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Works based on a copyright-free Mickey Mouse

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I don't think this subject passes WP:LISTN. Having a list of works featuring Mickey Mouse, but only versions of him adapted after 1 January 2024 is just very oddly specific. Every single entry on this list could easily be put into List of Mickey Mouse films and appearances. Di (they-them) (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matúš Turňa

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Another long-time stub of a Slovak footballer named Matúš, he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. My Google showed nothing better than brief mentions and routine coverage, including this one. I've checked corresponding articles in other Wikipedia languages but none of them provide significant coverage; the Slovak one has been tagged for notability issues since 2021 so it obviously will not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. Well, he was 35 in 2021 so probably retired. Over a 12-year career between 2009 and 2021 Turňa made close to 300 appearances in the Slovak First Football League, the first tier of Slovakian football which was fully professional in all of that time (Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues). I'd be surprised if there's no WP:SIGCOV; I'll have a look later. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is based on a guideline that has been abandoned following NSPORTS2022. The fact that someone has made over 100 appearances in a fully-professional league or senior national team is no longer supported. This article needs to actually meet WP:GNG in order for it to be kept. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I didn't state that their number of appearances was sufficient. Note how I didn't even write "keep" and how I said I'd look for SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matúš Turňa is still active player, currently only on an amateur level of football, playing for FK Podkonice in the 3rd tier of Slovak football. Recently, he played full match on 11 August 2024, source: https://sportnet.sme.sk/futbalnet/z/sfz/zapas/800573/#zostavy IQual (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep per previous commenter and some significant coverage found here. Lots of coverage here and there, and it's interesting to me that he was named the 10th best domestic signing during a particular transfer window. They would not name run-of-the-mill players in the top 10. Geschichte (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 14:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pan American Airways (disambiguation)

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Redundant disambiguation page. There is already a comprehensive dab page at Pan Am (disambiguation); this page instead only disambiguates between two articles which could be disambiguated via hatnote if necessary, or not at all, now that their leads have been clarified, and the relationship between the articles in question has been explained much more meaningfully there. --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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16th Artillery Brigade (Ukraine)

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Fails WP:GNG. Can't find any sources online, possibly redirect to National Guard of Ukraine? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 09:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559047920465), (https://www.ukrdruk.com/product/flag-00853/), (https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-ato/3888632-u-nacgvardii-stvorili-centr-upravlinna-bezpilotnih-sistem-komanduvac.html) Mgfdhsrhe (talk) 10:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] - gives short description, commander, where it's based from MUN number.
[2] - article about drone hunting group of brigade not receiving bonuses. 13:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Ceriy (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A brigade is clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a notability guideline which states that? LibStar (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly an opinion based on the much mocked (by deletionists, of course) WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please answer the question. Which notability guideline grants inherent notability to brigades? LibStar (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your tone is most unlike any admin I've encountered. LibStar (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. First artillery brigade of the National Guard. [3] Ceriy (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mangalyam (2022 film)

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Simple fails WP:NFILM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Elder Scrolls (disambiguation)

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There's nothing to disambiguate. The series page is the only article that can be referred to as simply "The Elder Scrolls" or "Elder Scrolls". This so called disambiguation page is basically a duplicate of List of The Elder Scrolls video games. Mika1h (talk) 10:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree fully with the nomination: "nothing to disambiguate". Athel cb (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing to disambiguate: The games here aren't identically named. Their subtitle is also intrinsically part of their name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Pondicherry Premier League

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Don't need separate season article for this local league, where none of the players are notable. This season article fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 UP T20 League

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Do not need individual season articles for this tournament, as its individual seasons don't generate enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. All content can be handled in parent article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related page for the 2023 season:

Adam Gaži

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I cannot find any significant coverage of this young Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. In terms on sources that are not database or match reports, I only found an interview on AktualitySK, while the rest are passing mentions in squad list. This might be the case of WP:TOOSOON. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jana Jones

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WP:notability, Wikipedia:Notability (academics) Fails notability criteria, WP:notability and Notability for academics criteria Wikipedia:Notability (academics) Anubus13 (talk) 09:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose What is the evidence that she was not notable? static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 11:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Drum Corps International World Championship finalists

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I don’t know what to make of this. WP:NOTADATABASE. Hodgepodge of unsourced statistics. MOS:ACCESS violations that I don’t even know how to begin to address. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. -- Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kashmir Black Day

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Appears like 2 articles exist for same context. Jammu and Kashmir Black Day. Why do we need 2 articles on same issue? Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amir Tafa

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Previously PROD deleted so no longer eligible this time but notability is still a massive concern. I can find nothing to support a passing of WP:GNG nor WP:SPORTBASIC. The best that I can find is a mention of an injury in a Panorama report and a brief mention of a transfer. This is trivial coverage and not significant. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Shivamogga explosion

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I created this article when I wasn't too solid with GNG or WP:EVENT. Sincere respects to the 8 dead, but this was a relatively minor incident with no lasting coverage and not much depth. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 07:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marko Levishyn

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, lacks WP:SIGCOV as the sources is just databases Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep rode in the Speedway World Cup, the pinnacle of speedway Pyeongchang (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I support Pyeongchang's assertion that the SWC is "the pinnacle of speedway". We allow bios of sports that is the pinnacle of sport, so why can't this? SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...or I say userfy for future notabiity since he is young and plenty to go. This nom maybe is a bio thus presumably different but I'll use this as an argument. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This added source is just a 1 sentence mention of Levishyn and not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom. The sources barely mention the subject and SIGCOV not present. Need more sources with in depth coverage, not passing mentions in the table. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case

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WP:NOTNEWS, though the subsequent protest may deserve an article of their own. Aydo h8^[contribs] 06:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: WP:GNG, This article is about the case of brutal rape and murder of a doctor in Kolkata, after which public protest has been going on for more than a week in India. It still continues in cities and hospitals in India News [4][5][6][7][8] [9][10][11][12][13] Spworld2 (talk) Spworld2 (talk) 07:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Spworld2 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Those sources are related to the protests not to the actual murder itself, as it does not inherit notability from the protests. You could go ahead an make an article about the protests themselves. Aydo h8^[contribs] 07:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Article is also poorly written, with incomplete sentences and many mistakes. 🔥Jala peño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 10:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article's current content is not relevant to this discussion. This *local* event has led to a *national* doctors' strike with *international* attention, satisfies WP:NEVENT. Title may well need changing, but the event is notable and having significant flow on effects. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Swedish detainees at Guantanamo Bay

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Also nominating the following articles for the same reason:

Fails WP:NLIST. One of 20+ extraneous articles created by now-WP:CBANed user Geo Swan, unnecessarily breaking out the List of Guantanamo Bay detainees into country-by-country counts. The large list includes detainees' nationalities. If separating by nationality is necessary, the chart on that page can be reformatted to enable such an examination. What this has led to is pages of various encyclopedic quality and accuracy, when maintaining one article, out of date in its own right, is more than enough. Longhornsg (talk) 04:10, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Should we be deleting all of the nation lists on the Template:Guantanamo Bay Detainees? If not, why these particular ones? (I'm likely supporting deletion, just trying to understand the situation.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 07:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that any list with only one entry should be a redirect to an article on the individual. AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the rest should be added to AfD. Longhornsg (talk) 07:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep, the nominated articles are very different from each other (Danish and Swedish has one entry each, Afghan states there have been over 200). AlexandraAVX (talk) 07:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, somewhat for the OP's concerns, somewhat for WP:BLPCRIME issues. I realize it's a broad interpretation, but these are lists of people who have been imprisoned by a government for doing something the government deems wrong, and generally have not faced a trial and conviction. Looking at the lists, there are a lot of non-linked names and red-linked names, and many of those that are blue-linked, their page is just about the fact that they were so imprisoned, so these qualify as otherwise-not-notable folks. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all Duplicates main page, where I've combined the letter tables so the sorting works. No, these pages are not different from each other, they are all redundant to the main article and none are needed separately. Reywas92^Talk 17:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all to one list. Guantanamo being Guantanamo I would argue that a list of all inmates is potentially encyclopedic but I don't see why we would need it to split it into multiple articles. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete List of Swedish detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Belgian detainees at Guantanamo Bay, List of Danish detainees at Guantanamo Bay, and List of Mauritanian detainees at Guantanamo Bay here as WP:NLIST violations, having fewer than a handful doesn't qualify you for a whole list, if the subject is notable bring it up there and if they're not List of Guantanamo Bay detainees is that way. Break out List of Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay into its own AfD, with over 200 detainees that's a whole separate issue worth examining and per AlexandraAVX should be discussed separately. Bestagon ⬡ 21:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Wind (band)

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Discovered page after the South Korean boy group of the same name. [1] and [2] don’t work. The only sources are a mention of the band and an interview, don’t see a reason to be kept. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Together Under One Sun

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Both the slogan and the event lack notability. There are barely any sources. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, it would probably be better to have the article moved to '20th anniversary celebrations of the independence of the Republic of Macedonia'. The event seems notable in its own right. --Soman (talk) 11:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of Denmark, Ottawa

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Article merely confirms it exists. No third party sources to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Norsk ordbok (Riksmål)

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I could not find anything about this dictionary, but it is admittedly in Norwegian and my source searching may have been impaired by that. There are a decent amount of non-sigcov hits for a dictionary which makes me suspect there is something I am unable to find, particularly due to the language thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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La sangre sobre la tierra

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Found no significant coverage on this book. Redirect to author Alejandro Carrión? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryuichi Sakamoto. Conversazioni

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I found a few passing mentions here and here but no sigcov. There is something here; it's in Japanese and I do not understand it but it does not look like sigcov either.

Redirect to author Massimo Milano? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Not sure why this was brought to AfD, since the page was clearly not suitable for mainspace. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

House of Habsburg-Laufenburg

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Wibbit23 (talk) 02:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated for failing WP:GNG. The current article has no refences listed, however that could be solved by incubating to the draftspace. The reason for deletion is that the resulting google searches on the subject do not return any non-trivial WP:RS. Therefore, this would not be a notable subject and should not be included in the namespace. Wibbit23 (talk) 02:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Clue (information)

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As an article for concept of a clue, I don't really like. For a simple concept, it is as dull as an article for the concept of quality, say for, which there is not because that page is just a disambiguation page. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary may provide explanations on how to improve this article, but I'm focused on deleting it. So, what do you think? QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This type of article is known as a broad-concept article and they can often be hard to write without looking like dictionary definitions. Theoretically there probably should be another broad-concept article at Quality, but there isn't. Since this is such a common term, I don't see how this wouldn't meet GNG. C F A 💬 04:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article defines or gives examples of 1) the concept (information), 2) its different values (share/give/pay), 3) how it is relayed (discovered/shared), 4) its mechanic (ludeme/cheat), 5) its format (straight/cryptic/riddles/contradictions) 6) its etymology. All of this can eventually be expanded and more concrete exemples can be added. "clue" may seem to be a simple concept, but the article shows there are many aspects to it that may not seem obvious at first glance. Writing something that is obvious (or "dull") is because what is obvious to one reader may be a valuable insight to another. As stated in Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Major_differences, Wiktionary entries are about words themselves, while Wikipedia entries are articles about what words denote. This article falls into the latter category. --Bensin (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Obvious failure of WP:NOTDICTIONARY. The article fails to demonstrate it can stand on its own as a broad concept article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary, the following are dictionary entries:

1) Definitions ("contain nothing more than a definition") – No. The article also contains use, value, form, and examples. It also has a well sourced section on context clues.

2) Dictionary entries – No. "Encyclopedia articles are about [...] a concept", which is the case here.

3) Usage, slang, or idiom guides – No. "Clue" is not a slang term.

Please explain in what way you think the article fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY. --Bensin (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It fails (1) since it's nothing more than a couple of definitions, with the rest being WP:OR. Where are the sources on clues as a concept? If there were even a single one there, I might think differently. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is more than definitions, as I listed in my previous response. Yes, I have had difficulties finding sources for clues in games, possibly because most of it is common knowledge. I'll try and find some. Is there a particular statement that you believe to be untrue? However, the section about context clues is well sourced. --Bensin (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added three book sources for the section about clues in games. --Bensin (talk) 17:07, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all of the sources being other dictionary entries tells you what you need to know.

The article also contains use, value, form, and examples those things are very typical of what you'd find in a dictionary, the corresponding wikitionary entry has all of those things. in fact usage guides are specifcally mentioned in point #3 that Bensin quoted above as being characteristic of a dictionary entry.

It also has a well sourced section on context clues that is just another dictionary definition of a related term - having two dictionary definitions doesn't mean the article fails NOTDICTIONARY any less. -- D'n'B-t -- 10:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources for context clues are dictionary entries. Those sources are articles that support the facts in the article.

Can you quote the part of the wikitionary entry that contains how clues (not the word clue) are used, their value, or their form? The wikipedia article is about what the word denotes, not about the word itself. --Bensin (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is also not in this article, save for few lines of OR. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is not in the article? What is unsourced original research? --Bensin (talk) 17:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This doesn't seem to be a broad-concept article, so much as a WP:CHIMERA article instead. I'm looking at the examples given at WP:BCA, and I just don't see this coming even close to any of them. Take the example of "particle" there (in physics). There's a core concept that all particles share that can be written about encyclopedically, as a broad topic. But the only thing that's common here is "a clue is something which hints at further knowledge". That's it, and that's merely a DICDEF, which isn't suitable for an entry here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For WP:BCA there is a section "Common aspects of sports and games" which lists the article Dead ball. Would you call that article a chimera too? --Bensin (talk) 15:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a point to make, I fail to see it. You're pushing well into WP:BLUDGEONing territory here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not an answer to the question in my post. --Bensin (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m leaning keep as a this could be a start to something much better. Bearian (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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These changes have been made since the article was nominated for deletion. In short: 9 sources have been added, sturcture has improved with sections, three new sections have been added: "Context clues", "Clue words", and "See also". --Bensin (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep (Uncertain, considering a redirect to Inference or similar instead) - The historian and semiotician Carlo Ginzburg refers to "conjectural disciplines",^[1] comparing the use of clues for making conjectures to the use of symptoms for making diagnoses. (Although, this type of theorizing seems more appropriate to include in Forensic science or Conjecture.) Dascal and Weizman (who appear to be some kind of philosophy-adjacent linguists?) proposed "a model of contextual information required for the interpretation of speaker's meaning in written texts. We have further differentiated between context when used for the determination of utterance meaning and speaker's meaning (- as a clue) and for the detection of gaps and mismatch (- as a cue)."^[2] Literary historian Franco Moretti writes of clues as a literary device and a historical trend in detective fiction (e.g. ^[3], where he cites historians, literary critics, philosophers, and psychologists all writing about clues!). All of the above are at least moderately cited. All of this is to say: trivially, the concept of a clue meets WP:GNG (and I think is clearly distinct from something like evidence). Should all of the above conceptual work be discussed on a page called Clue (information)? I'm a little skeptical of that. But I think it serves readers better to keep the article for the moment. WP:CHIMERA seems to suggest we create e.g. Clues in detective fiction, Epistemology of conjecture, and Context clue as separate articles, all linked from Clue.

A tangential comment: the disambiguation page Hint links to Clue (information) as the first entry. In education, there's a huge body of work on hints (what makes a good hint, how to create good hints, when and how to give hints, etc.) I don't think that "hints" as a concept should live on a page called "clue", so it should probably be a mission for a future editor to create Hint (education). Suriname0 (talk) 20:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - even in its improved form, this article is not much more than a definition with subsections of several different concepts that don't really have that much in common besides their all fitting under the extremely loose overarching definition of a "clue". This would be like having an article for Object where the philosophical definition, the notion as used in programming, and an astronomical object are all subsections under a lead which gives the dictionary definition. The stuff Suriname0 talks about seems interesting but probably deserves its own article separate from this. ― novov (t c) 05:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Clues, Myths and the Historical Method. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. 1989. ISBN 0-8018-4388-X.
^ Weizman, Elda; Dascal, Marcelo (1991-01-01). "ON CLUES AND CUES: STRATEGIES OF TEXT-UNDERSTANDING". Journal of Literary Semantics. 20 (1): 18–30. doi:10.1515/jlse.1991.20.1.18. ISSN 1613-3838.
^ Moretti, Franco (2000). "The Slaughterhouse of Literature". MLQ: Modern Language Quarterly. 61 (1): 207–227. ISSN 1527-1943.

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Islamic Commercial Law

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I added three sources to this article, as it had previously been unsourced for 19 years, but I don't think any are helpful for notability. The first merely says that the book was published and what it was about, the second is a book that cites the book and summarizes its arguments, and the third is a review from a British politician's personal website which would be useful however owing to its self published nature is probably not countable for notability. Nothing that actually discusses the book, not enough for WP:NBOOK.

It is frustrating that this book appears to be non-notable, as it appears to be very highly cited (confounding my effort to find discussion of it). Redirect to Mohammad Hashim Kamali? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Crossed square cupola

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No sources are mentioned about the crossed square cupola. It is merely an exhibition and the problem of arranging images had already been discussed in WT:WPM. Also, many related articles on those tables, I suppose, does not have any sources. That being said, I think they could possibly be deleted together in here, but sadly this is for one article only. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and redirect to Cupola (geometry) § Star-cupolae. Part of an infinite family of such shapes with no evidence of independent individual notability. If it had occurred to me to initiate deletion proceedings on this I would have tried WP:BLAR first, but apparently that was already tried unsuccessfully ten years ago. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Man or bear

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Notability; Wikipedia is not Know Your Meme, and not every Twitter drama or meme can have its own Wikipedia page. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I won't cast an actual !vote because I found this AfD through an off-wiki discussion but... really, notability? The references in the article include extensive coverage from several major news organizations. A GNG pass with flying colors from what I can see. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:SUSTAINED. All the media articles are from within a timespan of a few weeks or months. Nobody's going to remember this meme a year from now. Hell, people barely remember it already. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, WP:GNG clearly isn't a concern here considering how much sourcing is available, and we can't exactly predict whether the meme will remain popular or not. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we have to predict much; almost all the sources are from late April to early May. The meme's already long since died. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Thailand women's national under-18 softball team

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The subject does not meet the WP:NTEAM or WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage. The only sources in the article are primary and a cursory search didn't reveal anything that would establish notability. Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WSJX-LP

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Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Rumal

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Low quality article about a relatively non notable event with limited coverage within sources. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - from a quick glance at Google books there are various mentions of this battle. Notability is not temporary, so if it was notable at the time it is enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. AfD is not the place to raise quality concerns. --Soman (talk) 10:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman None of the sources have any WP:SIGCOV significant coverage of the topic. This seems like it would be better suited for a consolidated page like Hill States-Sikh wars. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- This all references incline in this article are more than sufficient with solidarity sourced apparently this article don’t need any kind of insertion 2402:8100:217A:E8B4:ADBA:BB28:A502:E613 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closer: I am a frequent recipient of harassment and targeting by an incredibly pertinacious sockmaster-[14] who created more than a dozen burner accounts in just the past year solely to target me. His socks most recently targeted my AFDs and PRODs- [15] and [16] and [17] and [18]. The most recent examples are this- in which his IP/proxy removed my PROD on the article Katoch-Sikh war, 2 admins have stated that this was almost certainly HB block evading- [19] + [20]. He has also employed meat puppetry to target AFDs and PRODs. Note that this IP also created a draft for Katoch-Sikh war, the same page HB's sock targeted, very heavily indicating sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry at play here. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also the IP has the exact same writing style as HB. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Sorry what, It upon their own determination rather He isSockpuppet or intruder but definitely non of your expedition but suspiciously why did you creating pointless arguments you don't have any right to blast decretory statement on someone else you might face some serious consequences for such speculation @Southasianhistorian8 MasterofRepulse (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Newly created account creating same articles that were AFDed and successfully deleted by me-[21] + [22]. Thanks. Will be taking to SPI or AN. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: In addition to very obviously being HB's sock/meatpuppet, you can see the IP and the account are clearly operated by the same person since they both submitted their drafts (Battle of Rori Sahib, Battle of Ambala, and Katoch Sikh war) minutes apart from each other-[23] + [24]. At the very very least, these votes should be accorded zero weight and obviously proves my point of a sock/meat campaign to target AFDs/reinstate articles which aggrandize their religion. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to bother you but how regressively your oppressing other on behalf of their religion with propagating your pathetic statement you need to be calm down sir for our both MasterofRepulse (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Bajrur

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Low quality article about a non notable event with limited coverage within sources + the third ref does not contain a link to a book whose content can be verified. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looking at the sources (you can search within the third and see the lone sentence mentioning Bajrur) none call this the "Battle of Bajrur". It appears to have been a military action that doesn't even warrant a full paragraph's mention in any of the sources. The sourcing doesn't seem to be there for calling it a named battle, or retaining a Wikipedia article. --Here2rewrite (talk) 12:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yehuda Glantz

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No indication this meets WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:BASIC. Can only find trivial mentions. C F A 💬 01:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Clues, Myths and the Historical Method. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. 1989. ISBN 0-8018-4388-X.

[2] Weizman, Elda; Dascal, Marcelo (1991-01-01). "ON CLUES AND CUES: STRATEGIES OF TEXT-UNDERSTANDING". Journal of Literary Semantics. 20 (1): 18–30. doi:10.1515/jlse.1991.20.1.18. ISSN 1613-3838.

[3] Moretti, Franco (2000). "The Slaughterhouse of Literature". MLQ: Modern Language Quarterly. 61 (1): 207–227. ISSN 1527-1943.

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