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Imre Vallyon[edit]

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I'm nominating this page for deletion again because the initial discussion lacked sufficient engagement and the sources provided were inadequate in both quality and quantity. There's a notable absence of substantial coverage of Imre Vallyon, his work, or his organisation in multiple reliable secondary sources. Meeting notability criteria typically requires presenting at least three such sources. The article from Stuff, while primarily focused on his legal issues, appears to be the only source that meets these criteria. Without it, the page is mostly information sourced by primary sources and a list of his self published books and ebooks.

In terms of Vallyon's notability as a writer, the two book reviews presented by Oaktree b in the previous discussion are clearly poor sources, as they seem to be paid content from freelance writers on unreliable websites. Additionally, Vallyon does not meet the criteria for notability as a criminal according to Wikipedia guidelines on crime perpetrators, despite the only significant coverage of him focusing on his legal issues. His organisation, FHL, does not seem to meet the notability standards either. Ynsfial (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emperor Geezy[edit]

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This fails WP:NCREATIVE, and overall, WP:GNG based on WP:SIGCOV and WP:MILL. The award they won is not significant enough to help them pass, if they had 'won' their 'nomination's, that would be a different case, just merely being nominated at NEA isn't significant enough. The noms are unsourced while the piece the award they won is sourced to is an unreliable one from a marginally reliable publication (WP:NGRS). Taking a close look at the sources, they are mostly WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and unreliable pieces and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. I am skeptical about the notability of G-Worldwide Entertainment itself. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: winning a non-notable award isn't notable, the rest of the sources are puffy entertainment/lifestyle sources, not really helping notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manish Doshi[edit]

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Article is a WP:PROMO, fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:BIO. Renomination reason: sock puppet activity in the prior AfD discussion, also six months have passed since the last AfD. Charlie (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hatim Zaghloul[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (academics), and the article is written in a promotional and advertising tone, and lacks neutrality. فيصل (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Lacks the independent sourcing required to demonstrate notability. - MrOllie (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Ventrella[edit]

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Fails WP: N. The sourcing on the article is almost entirely primary, and what secondary sources do exist are either not independent or do not cover the subject in depth. I also couldn't find any sources to establish notability either, unfortunately. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete. There are a lot of almost but not quite bits here. I found this on the academic deletion sorting list but he appears not to be primarily an academic and although he has one workshop publication with triple-digit citations [1] the rest do not give him a strong enough citation record for WP:PROF#C1. He has one book, Virtual Body Language, for which I didn't find any reviews; I would need multiple reviews of multiple books to consider notability through WP:AUTHOR. The article as nominated contains no WP:GNG-passing sources. The best I found in my searches was [2], a local newspaper story from 2015 about a startup he founded with some depth of coverage of Ventrella himself. I did also find one group work in MoMA that he contributed to, not enough by itself for WP:ARTIST. We could consider a redirect, if we had a viable redirect target, but neither There (virtual world) nor Gene Pool (software) currently look viable to me. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The AfD from 2007 actually got it (mostly) right, there was no coverage about the individual despite hundreds of hits... In the almost 20 yrs since, I can only find primary sourcing or a few social media sites. Source 21 in the article is the only RS, the rest aren't anything we'd use to build an article with. Oaktree b (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khan Sir[edit]

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This stub about an Internet personality whose channel is education based was recently accepted at AFC. I believe it to be a borderline acceptance, which is fine of itself. AFC reviewers role is to accept drafts which they believe have a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. As a fellow AFC reviewer I believe that the subject is not verified to pass WP:BIO, and that the draft was below the acceptance threshold. On that basis I would not have accepted it. The referencing is independent, yes, but the content of the references is gossip column-like trivia, which simulates significant coverage, but which is not. I see the only way of resolving this is for the community to discuss it, hence AfD 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: I am not going to vote here since my stance is clear, as I accepted the draft. At the time I saw the draft, it was not passing GNG, but I know the personality well and thought he might already have a Wikipedia article. When I found out he did not, I started to find significant coverages and added many that are currently cited. I respect Timtrent’s judgment, and we already discussed it on my talk page. We would like to get the community's views on the article. Lastly, I want to add that if the article can’t be kept, we can draftify it, as it has good sourcing, and the subject may gain more coverage to establish notability in the future. Happy editing. GrabUp - Talk 13:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Draftification is a perfectly acceptable outcome to me as nominator. I ought to have said that in the nomination. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep per WP:DONOTDEMOLISH - Subject has a reasonable claim to notability, and I don't see what draftifying would accomplish. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 18:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Obaseki[edit]

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Article on non notable lawyer who has received neither significant nor trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources. All of the 20 sources cited are primary sources and are unreliable. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tolu Okojie[edit]

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Non notable chef that fails WP:GNG and WP:Basic. Has received minimal media coverage in reliable media. Only three notable media articles about him exist and of the three, one is interview [3] which does not count for notability leaving only two which is still below minimum requirement for WP:BLP. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Doe (whistleblower)[edit]

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I 'WP:BOLDly redirected this to Panama Papers, however was reverted by an IP claiming that the redirect was odd given that no consensus had been obtained on either talk page. The subject has no independent notability outside of their role in the release of the panama papers. I'm not sure if this quite fits into WP:BLP1E given that the subject is anonymous and we don't know if they are still on this planet or not, however it certainly fits into the spirit of that policy given that the subject's notability is only understood insofar as they leaked the panama papers. Material about the subject is already covered in Panama Papers so there is no need for a merge and I am seeking community consensus that the redirect be restored. TarnishedPath^talk 02:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect Basically what TarnishedPath said, but Subject is not WP:NOTABILITY enough, and the stuff in this article is already stated in both the opening paragraphs and the Newsroom logistics of the Panama Papers article, so I believe this is a fair redirect. Sharrdx (talk) 03:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per nom. Mccapra (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom. We don't know enough about John Doe to fill him out independently of Panama Papers Bluethricecreamman (talk) 16:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect but also consider this as a merger as the information is already in the target article. I think this meets not only WP:BLP1E, but also WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE. This person seeks to be a low profile individual and remain anonymous so there is little prospect of any biographical information. It makes sense to have all the information in one article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per nom. and others. A case of WP:BLP1E. Sal2100 (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antslive[edit]

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Not notable musical artist. Still has a long journey to get to notability MaximumRespect! MrFixer200 (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, seems like plenty of coverage: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] Geschichte (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Almost TOOSOON. Looks like he just became a musician in the last year or so... These are from a RS per Project Albums [10], [11], just not enough coverage yet to establish notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Geschichte, see also [12], [13]. If kept, it should be renamed to AntsLive. Wikishovel (talk) 05:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the RS coverage identified above, significant play on BBC national radio per [14]&[15]&[16], and nomination for a notable award per [17]. ResonantDis_tortion 18:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the multiple reliable sources significant coverage identified in this discussion. He also passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 8 for winning a notable award at the 2023 UK Music Video Awards and being nominated for another at the MOBO Awards, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ankit Kayal[edit]

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Not notable for a page. The sources are not reliable MaximumRespect! MrFixer200 (talk) 20:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 2409:4073:95:7E50:0:0:857:A8AC (talk) 20:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete A7, G11, G5, take your pick. It's spam for an unremarkable physician, by this week's sockpuppet of Btw Santhosh, and larded as usual with Santhosh's dire news-skinned blogs. Wikishovel (talk) 20:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi Wikishovel , please kindly check newly added References !! and please close Articles for deletion/Ankit Kayal if its meeting wiki guidelines द्वारा (talk) 11:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Clearly fails WP:GNG. Youknow? (talk) 07:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  kindly check https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5934280/ द्वारा (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  kindly check newly added References !! द्वारा (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails WP:GNG. No knocks against him, but he's not a notable physician, academic, or person. Ira Leviton (talk)

Keemokazi[edit]

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Nothing here to meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr. Bro[edit]

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I had double thoughts before finally agreeing that the notability of this article is very questionable. Firstly having many subscribers or views on YouTube doesnt credibly means the article is notable. There is nothing whatsoever credible about this article. There are some promotional contents in the article. For me, it doesnt meet WP:GNG, and such, I may decline in an AFC review. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep It looks like there are some decent references and he has over 2 million subscribers, but I think cleanup is needed to solidify notability here. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 15:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Aref Jalayeri[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree that the article does not show any information warranting nobility, nor do the sources. Coulomb1 (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But in parts of the article, the identity of this person is stated correctly. I know this person. He is active as mentioned in the article. Aref Jalayeri (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as written. Entirely dependent on below-par sources. BD2412 T 14:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You can wait a little until better sources are attached to this article. Aref Jalayeri (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Little to no independent coverage. Possible WP:PROMO. Aintabli (talk) 10:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Did not notice the above comments by "Aref Jalayeri". "Possible" would be an understatement. Aintabli (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emmymade[edit]

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Non notable article that doesnt meet WP:ENT. Sometimes celebrities may appear in trivial mentions, which doesnt mean they meet WP:SIRS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Draftify. The TechCrunch and Hollywood Reporter sources are the most passing of passing mentions. The Daily Dot piece is substantial, but smacks of churnalism. BD2412 T 14:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Maksud Agadjani[edit]

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Non notable promotional article. It doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom, and per absence of reliable sources. BD2412 T 14:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Oh dear. Hard delete. Mccapra (talk) 18:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete wildly promotional and does not pass WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ajagun Olusegun Peter[edit]

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NAUTHOR, or WP:GNG. No evidence of established notability. Sources are WP:ROTM and WP:ROUTINE coverages, some being dependent on the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Doesnt meet WP:NACADEMIC. Sources appears to be his appointment to a non notable organization in Abuja, Nigeria. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dokibird[edit]

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All the coverage in the article is from February 2024 when she left the entertainment company Nijisanji. Beyond that, I've found two reliable sources that do not cover this topic (Siliconera 1, Siliconera 2). Wikipedia's notability criteria discourages articles on people notable for only one event, which this article seems to cover. Most of the content featured in the article also seems to be a content fork of the article Nijisanji. I suggest deleting the article or turning it into a redirect to the Nijisanji article. ArcticSeeress (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indians in Luxembourg[edit]

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Fails GNG, 2 of the 3 sources are dead. The estimated population is very small at around 1000, and no significant coverage of their contribution to Luxembourg society. LibStar (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think we should consider renaming this to the Indian Association of Luxembourg.

There appears to be significant sourcing for that at least.

[18] [19] [20] Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K added a few sources, but still not convinced its quite notable. This article still has massive amounts of texts that are unsourced. As far as I can tell, its mostly been anon IPs adding random bits of info. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If nobody else can find useful sourcing, i'll vote Delete Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Willie XO[edit]

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Non notable musician. Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage. Majority of the references are just from mere blog talking about his music. It is also clearly written by the creator the subject paid for billboard advertising. This doesn’t even sound like a biography but a promotional work and majority of the contribution are from the creator suck puppet account https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Khabib Nurmagomedov&lang=en&q=Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mark_Yung_Chukwuebuka user:MarkIblog for reference. Gabriel (talk to me ) 09:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I don’t see how this passes WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Looks very promotional too without imparting any useful information. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. No chart activity or notable label work, the usual namedropping of famous artists in attempt to establish notability, and promotional-sounding sources. Never mind the horribly written article with all proper names in lowercase. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I can't see how his music comfort you made itself notable before raising the artist to prominence, promotionally raising a music to stream 20m views on YouTube. The sources sounds advertorial —announcement of new album/release. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Oke[edit]

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Non notable chef. All sources in the article are primary and the only credible source which is a BBC report mentions the subject in passing. Before search did not yield anything useful. Ednabrenze (talk) 09:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails WP:BASIC - Nothing notable. Tells us his background, but only three sentences on his career. — Maile (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not enough coverage to meet notability.... I found this [21], but it's an interview. Just not enough out there we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Chef? Barely sourced BLP that doesn't meet WP:GNG. The sources are all unreliable per WP:RS. Are chefs notable? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keji Giwa[edit]

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Business person not eligible for an article. Media sources used in the article are from blogs which are unreliable. A before search brought press statements issued by their business entities with passing mention of them. others found are interviews written in news article formats which extensively quoted their onw words Ednabrenze (talk) 09:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I don’t see anything to suggest notability. Mccapra (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Promotional and blog sourced BLP. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwize[edit]

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Article about a non-notable rapper. Sources are passing mentions and nothing indepth on the subject. I don't see it satisfies WP:NMUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per both WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:NMUSIC. His only claim to fame is attached to Eminem, and that was 27 years ago. No notable discography or chart activity, and the titles of the citations in the article don't even mention the subject, but other rappers. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:NMUSIC. WP:NMUSIC states "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." Otherwize clearly meets 3 of the criteria: #1, #7, and #9.

  1. He has been featured in multiple documentaries (Where We're From and Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme), books (The Come Up, The Way I Am, King Khule, Born a Villain), and articles (HipHopDX, etc.). His prominence in the documentaries have nothing to do with Eminem, so they are not inherited notability.

  7. In Where We're From, Otherwize is cited as the most prominent battle rapper in his region (LA) during this era. That has nothing to do with Eminem, so it's not inherited notability.

  9. Otherwize won 1st Place and 3rd Place in major national music competitions (Rap Olympics '97 and Scribble Jam '99). Granted, one of those was defeating Eminem, but the other one was not, and they are still placings in national music competitions regardless of who he defeated. So this is not inherited notability.

  He is also part of a notable crew called Project Blowed, which is also a subject of documentaries (This is the Life and Hip-Hop Evolution). He featured on the important Los Angeles underground albums Beneath the Surface and Cater to the DJ. Hierarchitectitiptitoploftical (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ragib Shahriar Ankon[edit]

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Product of BLP1E. dxneo (talk) 14:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  I think there are significant coverages for this article of Ragib Shahriar Ankon (in Bangla, রাগীব শাহরিয়ার অংকন). Kindly review it again and remove the Article for deletion notice! Iamsthnahiyan (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Such Guinness World Records holders are ousted by others. If not ousted for decades, then we can have WP:SIGCOV. Seems BLP1E with WP:TOOSOON with no WP:GNG Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think there are significant coverages for this article of Ragib Shahriar Ankon (in Bangla, রাগীব শাহরিয়ার অংকন). Kindly review it again and remove the Article for deletion notice! Iamsthnahiyan (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, concurring with Twinkle1990. GWRs are able to be gamed with money, so it's an unreliable metric of achievement. SWinxy (talk) 01:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Ketterer[edit]

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Article about an obscure subject that does not seem to be notable outside of some (likely incorrect) mentions that he invented the cuckoo clock. I cannot find sufficient sourcing to improve the article. Mbdfar (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete: Most sources online are clock stores and blogs which are not reliable. There are quite a few hits on Google books that claim he did indeed invent the cuckoo clock, some written in in the 1800s, so I do not entirely believe it is a myth that has just propagated around the internet. The article is obviously WP:OR and WP:SYNTH; it would have to be rewritten and appropriately sourced. I believe the subject probably is notable if he did invent the cuckoo clock, I just don't think there's enough coverage to write an article claiming he did without WP:OR. With the coverage that I have found, the article would amount to nothing more than a short stub stating something like "Franz Ketterer was a German clockmaker who may have invented the cuckoo clock." If someone does look through Google books or elsewhere and finds even a bit more in-depth coverage, I will change my vote to keep. C F A 💬 02:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep Thanks to Cielquiparle for improving the article.

• Keep and keep improving. Article was in dismal shape so have performed WP:TNT and rewritten with citations. Meets WP:GNG although the article is more about the historiography rather than a biography per se (not uncommon, the further back in history you go). While not every history mystery is worthy of a Wikipedia article, this one is because the village of Schönwald and other entities continue to promote the Franz Ketterer story. Good article to have flagged for cleanup, now we can keep improving. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Messhof[edit]

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Fails notability for a biography. See talk page for prior discussion, I think anything relevant here is feasible to merge into the game articles. IgelRM (talk) 16:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Messhof is a single game dev, so the article passes the subject-specific notability criteria at WP:NARTIST. He "has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work". He has several independently notable games, and Ghost Bike is also likely to be notable upon release. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A "single game dev" exception seems arbitrary. What specifically, a collective body of work? I can see Nidhogg as a two part series but Ghostbike would appear independent and WP:TOOSOON. I would create a category with the game articles. IgelRM (talk) 13:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Looking for "Mark Essen" instead of "Messhof" I have found dozens of articles about how he has been one of the few game devs to be recognized as an artist by the art establishment with his games being placed in various art galleries. This also passes the criteria "The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Did Messhof get significant coverage at those exhibitions? "Recognition" would fit for Video games as an art form but I don't think they pass the criteria. IgelRM (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @IgelRM, the rule of thumb we typically use for creators is "two or more independently notable works". Basically, if there's only one notable work, we could easily add the biographical detail to that article rather than having a separate creator article. If there's more than one, or there's just so much coverage about both creator and work, then it makes more sense to have multiple authors. Since we have Nidhogg (video game), Nidhogg 2, and Flywrench, it's more convenient to have a separate article for the creator. -- asilvering (talk) 02:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  With that role of thumb, I think e.g. every game director at Nintendo would be notable. IgelRM (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Well, source 3 is two photos and captions, nothing extensive. Source 7 is mainly an interview with this person; rest used in the article are only mentions of this person... Oaktree b (talk) 22:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I don't find anything else about this person that isn't already in the article, and the sources aren't all about this person, or are trivial coverage. Just not enough to prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The subject's works are clearly the focus of multiple, reliable, independent sources, passing the general notability guideline as a creator. Our articles on his works (Nidhogg (video game), Flywrench, Nidhogg 2) each have sources covering his role in creating them. Additionally, reliable sources have also covered his other works not independently notable, such as Punishment 2[22] and Ghost Bike[23][24]. There is enough reliable source coverage of these other games that they wouldn't fit in an existing article and so the developer's own article is a natural place to cover them. czar 02:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Czar. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Pro forma note that Czar is the article creator. What I get out of the rockpapershotgun article is that Messhof created freeware games prior to Nidhogg with a similar aesthetic. IgelRM (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I also wrote the GA for Nidhogg (video game). Yes, the detail of those freeware games and the background on what became his most notable games are what justifies an independent article to house those details. czar 04:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah; I guess I am being bold here, you have more editing experience than me. Right now, the details are basically only the game names, not even release years.

Edit: Hhm, if it wasn't structured as a bio and incorporated Flywrench, maybe it would make sense to me. IgelRM (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, as a WP:NARTIST pass, see my reply to IgelRM above. -- asilvering (talk) 02:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agastya Nanda[edit]

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Notability is not inherited–being a member of a notable family is not an exception, infact, it is the true definition. Having asserted above, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR because he only started in one or two films, and not multiple. Infact, most of the sources were about the family, and not this young actor. In regards to that, there is more to draftifying and marking as promised because this is a clear issue of WP:TOOSOON. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Nikhil_Nanda#Personal_life: mentioned there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom, fails WP:ACTOR also WP:GNG. Youknow? (talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alexander Heid[edit]

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References, when reliable, do not provide significant coverage of the subject to meet WP:BASIC.

• Rolling Stone primarily covers HackMiami, mentions Heid in passing as an organizer of the event.
• Financial Times quotes Heid in relation to the 2017 Equifax data breach.
• Ars Technica doesn't mention Heid in the article at all. Brandon (talk) 05:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep, seems to meet WP:GNG per these two sources [25][26] which give sigcov but are not cited in the article. The RollingStone could also be of support because the subject is mentioned in at least three paragraphs. But almost all sources cited in the page fail notability requirement as the subject received zero mentions. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Ashmalee[edit]

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This subject fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:Notability (people)/Subnational politicians for the Maldives. Generally, ministers (and subordinates) there are not presumed notable. Otherwise, independent sources lack in-depth coverage on which to base an encyclopedic biography. JFHJr (㊟) 03:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: Cabinet ministers are generally presumed notable via WP:NPOL as national officeholder; is this ministerial position a cabinet position or is it a civil service one? Curbon7 (talk) 04:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Looks to be civil service (appointed bureaucrat, no mention of cabinet or the like). A presumption of notability does not apply here per the subnational politicians country listing for the Maldives. JFHJr (㊟) 15:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haliey Welch[edit]

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Latest viral meme, very WP:BIO1E. WP:TOOSOON to tell if this is lasting. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Draft: I guess, this is likely TOOSOON, but it's got decent enough sourcing. Time will tell if it's notable or not. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am amenable to this WP:ATD. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why did you copy my draft? I created this page first User:UtherSRG Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry confused you with User:BullDawg2021 Comintell (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I created the draft first Comintell (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry about that. I had no idea that you also created a draft. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Draftify per nom - WP:BIO1E, but possible WP:TOOSOON. KylieTastic (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I created this article first and it's already in drafts and was submitted to AfC. Edit history proves I created the draft first. It's current in draft space. user basically copied my draft Comintell (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As Comintell did create first at the article is now a copy-paste of that draft Draftify no longer makes any sense. Also I agree if kept it should be as "Hawk Tuah" not Hailey/Haliey Welch, and as BullDawg2021 has accepted Comintell as the creator it would be best to delete this as move Draft:Hailey Welch to Hawk Tuah to keep creator attribution. KylieTastic (talk) 09:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Her name is Hailey Welch, and I created this page fitst and submitted through AfC. Draft:Hailey Welch

The user paraphrased much of my draft, and changed the name because my draft already existed. THIS is incredibly disingenuous.

To clarify. If you read my draft, I think you will see that Welch DOES qualify for notability, specifically because of sustained significant coverage over the last month, and her pivioting into a career and getting mentored by Shaq. I can't believe this UtherSRG basically copied my draft and moved it to mainspace with a spelling error in the name Comintell (talk) 18:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super suspicious that this article says "Often misspelled as Hailey Welch" When All reliable sources cite her name to be Hailey Welch Comintell (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please go to her social medias. Her name is Haliey Welch. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Rdirect or merge: to Draft:Hailey_Welch: I created this page first. Technically this qualifies as speedy delete under WP:A10 Comintell (talk) 19:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As can be seen by the edit history on this article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haliey_Welch&action=history the page was created 13 minutes after I created the inital draft:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hailey_Welch&action=history Comintell (talk) 19:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please assume good faith. I had no idea you created a draft. Also, you spelt her name wrong. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Where is your source for this? My article was much more detailed. You literally copied the same flow of facts as I did. What source spells her name this way. Every single reliable source says her name is Hailey. Sure I will assume good faith, but you shouldn't have been permitted to create this article Comintell (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please calm down. Her name is Haliey Welch. You are blowing this way out of proportion. I did not copy you. BullDawg2021 (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  To the both of you: there are established procedures in place to preserve the page histories and authorial credits. If this article is kept and you continue the article improvement process, both of you should receive the appropriate credits for things like DYK, etc. I suggest you put aside your differences and work together, not against each other. Viriditas (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Comintell and BullDawg2021: Both of you need to stop edit-warring on this article. jp×g🗯️ 06:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Absurd as it may seem, the phenomenon has started to gather coverage in reliable sources and move from mere Tiktok gag into a Let's Go Brandon-style cultural moment. Here's eg Slate, 7News, Rolling Stone. That said, this likely belongs under Hawk Tuah, not under Ms Welch's name. Jpatokal (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Keep per Jpatokal, or redirect to either Zach Bryan or Shaquille O'Neal. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please see my comment in the discussion Comintell (talk) 22:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply - @Comintell:, come again? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Even if the meme is receiving media coverage, one single TikTok meme is hardly enough to provide notability for a person. WP:1E comes to mind as this person really has no other claims to notability. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Draftify: There is not only the fact that the nominator is correct, there are two "competing" drafts, both containing overlapping information. Since it is WP:TOOSOON both draft creators should work together in Draft space to create one draft which may become appropriate to accept when the subject meets WP:BIO which I am not persuaded thsat it does currently 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I wouldn't be opposed to that. BullDawg2021 (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yea, @BullDawg2021 I'm sorry that I got so protective and frustrated. Even assuming good faith, this was a frustrating experience for me and I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive or un collaborative. Comintell (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment on the purely clerical issue here: there seem to be two pages here, Draft:Hailey Welch (created 2024-07-02T20:47:03) and Haliey Welch (created 2024-07-02T21:54:54‎). The overlap between both articles is fairly significant. I don't know to what extent one was copied from the other, but it seems like this may be worthy of later consideration in some other venue (assuming this is kept, otherwise there is no point). jp×g🗯️ 06:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Notable for making a joke on a street interview? This is the epitome of people notable for only one event. It's possible the event (the joke itself (Hawk Tuah)) is notable, though even that is too soon to tell imo. ato—mic 06:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Reminder: There are two issues at play here, whether the "Hawk Tuah" event meets WP:GNG (based on the amount of reliable sources garnered, probably yes) and whether Ms. Welch herself is notable (probably no, it's hard to dispute that this is WP:BIO1E). If you're suggesting that this article be deleted entirely, please clarify your stance on both these points. Jpatokal (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:BIO1E Celjski Grad (talk) 09:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Creating an article for the notable controversy or Hawk Tuah event will solve this problem. Clearly, this is a problem of WP:TOOSOON for the subject, as well as WP:BIO1E. In such a situation, there is only one way out–having an article about the popular word, "Hawk Tuah", and the influencer (not yet meeting WP:ENT) will redirect to the article. We don't need to argue on an article and a existing draft; it isn't necessary here. Who can/will create the event's article, and save us this stress? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with this. The person herself obviously falls under WP:TOOSOON (WP:1E), but an article about the phenomenon/trend is much more suitable. There's definitely enough coverage in WP:RS for this. I think a lot of people voting delete here are simply saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Many TikTok trends (no exception here) do receive lots of reliable media coverage and do meet WP:NEVENT/GNG. I hope editors start to realize this — it's not 2010 anymore. C F A 💬 01:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  2010? Hilarious. "Every generation thinks they invented sex". I created the article on Pinky the Cat a viral video from 1992. Viriditas (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Comintell, why not create the event with this energy of dragging having your draft and a post mainspace move by another editor? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Of course it is notable. Publish the story, under EITHER title to eventually be personalized if she becomes more famous. Thank you, either way likely a Hawk Tuah page is indeed coming to Wikipedia, especially if this story expands further. Thanks again, can't wait to see the page that IS coming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.137.161 (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Article is well-cited, subject is notable. I get that memes are not the most encyclopedic topic, but this one definitely meets the criteria at WP:SIGCOV. 162 etc. (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There is nothing notable about this subject. I watched the original video, the interview, and read the sources. There is literally nothing there. Her entire claim to fame consists of expressing her enthusiasm for fellatio. That's it, nothing else. I watched her entire interview that was published the other day, hoping for something, anything, that I could glom onto and say, that's something we should have an article about. There's nothing. She likes to use saliva as lubrication during oral sex. That's the entirety of her notability. Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, and she seems like a very sweet young lady, but how do we write a biography about this? We can't. Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The criteria for deciding notability is WP:GNG, not WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Jpatokal (talk) 21:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I didn't say I didn't like it. I said there's nothing encyclopedic about the subject. The entire article is a promotional advertising campaign for Welch by her management team who are trying to capitalize on a five second joke she told on social media. This has the longevity of a mayfly. She isn't notable for doing anything. Yes, the video went viral, but Welch was only one of a dozen random subjects interviewed by Tim & Dee TV, which itself isn't even notable. There's nothing here. Nobody will know who she is next week. Viriditas (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The articles written about her by The Guardian, Vanity Fair, People, Forbes, etc. etc., will certainly still be there next week. A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. 162 etc. (talk) 22:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Warhol was right: "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." Welch even alludes to that in the Guardian article. There's nothing here to write about. "Haliey Welch is a young woman who was randomly interviewed in the middle of the street and made a joke about fellatio. A video of her went viral, and she was soon approached by an agent who sought to capitalize upon her sexual-themed joke by making clothing with her name on it." That's what we're doing now? Viriditas (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  All of this coverage calls her 'Hawk Tuah Girl'. Unless she starts a show, becomes a musician, etc, and receives coverage unrelated to Hawk Tuah, this is WP:1E ato—mic 23:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Viriditas's prediction "Nobody will know who she is next week" (above) is commendably free of hedging, obscurantism, waffle. Let this AfD run on until next week, and then reconsider. The article will then live or die; either way, this AfD (with its miscellaneous expressions of indignation) will survive "for ever". -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I want a "like" button, @Hoary!!! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The early filmmakers of the 20th century and the former journalists of MTV News would like a word. The topic of media preservation is one of the most depressing ever. Nothing lasts, everything fades away. Consider, if you will, the Silurian hypothesis. In the far future, nobody will ever know you or I existed. People like to think they are making their lasting mark on the world, but it's a bedtime story we tell ourselves to keep the terror of the dark at bay. Viriditas (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. We've kind of got two subjects there: 1) Haliey Welch and 2) the Hawk Tuah meme. There's already a lot of good coverage and it's highly likely coverage of one or both will be lasting. There's something notable here. Similar memes and figures that come to mind are The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger and Jenn Sterger. Tiffany Gomes, aka the "Crazy Plane Lady", is still getting coverage a year after her initial internet meme moment. Surprised there isn't an article about her. Probably should be. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jenn Sterger's article is a biographical page discussing her successful careers in television, modeling, and writing. Where is the comparison?  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Read the article.

  "Sterger and Catherine Perry (who later gained fame in WWE under the ringname Lana) were among a group of friends called the FSU Cowgirls, known for wearing skimpy clothing and cowboy hats to football games. She first came to attention when she was shown during a 2005 Florida State–Miami football game televised on ABC Sports. On seeing the shot, announcer Brent Musburger commented on-air that "1,500 red-blooded Americans just decided to apply to Florida State.""

  She gained fame in a similar manner to Haliey Welch. RTredwell (talk) 14:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Point being? Jenn Sterger actually went on to become a notable person in her own right. If she and her friend were only known as "the FSU cowgirls", a subject that has no article on the encyclopedia, neither she nor her friend would have articles either. Sterger has an article because she gained further notability as a journalist, television personality, and model, enough to justify a BLP page. This article is just the short story of how someone's impromptu joke became a viral moment and she quickly cashed in and got to hang out with a few celebrities as a result.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You asked what the comparison is, I explained it to you. RTredwell (talk) 18:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  RTredwell, yeah, thanks for your explanation. That was my thinking. Obviously Sterger has had something of sustained notable career, and it's too early to tell if Welch will. But it's worth noting that the article for Sterger was created on February 11, 2006, before she had had much of that career, and after she was known almost entirely for being a memetic hot chick who happened to get on national TV at a football game. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Too soon; for now, likely fleeting WP:BLP1E. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify and move to the incident rather then the person to comply with WP:BIO1E -1ctinus📝🗨 21:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and adding that if this page is kept in any form, it should be exclusively about the meme, not the person. The person is not a suitable subject for a biographical article. This is a textbook example of WP:BLP1E. The meme itself is highly unlikely to have any enduring notability.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• also feel like it's worth noting this may be a rare example of a situation where WP:NOTNEWS (WP:ENDURING) is actually potentially applicable in a deletion discussion. A significant percent of what's here is just a description of the subject's fifteen minutes of fame, just listing out every time the subject has appeared near another celebrity in the last few weeks. There's not exactly a lot of encyclopedic material to salvage here. Should also mention that not all of the sources in the article are quality sources. There's a handful of reliable ones, but TMZ, Times of India, Dexerto, and Distractify are not. I'm not convinced a page about the meme itself is justified.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think the meme is unlikely to have any enduring notability? What makes you think you can predict what will be popular in the future? It's impossible to predict the future. RTredwell (talk) 04:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's WP:TOOSOON to properly assess if it meets the criteria on enduring notability, too soon for this to be a mainspace article.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That said, I agree with LilianaUwU's comments below that draftifying can be an acceptable outcome, too. I don't think this page is ready to be in mainspace. But it is not impossible that the meme/catchphrase could be article-worthy at some point in the future, and there's no harm in incubating it in draftspace as a work-in-progress. The page will need a lot of reworking, anyways; there seems to be little disagreement that the page should just be about the "hawk tuah" phrase — this cannot exist as a BLP page about Haliey Welch. Consider this a delete as first preference, draftify as second preference !vote.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. or merge into an article about the meme itself if it does not meet notability guidelines for a biography. The meme has gained massive coverage and notability, and this article cites numerous reliable secondary sources. Thousands of people are looking up Hawk Tuah Girl daily looking for a Wikipedia article on the subject, they should be provided with one. RTredwell (talk) 03:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete : Definitely the case of WP:BLP1E and may be WP:TOOSOON at best. So I'd suggest to delete this and see this notability is sustained, but definitely delete for now. Coderzombie (talk) 06:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Whether we like it or not, she is notable per WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Extensive and continued media coverage as well.BabbaQ (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (or draftify, see below) per common sense, and the ten-year test. No one will remember this in 10 years. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  With that said... I'd be down with the idea of having an article on the meme rather than the woman behind it, considering BLP1E and all that. The meme has gotten loads of coverage and will be remembered. So... perhaps draftify, maybe? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - We are not here to judge worthiness; we are here to judge whether a topic has been the object of multiple, independently-published, instances of significant coverage in sources which are presumably reliable. This fits the bill. GNG pass from sources showing in the footnotes. Carrite (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Extensive media coverage. Too soon to delete; nominator's argument that this will not have lasting notability is WP:CRYSTALBALL. —Lowellian (reply) 00:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Hawk-Tuah I think it's pretty clear that WP:BLP1E applies to Hailey Welch's article since well they are famous for one thing and one thing only as of the present day, most of the coverage is in the context of the meme not the person itself and I think we should have a article about the meme rather than the person themselves. Sohom (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Anyone considering whether to keep or delete this page, should look at the original draft, Draft:Hailey Welch which has been expanded is formatted properly.

Comintell (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Come on. The problem isn't with the formatting, it's with the article being about the person rather than the event. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As my draft was updated to note, she is in talks to get a reality TV show about her life, and further, the Hawk Tuah phrase origins are disputed, with many sources citing that Welch is garnering interest as an individual and public figure. I was just saying. Comintell (talk) 00:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Maybe recreate this if the news is somehow still obsessed with her in a few months. I'm pretty sure there's just going to be a deluge of articles for the next few days and then none at all. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This girl is essentially Bhad Bhabie/"Cash Me Outside Girl" (who unfortunately also recently made tragic news) for Zoomers instead of Millennials. She is more notable than some other articles.--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 02:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:BIO1E. Zinderboff(talk) 06:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Hailey has a fair amount of coverage in reliable sources (see USA Today, Rolling Stone & The Guardian) and has already collaborated with Shaq and Zach Bryan. She gained online virality in a similar fashion to Gorilla Glue Girl, Bhad Bhabie, and Jenn Sterger - with Sterger also discovered from a passing comment made in a vox pop. While WP:CRYSTALBALL is always a fair argument to suggest she won't forever be notable, it can also be used on the contrary, as this may just not die down any time soon. If there is still not enough supporting evidence for Welch to have her own article, then the video should be the subject instead, e.g. "Looking for a Man in Finance" and Chewbacca Mask Lady. But not delete. --Mechanical Elephant (talk) 23:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep there are plenty of reliable sources and flash-in-the-pan memes get articles due to proper sourcing all the time, such as rizz or gyatt XanderK09 (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @XanderK09: The problem here is that the article is about the person, not the meme. Since the person is only notable for the meme, she falls under WP:1E. C F A 💬 03:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I feel like this might be of some importance as we have articles on stuff like "your mom jokes" and stuff Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. This is a clear BLP1E situation. The coverage of the individual is because of the video, the person absolutely is still a low-profile individual (assuming she's going to successfully parlay this into wider fame is impossible to say at this point), and point three doesn't particularly apply to this (if it's about the meme, she would be a footnote in the article.) "Subsequent" developments like her finding representation or starting her own company are still in relation to being the "Hawk Tuah Girl". The best you could argue is the meme should have its own page, but this bio ain't it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prashanth Venkataramanujam[edit]

Prashanth Venkataramanujam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable BLP. Sources relate either to Patriot Act or Hasan Minhaj. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 21:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj, you mean? And he might mean WP:CREATIVE as creator/writer of this series... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Faris Mannekkara[edit]

Faris Mannekkara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Likely to fail WP:NBIO - sourced to PR/puff pieces.
Earlier draft: Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara KH-1 (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The editor who wrote this article made a Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara on 08:13, 22 June 2024 and kept it and later made a new article with a slight change in the title, which is a wrong trend and does not prove WP:NBIO. ~ Spworld2 (talk) 04:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Although the editor who made this page did a mistake by creating a draft and then again creating it into the main space, maybe he is a newbie that's why....but if we look at the person's page, he was awarded the community Leader Award from the Kerala State Women's Development Corporation which is a state award from the person's home state which is in Kerala and the Fulbright Foundation’s Global Changemaker Award in 2023 which is a International award given by the US Government which i believe at least qualify the award category of the people's notability guidelines according to the guidelines written in Wikipedia. This guy also has a significant coverage in The Times of India, Economics Times , Ahmedabad Mirror which i believe is considered reliable in Wikipedia. So we have 2 of the 3 basic criteria except the national dictionary thing ....also While reading the content of these articles i don't see any kind of sponsored post written or a disclaimer in the news coverage these are just my analysis. SATavr (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It may be ignorance / new editor who wrote the draft and then made a new page, but destroyed the first edits in the first draft and deleted it in a completely unrecognizable form, added another person to it and added it to his date of birth and created a misunderstanding because of lack of knowledge?? Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara Difference between revisions [27], Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara 2nd Difference between revisions[28] Spworld2 (talk) 06:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I do agree with you. It was a stupid mistake done by this new editor and i think he lacks the patience for it and just wanted to go directly with a shortcut way for publication. Thats why he change the draft content to a different person and he thought we would'nt know lol..... I believe he has learned a lesson not to do it again and i hope he has got to know that things doesnt workout like this. SATavr (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep A before search comes up with many sources. (e.g. [1] [2]. Numerous articles featuring the names appear, the most of them in Hindi and English. Tiger-in-Action (talk) 08:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PR/churnalism doesn’t count. Both articles are just advertorials for his car company.-KH-1 (talk) 10:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These articles discuss his side automobile firm, yet his Wikipedia biography hardly ever mentions this information. The autogenerated nature of these stories is not disclaimed, as is typically the case. The name of the publisher, Sunil Chaurasia, is also mentioned in The Economic Times. His social work is the subject of major pieces that don't appear to be PR or churnalism. They include original research, such as his participation in and thorough coverage of the Sankesh Foundation and the Smiles Foundation. - [3] which is covered in the Ahmedabad Mirror. Another example is his relationship with Shyalash C, his mentor, which isn't mentioned on his Wikipedia page but is confirmed as original research in Punjab Kesari - [4]. Tiger-in-Action (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stella Assange[edit]

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Subject fails WP:ANYBIO. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Any coverage of her that would be used to establish notability is only in the context of her relationship with Julian Assange, including the sourcing currently in the article. She is not independently notable. Longhornsg (talk) 19:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Stella Assange just spent the last 13 years of her life securing Julian Assange's freedom. This represents a significant legal victory, and indeed, would be considered a considerable career achievement for any attorney. The fact that she is also Julian's wife does not detract from the significance or notability of this accomplishment. Were Stella only Julian's wife and not his attorney, I'd agree that she's not independently notable. However, her legal accomplishment is what makes her notable, rather than her marital status. If you were to strip away the fact that she's Assange's wife, then it seems you'd have to admit that her legal accomplishments and advocacy make her notable. Ben.Gowar (talk) 20:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: coverage is strictly sourced to Julian Assange articles, or to stories about their family. I don't see notability outside of the Julian Assange connection, so nothing needing an article. Oaktree b (talk) 00:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: A factual article about a notable woman. Published author. Sourced and referenced. Wikipedia stop eating your tail and deleting good encyclopaedic content. Firefishy (talk) 01:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - sources are third party and reliable. Her work is source checked and notable. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 08:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Article is well referenced, enough to pass the WP:SIGCOV bar. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. None of the keep votes substantively address that the coverage of Stella Assange is not independently but due to her relationship with Julian Assange. Longhornsg (talk) 19:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  My Keep vote certainly does. You emphasize "her relationship" while failing to acknowledge that the aforementioned relationship is one of attorney-client. She has won a significant victory in helping Julian Assange gain his freedom. The press has treated this as a historic event. You act like she did no work to win this battle and is merely garnering attention because she is the spouse of someone famous. This page has nearly 700,000 views. It should not be deleted. People want information on this attorney. Ben.Gowar (talk) 03:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are certainly articles where she is the primary focus, rather than Julian Assange, so she may not fail on WP:ANYBIO. Also, I buy the argument that she is a lawyer and author. Agreed, the subject of her work is primarily a well-known guy who happens to be her husband, but this doesn't negate her work. Even without this, she might pass under the description of WP:NOTINHERITED where it says, Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG., based on previous observation that there are articles specifically about her. David Malone (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I am not an expert on wikilawyering, but the article appears to add nothing to the Julian Assange article (his legal fight and personal life). BorisG (talk) 20:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The article is on Stella Assange. It is a biography that contains information on her early life and education (in addition to her career). Though there is some overlap between this article and the article on Julian Assange, you would anticipate such an overlap between any two biographies on closely related people. Nevertheless, there is indeed additional information in this article about Stella Assange. You seem to have ignored this and fixated on Julian. Ben.Gowar (talk) 01:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep First, passes the GNG, there's clearly sources which focus on the subject herself: Stella Moris on her secret family with Julian Assange: ‘He’s unlike anyone I have ever met’ (The Guardian, 16 October 2021), Stella Assange calls on journalists to use FOI system to obtain details on WikiLeaks case (UPI, 27 June 2024). Second, acknowledging that part of the interest in the subject derives from her relationship with Julian Assange, that in itself is not reason not to have an article given the amount of detail on the subject of her role in the campaign to have Assange released, WP:OKFORK. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)[edit]

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. References are currently insufficient for GNG. Frank Anchor 18:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a cricketer who has played at the highest domestic level. I would add [29] and maybe [30] to the references. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Karl of Hesse[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources include passing mentions in a couple of books about other people and a self-published fansite. DrKay (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. References add up to enough to pass GNG. The coverage of his wedding in 1966 by Pathé News, a British newsreel company, was the equivalent of coverage by network television news today. The book references are way more than passing mentions, and the subject doesn't have to be the primary topic of a book for it to be a valid reference. Being a German aristocrat is not by itself enough to establish notability, but an aristocrat who attracts consistent media attention can be notable. Interestingly, the German Wikipedia doesn't have an article on him, but the French and Dutch ones do. Someone who reads German might be able to find additional references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Just sources are just about sufficient for general notability. Cortador (talk) 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Enough sources to pass notability so meets WP:Basic. Azarctic (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The wedding might be notable as a news event, but all the other citations are books about other people (Queen Sophia or the Nazi Hesses) or directories. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The only item that get somehow significant coverage was his marriage. Therefore this is a case for WP:ONEEVENT and this only got attention because of the attending guests, not the couple itself. So, no notability. -- Theoreticalmawi (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The several book notices of the subject pass WP:Basic. Axisstroke (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I wonder how you come to "serveral" book notices? 2 of the 4 books (with one listed double) are simple name directories, one is covering his father (with one trivial mention, that his father choosed the name "Adolf" for him to honor Adolf Hitler). I was not able to get access to the fourth book but given the sourced information and the title of the book, his coverage there is not substantial either. So, there is at maximum one book, which is very clearly about a differnt person. How can this add up to "significant coverage"? --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Meets at least WP:Basic. The fact that the wedding was attended by notable people is an indication of societal notability which also attracted media attention. And being cited in multiple books is an indication of notability even if he is not the subject of those books. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete seems notable for only one event, with a sprinkling of passing mentions. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 06:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep barely fulfils WP:SIGCOV (but fulfils!) as Karl himself is not the subject of the books – only mentioned there, and I don’t see any more WP:GNG points checked here Vorann Gencov (talk) 12:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Besides the basic, significant coverage, deleting an article about a controversial first cousin of the current King of the UK reduces our coverage. I also support keeping based on my own usual standards for royalty (see my user page). Bearian (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moruf Oseni[edit]

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Procedural nom following the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 June 19 where consensus was that the speedy wasn't the right outcome, but did not necessarily find support for retention and the outcome was for an AfD to establish consensus. Note I have dropped the protection to ECP to allow established editors to improve the article if they feel so inclined as it didn't feel right to have a fully protected article at AfD. However if p-blocks or other solutions are needed, feel free to implement them. I have not protected the AfD out of hope that all editors will work productively. Star Mississippi 13:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Pinging @BoraVoro:, who has been fighting the relentless efforts from COI/SPAs to prematurely undraftify this page. Owen× ☎ 14:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]

What is the main issue with the page? Are other editors citing any apart from the G11 on the Achievements and Awards section mentioned in the deletion review? @Star Mississippi Michael Ugbodu (talk) 23:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on the merit @Michael Ugbodu, I just nominated it as the outcome of the DRV. Star Mississippi 01:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Tentative cautious keep. It appears this article has a history of ping-ponging between draft space and mainspace, with promotional tone, COI/UPE(?) editing issues, and initially unclear claims of significance/notability. As such it deserves scrutiny. (As an aside, it sounded from DRV there might be information about this on the article's talk page, but this has not been undeleted). That said, earlier this month Michael Ugbodu (who I understand may be an involved editor?) added additional sources which point to achievements and awards that present a credible assertion of significance. In such cases, there are sometimes concerns if the sourcing (and awards) themselves are sufficiently independent, i.e. editorially independent vs regurgitating primary sources only. I'm not familiar with Nigerian sourcing, so don't have a good opinion on this. However, while the process followed with this article has been irregular and far from good practice, absent credible assertions to the contrary, it does seem there is adequate 3rd party coverage, sourcing, and notability to warrant an article. Martinp (talk) 11:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for flagging the lack of talk page @Martinp. Oversight on my part. It's now undeleted Star Mississippi 12:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Now that I've reviewed the talk page, and read the DRV in more detail, I'm changing to delete, send back to draft and enforce requiring using WP:AFC to recreate by any COI editors. I applaud @Michael Ugbodu for their clear statement of COI on the talk page, and for hunting up promising sources. However, paid editing COI should also be listed on the editor's user talk page, and paid-COI article drafts are indeed supposed to go through WP:AFC, not be promoted into mainspace by a COI editor. This is not just bureaucracy, it is exactly there where independence of sources, article bias, etc can be reviewed best, insulating from the fact that a paid-COI editor has much more energy to argue than uncompensated volunteers if there is any debate. We've now had (at least) multiple days at DRV and now 2.5 days here where no-one independent has truly investigated notability and independence of the secondary sources used. Given the COI, this is a must, and while it may be frustrating to a paid editor and their client to have to wait, it would equally be unfair to keep this article in mainspace absent someone independent, experienced with local (Nigerian) sourcing, to verify, jumping the queue vs other paid articles that are going through the (admittedly clogged) AFC pipeline. I'm happy to change my vote if someone independent does investigate those sources during the rest of this AFD. Martinp (talk) 22:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need to come to a consensus on the main issues with the page. The sources for the awards section are all newspaper sources and not primary sources, so can be considered credible. However, I think the second paragraph on the achievements section can be better written or scrapped as it sounds promotional.

Let's hear what others think as well. Michael Ugbodu (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• It's trickier, Michael. We have a lot of trouble with CV-like COI articles which do use secondary (newspaper) sources, but they are not sufficiently independent of the article subject. I'm (probably) not notable in wikispeak, but would not become so just because I persuaded a newspaper (or two) to run an article where they just parroted what I told them. That's why we need someone who doesn't have a COI to look into that (I can't, since I know nothing about Nigerian newspaper writing habits!) Martinp (talk) 22:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Calabar Chic[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

• Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep From my search, subject seems notable and has significant coverage. She has featured in some films and has some level of notability in comedy. I made some improvements on the page as well. I hope it helps Mevoelo (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect: I agree with moving the article about Calabar Chic to the List of Nigerian Actresses, which is a more general page. Due to a lack of coverage, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG guidelines. Redirecting will put her mentions in the right place. It will keep helpful content while following Wikipedia's guidelines. It also links the subject to a relevant, broader topic.--AstridMitch (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I also agree to keep the page because she meets WP:NACTOR guidelines, she has roles in notable films, television shows, stage performances, and other productions, some are listed on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahola .O (talk • contribs) 06:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was not going to reply specifically to anyone in this discussion, but I have to now since I think you’re misinterpreting NACTOR. One thing is for the films they starred in to be notable, another thing is for their roles in the films to be significant. This is not the case here even in the tiniest bit. Her roles in these films was a significant role, she clearly doesn’t pass the guideline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Aside from some interviews and passing mentions, there is not enough to fulfill WP:GNG. As she only had minor roles, WP:NACTOR is not fulfilled either. A redirect to List of Nigerian actors#Actresses as mentioned above is not feasible per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Non-notable subjects should not be included in lists of people. Hence my recommendation to Delete, perhaps just a case of WP:TOOSOON. Broc (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. A Google search of the subject shows several newspaper sources that interviewed her. These type of sources are primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. She has starred in multiple films that are notable, but as someone else pointed out, she did not have a major role in any of those films. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. She has the potential of being notable within a year or two.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: sourcing is fine, [33] as well. Most is celebrity coverage articles, but they give background and some context into tragic and not-so-tragic events in this person's life as of late. Oaktree b (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Sourcing is fine but they’re mostly interviews (save for this one here). She has featured in some movie but not in a major role. Probably too early for an entry. Best, Reading Beans 09:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Lots of interviews by reliable sources, which is a potential indication of (future) notability, but they don't offer enough secondary journalistic coverage outside of the transcript to meet GNG. Definitely a case of WP:TOOSOON. I imagine the subject will be notable in a year or two. C F A 💬 21:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hatim Zaghloul[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (academics), and the article is written in a promotional and advertising tone, and lacks neutrality. فيصل (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Lacks the independent sourcing required to demonstrate notability. - MrOllie (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sally Norton[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:PROF. I have checked the sources are most of them are primarily about the Australian Grains Genebank and small mentions of this person not meeting WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 05:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Thanks for nominating this for deletion. It doesn't satisfy WP:GNG and should go. MaskedSinger (talk) 08:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Ventrella[edit]

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Fails WP: N. The sourcing on the article is almost entirely primary, and what secondary sources do exist are either not independent or do not cover the subject in depth. I also couldn't find any sources to establish notability either, unfortunately. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete. There are a lot of almost but not quite bits here. I found this on the academic deletion sorting list but he appears not to be primarily an academic and although he has one workshop publication with triple-digit citations [34] the rest do not give him a strong enough citation record for WP:PROF#C1. He has one book, Virtual Body Language, for which I didn't find any reviews; I would need multiple reviews of multiple books to consider notability through WP:AUTHOR. The article as nominated contains no WP:GNG-passing sources. The best I found in my searches was [35], a local newspaper story from 2015 about a startup he founded with some depth of coverage of Ventrella himself. I did also find one group work in MoMA that he contributed to, not enough by itself for WP:ARTIST. We could consider a redirect, if we had a viable redirect target, but neither There (virtual world) nor Gene Pool (software) currently look viable to me. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The AfD from 2007 actually got it (mostly) right, there was no coverage about the individual despite hundreds of hits... In the almost 20 yrs since, I can only find primary sourcing or a few social media sites. Source 21 in the article is the only RS, the rest aren't anything we'd use to build an article with. Oaktree b (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ajagun Olusegun Peter[edit]

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NAUTHOR, or WP:GNG. No evidence of established notability. Sources are WP:ROTM and WP:ROUTINE coverages, some being dependent on the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Doesnt meet WP:NACADEMIC. Sources appears to be his appointment to a non notable organization in Abuja, Nigeria. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angela Jerabek[edit]

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Poorly written promotional article about an academic not shown to meet WP:NACADEMIC or WP:ANYBIO. The page's sole purpose appears to be to promote an educational model with little peer-reviewed research to back up its efficacy.Blanes tree (talk) 12:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  Angela Jerabek just won the James Bryant Conant award, given to one American educator annually in recognition of their contributions to American education. Previous awardees include Thurgood Marshall, Fred Rogers, Claiborne Pell, and Miriam Wright Edelman.

  The American Institutes for Research reviewed the BARR model for three years, across three separate studies funded by the U.S. Department of Education, and found it to improve educational outcomes across numerous measurements. AIR's scale-up study, for example, was an independent review of 21,500 students in 69 schools. Most educational models cannot withstand this level of scrutiny. Among their findings:

  "The BARR approach had substantial and statistically significant impacts on the proportion of students who passed all their core courses."

  "BARR significantly reduced chronic absenteeism."

  "The BARR approach improved teachers’ collaboration with their peers, their data use, and a range of other teacher outcomes."

  Here is the report. Here is the actual PDF report.

  This model was also the only educational model to move through all three stages of federal government review in the I3 program. This article from the widely respected industry publication The Hechinger Report (a publication of the non-profit Hechinger Institute on Education and the Media) outlines the general failure of the 170 educational grantees to meet the program criteria. The one exception: BARR. It names the BARR model as the "poster child" for what the grant was intended to fund.

  The above reading of this article is factually uninformed about how educational models are reviewed and how important the BARR model is nationally at this time. Gtatum (talk) 14:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  KEEP Gtatum (talk) 14:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. I am uncertain about the Conant award. But the NPR piece included in a bunch of refbombing at the bottom [36] appears to be a start towards WP:SIGCOV for a GNG case. I also see a MinnPost article [37] that looks like reasonable coverage. I agree that the article is in somewhat poor shape, although I don't think it's so bad as for WP:TNT. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yossi Elran[edit]

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One of a number of BLP recently created directly to main space by קוונטום דוץ. Multiple editors have pointed out issues with these such as notability, sourcing, refbombing. This is perhaps the weakest. Lecturer with an h-factor of 8, no major awards, no major mentions, weak independent sourcing and many unsourced paragraphs. Ldm1954 (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Citations too low for WP:PROF#C1 and no other PROF criterion apparent. I did find one sort-of-published book review, by notable reviewer Adhemar Bultheel on the now-defunct book review site of the European Mathematical Society [38], but that's not enough by itself for WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that we will examine your behavior, then each and every of your claims. There have been elapsed 32 minutes since the moment you marked the entry until you put it under discussion for deletion. I assume your were so insulted by my comment in your talk page that you've determined to teach me a lesson. Ok, well. Let us now examine your comments one by one:

1. "Multiple editors have pointed out issues with these such as notability, sourcing, refbombing" - there were only issues in Eli Jerby and you were the one that have decided to crusade the entry. Refbombing? are you serious? to cite academic articles is refbombing?

2. "Lecturer with an h-factors of 8" - Yossi Elran is mainly notable not as a scientist but as an educator. h-index (and not h-factor, I expect you to know that) is irrelevant in this case.

3. "No major awards" - I understand that you have a fantastic aquaintance with all the awards and accolades in education and science journalism.

4. "Weak independent sourcing" - sorry, I don't have plenty of times like you to mend an entry within 32 minutes.

Have a wonderful day. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 07:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pls delete page thanks Lorenzo1235 (talk) 08:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pls keep or delete page thanks Lorenzo1235 (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Little sign of WP:NPROF impact via research. Article originator claims NPROF C4 impact, but I do not see much sign of this. Passing mentions only are apparent for GNG. NAUTHOR looks more plausible, but this would require more in the way of reliable source reviews. It is somewhat possible that reviews exist in Hebrew, where the different alphabet makes searching difficult, and I am watching the discussion in case better sources emerge. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Here are some claims why to keep the entry:

  1. Membership in the Gathering for Gardner – Membership is granted based on significant contributions in the field of recreational math and a selection committee. It is considered the "supreme body" of the field. Additionally, Elran was the head of a very significant committee there.

  2. His book, "Lewis Carroll’s Cats and Rats", has received high recommendations from three very senior and well-known individuals: Ian Stewart, Cliff Pickover, and David Singmaster – all three are authors in the field of creative mathematics and all three have entries here in English Wikipedia. The recommendations are written on websites where the book is sold, such as Amazon and World Scientific, and on the outer cover of the book itself.

  3. The book "Paper Puzzle Book" received an excellent review from the MAA – Math Association of America - and also from the European Math Society.

  4. Elran's videos on Ted-Ed, which he actually wrote, have collectively accumulated about twenty million views.

  5. In Israel, he is certainly well-known. Especially in the context of correspondence mathematics, but he has also written many articles on mathematics that have been published on Ynet, the main news website in Israel. He was interviewed on mathematics at the radio show "Three Who Know" and appeared on several other television programs related to correspondence mathematics. There were also several articles in the local press abroad about Math by Mail and he even appeared in this context on CTV's morning show in Toronto during a visit there in 2007.

  6. In his list of scientific publications, he wrote chapters in very significant books – one in Gardner's book and the other in MOVES, which is the second most important conference in the field after Gardner.

  7. By the end of the year, the number of his books will increase by two and next year he already have requests for more (and he is also writing two chapters in a Springer's book).

  Please consider again. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 09:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Regarding 1,2,4,6, these do not contribute significantly to notability. Regarding 3, a second review might tend to make the book notable, and redirection to a stub on the book could be a possible alternative to deletion. Regarding 5, what are the three best sources? (Note that sources do not need to be in English.) Regarding 7, see WP:CRYSTAL. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. Regarding 3: here are more reviews - [39], [40].

  And here are some sources for 5: [41], [42],[43], [44],[45],[46]...

  קוונטום דוץ (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The Nick Origami site is some combination of a blog and a storefront for someone selling services, and is not a reliable source. This review counts little towards notability. Articles by the subject count not at all, and I don't think that announcements of events that he is running contribute much. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Dear Russ, you asked to bring resources for point number 5, which refers to articles that he wrote and other things. So how does it not count? Anyhow, regarding what you said toward the end: these are not announcements of events he's running; these are interviews of him in a nationwide radio station. קוונטום דוץ (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Articles written by Elran count for little or nothing. Articles written _about_ Elran may support notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lutfar Rahman (muslim scholar)[edit]

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The sources do not show that the notability guidelines are being met. There are no significant claims to notability. The majority of the sources are from an online bookstore and obituaries. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vinegarymass911 There are references in Bengali and English language to verify the article. Most of the references are in Bengali, because he is a Bangladeshi man. And the book references given are his published books. ইউনুছ মিঞা (talk) 14:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. Ahmed Reza Khan (talk) 15:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehran Tebyani[edit]

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Moved from draft by conflicted editor, no evidence of passing WP:GNG primary sources and interviews don't help with notability. Theroadislong (talk) 08:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redraftify until notability issues fixed. Procyon117 (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehran Tebyani

is a notable figure in the field of music, particularly recognized for being the first Iranian conductor to hold a doctoral degree. His contributions to the music industry are significant and well-documented. Here are key points highlighting his notability and accomplishments:

• Academic Achievements: Mehran Tebyani holds a doctoral degree, making him the first Iranian conductor to achieve this level of academic success in the field.
• Publications: He has published a book in Iran, which contributes to his recognition as a scholar and expert in music.
• Media Coverage: Tebyani has been interviewed by numerous newspapers in Iran, demonstrating his influence and prominence in the Iranian music scene.
• Radio Sessions: During his time in Los Angeles, he hosted a radio session dedicated to the history of music for one year, further showcasing his expertise and commitment to educating the public about music.
• Concerts and Performances: He has conducted several concerts at UCLA in Los Angeles, adding to his international recognition and illustrating his active involvement in the music community.

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Nick Clifford[edit]

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Notability concerns. The article is about a British professor of geography; no secondary sources. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment (no opinion yet). This Nick Clifford appears to be Nicholas J. Clifford, author of research works involving river bed sediment. He should not be confused with Nicholas R. Clifford, a sinologist who appears to be notable (William R. Kenan Professor at Middlebury College). It doesn't help that I keep finding NRC's books listed as being by NJC. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Weak delete. There is a weak case to be made for WP:PROF#C1, with a few triple-digit citation counts in Google Scholar. But I can't find any sources that verify even the basic times and dates of his employment, and without that it is difficult to write even an adequate stub that passes WP:V. (To be clear: through affiliations listed on his publications one can place him in certain universities at certain dates, but nothing with a bigger picture of his career.) —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This archive URL of his profile from Loughborough has Cliffords employment history: [47] - I've also updated the citation in the article to include the archive-url. Furthermore I've identified and added two SCOPUS profiles including [48]. ResonantDis_tortion 21:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Noted academic.... Full Prof at KCL and Loughborough till retirement 2020. Lots of cited works (including Key methods in geography Cited by 1500+) (Perhaps searching GS under NJ Clifford, Nicholas Clifford (and checking is the same Clifford) adds up to substantial pubs... Technical clear Pass of WP:prof (8) by virtue of being (formerly) the editor of Progress in Physical Geography. Added refs, including editorials in the journal, substantiating this (Msrasnw (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC))[reply]
  • Is the River Science Wikidot source reliable? I had assumed not, but on further review it does seem to be a closed-wiki with some editorial control. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The author of the article is another UK academic in the same field. BhamBoi (talk) 01:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Agreed with the !vote by Msrasnw, in particular 4 figure citations. Furthermore a quick google identified secondary book reviews [49], and [50]. Also the worldcat profile here shows his books are held by hundreds of libraries, which should count for something. ResonantDis_tortion 22:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Prof: was a full Professor at a major university, and has lots of citations. Bearian (talk) 01:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: the subject of this article appears to meet the guidelines (WP:ACADEMIC). He has a considerable publication record and his work, especially Key Methods in Geography, has been cited over 1,500 times. His role as the editor of Progress in Physical Geography adds even more weight to his notability. His teaching roles at King's College London and Loughborough University also prove that he is notable. Other references and articles support the claims in the entry, further enhancing his standing.--AstridMitch (talk) 01:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kade Ferris[edit]

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I believe this article should be deleted because it clearly fails WP:NOTE. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• The cited sources are a bit thin but I wouldn't say it's 'clear' either way. Did you look for sources? The article lists several books authored by the subject, did you look for reviews per WP:NAUTHOR? – Joe (talk) 13:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah I can't find anything to meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines. I still stand by deleting this article. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Nope this article fails notability guidelines for authors too. It seems this page was made by friends of the article's subject. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 16:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What makes you think it was made by friends of the subject? Belbury (talk) 08:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. His books appear to be self-published but that would be ok if there were reliably published reviews of them. I couldn't find any. The sources in the article now include a book review, but of someone else's book and mentioning Ferris only in passing. The only in-depth source that we have is a local-news obituary, appearing to be a family-written obituary rather than a work of independent journalism. That's not enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @David Eppstein Kade Ferris is the author. Charles Albert Bender = Chief Bender and is the subject of the biography. There are other reviews of that book too. Anyway I'm leaning keep. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Chief Bender meets notability guidelines for his sports career while Ferris does not meet any Wikipedia notability guidelines. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 00:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Are you telling me that the book Métis and the Medicine Line: Creating a Border and Dividing a People, with the author listed as Michel Hogue on the cover, is really by Kade Ferris? Because that is the book whose review I was referring to. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @David Eppstein Right. I clocked that the first time I read your comment, but the second time I read it, I read it the other way. I can add the other book reviews (of his book) and also quote from at least one other book I found. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This article still seems to fail WP:NTEMP and WP:SUSTAINED OldDiddlyBop (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. I see that the review in American Indian Children's Literature got removed from the article as a source. I am adding it back. While the site itself could be construed as a blog, the reason this particular blog qualifies as a reliable source per WP:BLOGS, is that it is produced by Debbie Reese, who is an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I expanded it to include more about the impact of his tribal history preservation work and the impact that has on reservations, ND and MN educational standards and added information about his mapping skills.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 08:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I still don't see how this article ceases to fail WP:NOTE WP:NTEMP and WP:SUSTAINED. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 16:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  His written work as an author and oral traditions that he embedded within his maps, blogs, and recorded videos for the state of North Dakota established notability. He was a respected tribal historian and elder knowledge keeper and professional work reflects that.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 21:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The article has now been puffed up with some 30 footnotes, most of which do not seem to be the sort of in-depth independent and reliably-published coverage of the subject that could be used to pass WP:GNG. Of the ones that actually mention Ferris or his works in their title, "Kade Ferris's Gift" is an interview (not usually counted as independent), the Red Lake Nation News obituary reads like a family-written obituary (not independent), the Mendoza book review is in a blog (not reliably published), Teachings of Our Elders is by him not about him, and Archaeologist presents has no depth of coverage of Ferris. Perhaps, per WP:THREE, advocates of keeping the article could save us the effort of similarly evaluating all 30 of the footnotes and point us to three sources that are actually in-depth, independent, and reliably-published? I'm looking for a small number of high-quality sources, at most three, not many low-quality sources. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree that it would be helpful to hear the three best sources. It seems like notability is marginal at best and it's hard to see through all the passing coverage. – Joe (talk) 08:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep. This article was already extremely well cited, but I added an infobox and a little bit more. His notability stems from his tribal historic preservation work which is interdisciplinary (history, anthropology, archaeology, policy making, language advocacy, etc.) Yuchitown (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you please address the discussion above about lack of high-quality sourcing, rather than merely asserting that "This article was already extremely well cited" when clearly it isn't? It has many sources but that misses the point. We need a small number of high-quality sources, and continuing to add larger numbers of low-quality sources only makes notability harder to discern by hiding the good sources in a big pile of dross. It would be better to remove both the low-quality sources and the material sourced to them so that we can focus on the essentials. The sources you added (his own dissertation and a web page about someone else that mentions him in passing) do not contribute to notability according to Wikipedia's standards for notability, which are not based on the work the subject might have done but rather on the depth of coverage of the subject in sources that are independent of him and meet Wikipedia's standards for reliable publication. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't appreciate the suggestion that tribal newspapers are "low-quality sources." Like I wrote, his notability is based on being a THPO, so it's interdisciplinary. He was not just a writer. While several pieces (Red Lake Nation News, Minnesota Native News) focus on him specifically, even if these didn't exist, Wikipedia:Notability (people) states: If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. He has contributed "part of the enduring historical record" of the Métis people. Yuchitown (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Tribal newspapers are as reliable as any other newspaper. But when a local newspaper (tribal or not) runs an obituary that reads like the sort of obituary written by a family member to announce a death, rather than the kind of obituary that major newspapers write themselves when famous people die, it doesn't count much towards notability. For one thing, if it is indeed written by family, it is not an independent source. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  .... even if these didn't exist, Wikipedia:Notability (people) states: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". He has contributed "part of the enduring historical record" of the Métis people. Yuchitown (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So much a part of the enduring historical record that the only Wikilink to him from any other article is a an unsourced sentence about him in an article about a village in Lebanon, stating that he is also of Lebanese descent, something that appears nowhere in the Kade Ferris article itself? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If that's an issue to you, you can help expand topics on Turtle Mountain, the Ojibwe or Metis history and credit/wikilink his article from those edits. Wikipedia needs more editors in that area.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 10:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I definitely think the Métis have an interesting history that deserves to be better-known, but I have no special expertise in that area, and I have even less knowledge of Turtle Mountain or the Ojibwe.

Incidentally, I can find no evidence that Kade Ferris had any connection to Lebanon, outside of a few unreliable web sources. I have removed the link to him from the Lebanese village article. His mother was from Minnesota and his father was originally from the Turtle Mountain Reservation. I suspect his father, Albert Ferris, may have some notability as an artist. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I just came across this AfD and don't entirely feel experienced enough with guidelines to vote either way, but I'd like to note that Ferris' work on map decolonization and geographic technologies (as THPO for the Red Lake Nation) was significant enough that he gave a full-fledged presentation at the Council for Minnesota Archaeology's 2023 annual conference, entitled "Creating a Virtual Database for Regional Tribal Resource Management and Consultation". I don't know if, for example, a program (with an abstract of his talk) from the conference (the most important one on Minnesota archaeology, as far as I know) would count towards GNG, but I do have such a document if uploading it somewhere could prove useful. Thanks. SunTunnels (talk) 21:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think that giving a lecture or presentation at a conference is a stand-out event. Doing that is an ordinary part of an academic's job. The only exceptions would be instances where being selected to give the lecture is itself a high honor, like when a national academic society invites someone to do the Annual So-and-so Memorial Lecture. That can be an indication that the field regards the person's work as particularly important. XOR'easter (talk) 21:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Recheck the article. It's completely fine now. Yuchitown (talk) 03:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

False. There are still zero WP:GNG-contributing sources: sources that provide in-depth content about Ferris, are written independently of their subjects, and are reliably published. None of the previous keep comments have even attempted to address those requirements of GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - Kade Ferris was a distinguished archaeologist, anthropologist and historian, one of the first Indigenous archaeologists in the U.S. I've made some improvements, including adding a book review and an obit in an academic journal. He clearly meets criterion #2 of WP:ANYBIO, WP:BASIC and also nows meet GNG. As an aside, I find it really quite odd that the nominator would assume that It seems this page was made by friends of the article's subject especially given the fact that such a new editor, with only 40 total edits (the majority of which were to the article or this AfD) would make such a comment. I guess I'm also a little curious how they learned by their 20th edit how to produce an AfD so quickly. Nominator, do you yourself have a connection to the subject of the article and why would you make such a statement? Netherzone (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marco Magnani[edit]

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Not particularly relevant as an essayist, nor as a lecturer. Excellent career, no doubt, but rather in the normal range. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 10:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep The page needs cleanup as it's written like an advertisement, but the books have quite some coverage to meet WP:NAUTHOR:
  • Fatti non foste a viver come robot: [54] (access via WP:LIBRARY) [55] [56] [57] [58]
  • Il grande scollamento. Timori e speranze dopo gli eccessi della globalizzazione: [59] [60] [61]

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Some profiles in the press (although mixed with interviews, not sure if they would contribute to WP:GNG: [62][63] and some more coverage of Il grande scollamento [64] Broc (talk) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep also : Not sure why there are profiles, but there appear to be Il Sole 24 Ore covering his return from America, il Fatto Quotidiano covering Italy 2030, what appears to be a book review I'm not sure of the independence of. Along with another book review, these are the only independent reliable sources the book has. Given a couple news stories about him and a number of sources on his books, it seems reasonable to write a short article. He seems to be notable for maybe the Italy 2030 project and his popular books?

Given the large number of sources, I wonder if it's possible to show they pass Wikipedia:Notability_(books)? That would pretty much resolve this debate, because this article would obviously contain the books. And given he has his own news sources, it seems reasonable to also discuss him.

I'm not 100% sure if the book sources transfer over to his notability, but he's still got a case either way. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luca Verhoeven[edit]

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After conducting a WP:BEFORE search, it seems to me that this actor/producer does not meet either the general notability guideline or notability guideline on entertainers. DanCherek (talk) 16:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Michael_Verhoeven#Biography: (father; mentioned there; or to Senta Berger#Personal life (mother; also mentioning him) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! @DanCherek, I actually found the information on the German Wikipedia page. If you believe the article [[Luca Verhoeven]] does not meet the guidelines set by WP:GNG, you can move or delete it accordingly. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 17:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anvarul Hasan Annu[edit]

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Same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohsin Khan (producer) from the same author, this fails WP:GNG as the sources are all press releases and interviews. I'm not too familiar with the Indian press, but the only other sources I can find online for this person seem to be at the same kind of level.

The article creator has declared that they were hired by Celewish to do some paid Wikipedia editing about the company, but they say that this biography was not part of that agreement. This article lists Celewish as the subject's official website, and apparently he is the Chief Operating Officer and co-founder of the company, along with Mohsin Khan. Belbury (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete: All I can find are paid press releases and no notable coverage. The subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ENT at all. I've went through the discussion on author's talk page raised by @Belbury. It seems like author has COI with the subject through this agency called "Celewish" anyway. He only claims that he did not get paid by the agency. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 15:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. No significant coverage of him as actor, other than paid sources. Also, the person who created the article is considered to be WP:COI. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Khoubai[edit]

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The article does not meet the required standards. There is nothing special about being an award-winning content creator on YouTube! There are hundreds, even thousands like him! Do they all deserve an article? Of course not! The article is purely promotional about the person. — Osama Eid ^(talk) 08:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Niharika Lyra Dutt[edit]

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Notability issue Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Strong Keep: I do not really see any notability issues here. The subject person has officially credited lead roles in TV series like Paatal Lok[65], Choona[66], and an upcoming series Call Me Bae[67], as well as supporting roles in projects like Music Teacher[68] and Sutliyan[69], which clearly fulfills the NACTOR#1. Besides, The Hindustan Times interview, as well as sources from Times of India, Indian Express, and Yahoo! News that are currently cited in the article have also clearly demonstrated that the subject person has fulfilled GNG. It does not even require a BEFORE, as the information presented in the article is already sufficient to show that the subject person has fulfilled two notability guidelines. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, interviews do not help establish notability. Also, Times of India is not suitable for a biography. — 48JCL 16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• NACTOR has clearly been fulfilled but not addressed. And yes, a single interview source itself does not establish notability. But if there are multiple interviews covering a breadth of different topics, this can count towards notability per WP:IV. I am not sure about Times of India, but even if it is excluded, there are still multiple interviews from The Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, or Mid-Day[70], which have fulfilled this requirement imo. Still an obvious keep to me. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -- She is 'way down the cast list (not in the top 6 actors listed) in either Paatal Lok or Choona, or in the streaming/web projects, so not an obviously notable career on the face of it. I am not sure whether any of the articles cited are really WP:RSs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The sources I provided show that she is credited as main cast, and they are from The Indian Express, The Hindu, and Variety. I do not believe these three sources have any concerns regarding their reliability. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shabana Shajahan Aryan[edit]

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: 2 lead roles In notable series have her clearly meet WP:NACTOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep: I concur with Mushy Yank. At least two co-leading roles in the television series Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Fulfills NACTOR#1. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jacqueline Lovell[edit]

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No significant coverage found. She had three supporting roles in Full Moon Features films that have articles, but that does not seem to be enough - especially with no significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR for her significant roles (including lead roles) in at least Hideous!, Head of The Family and The Killer Eye, that are notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The exact guideline says "Such a person may be considered notable if:", not that they are automatically notable. SL93 (talk) 20:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And she is not automatically notable from three roles in three films when none of the roles received significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But do you allow me to think she is and to !vote according to the applicable guideline? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but do you allow me to voice my thoughts because AfD is not merely just a vote? SL93 (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think your thoughts were pretty clear in your rationale, but feel free, of course. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete While she does meet WP:NACTOR, I cannot find a single source mentioning her other than movie databases, so she does not pass WP:GNG. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Added some sources. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The sources are either not independent (words from co-star, an interview) and trivial coverage. One of the sources says, "This film (along with the aforementioned Hideous!) stars the beautiful Jacqueline Lovell, whose career came to screeching halt shortly after this film." Not only is a sentence not significant coverage but I would say that her career coming to a screeching halt shortly after a B-film speaks towards non-notability. SL93 (talk) 21:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In less than 2 minutes, you've read all the sources added? Wow, I confess I am impressed. Anyway, begging to differ; even if her career as a b-movie star stopped it's sufficiently notable; and anyway again, I've added even more, and more exists, not that it is necessary imv. I disagree with almost everything you said but will leave it at that, thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why would I need to read the full sources when I just need to use CTRl+F to search for "Jacqueline Lovell"? Why would I need to read full sources to know that something is an interview? Same with knowing that something is just a film database like IMDb and TV.com? SL93 (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources added (by the time of your first reply to me, I will check the new sources now) do not constitute significant coverage. Here is an analysis of them:

1. [71] Only two passing mentions
2. [72] This is unreliable per WP:IMDB
3. [73] This is an interview, so it is not independent
4. [74] This is a movie summary, and only makes three passing mentions of her
5. [75] Only one passing mention
6. [76] Only one passing mention
7. [77] Only one passing mention
8. [78] This is a movie, which is not independent of the subject
9. [79] Only two passing mentions
10. [80] Again, this is a list of movies, so not significant coverage
11. [81] This is another movie, which is not independent of the subject

Gödel2200 (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an analysis of the five new sources added, which still do not constitute significant coverage.

1. [82] Only two passing mentions
2. [83] This is an encyclopedia of movies, with only two passing mentions
3. [84] This source does devote a few sentences to talking about her, but this is only a review of her performance
4. [85] Only two passing mentions
5. [86] Only two passing mentions

Gödel2200 (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I tend to agree with the source analysis above; the best I could find was [87], it's not quite enough for notability. Delete for lack of sourcing, not meeting ACTOR. Oaktree b (talk) 00:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR for her significant roles (including lead roles) in at least Hideous!, Head of The Family and The Killer Eye, that are notable productions. There is no added need to also satisfy GNG. The two are companion guidelines, GNG is not a trump card. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whitney_Wright[edit]

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Actor that fails to meet the notability guidelines of WP:ENT: Does not have significant roles in multiple notable productions, nor have they made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The only reliable secondary source about the subject relates to how this pornographic actor went to Iran, posted some photos on social media, and has cause a social media controversy online. This doesn't establish notability as an entertainer, and is exclusively be tied to a single event that is largely unrelated to the subject's profession as an entertainer. Davidwbaker (talk) 19:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: a few years ago, a group of users has managed to create a consensus that states that pornographic entertainers are basically not notable for what they do (their awards do not count, the coverage from the industry does not count, etc.). However the torrent of coverage W. Wright received for her political opinions shows her notability as porn actress is recognised outside WP and outside industry/adult coverage. That's why I think the article could be retained. NB-Coverage is international and includes reliable media, Guardian, Al Jazeera, Euronews, Hindustan Times, and so on. Despite this being limited in time, my !vote is based on the fact that it confirms her more general notability (since PORNBIO has been "cancelled"). (Note: I am the one who DPDd the page- same nominator, as I didn't juge deletion uncontroversial). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep: Meets GNG with the Guardian and the AP source. Coverage in a few different news sources [88] as well. Oaktree b (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Coverage of her persists as she visits Syria: [89] Aintabli (talk) 10:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Priyanka Chhabra[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. M S Hassan (talk) 18:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Lack of sourcing, beyond this [90]... What's now in the article for sourcing isn't enough either. Oaktree b (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR, with at least 2 significant roles in notable productions, and that's the applicable guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mushy Yank And what are those 2 significant roles in notable productions? M S Hassan (talk) 05:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Her roles in Athadu Aame O Scooter and Shobha Somnath Ki. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 06:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Adames[edit]

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No evidence this actor passes WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Adames is a WP:BLP1E for his Razzie award. The article's earlier assertion (removed by me) that he is the youngest person to receive a Razzie is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH based on WP:SYNTH (none of the sources actually state that he was the youngest). There's no other claim to fame or notability; inclusion in other sources is limited to WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. There was a stable redirect to Gloria (1980 film) until recently; I would be OK with restoring the redirect per consensus or outright deleting. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Looking at the rules you were right to remove the “youngest winner” assertion… thanks for pointing that out. As for the article I figured winning a Razzie, especially one of the first ever, qualified as a “significant event”. Kind of like how we have many stub articles for everyone who ever competed at the Olympics. So that was why I made it at the time JSwift49 01:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my thinking: Under WP:NBIO, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" is a criterion -- but the Razzies are really a tongue-in-cheek anti-honor. Most people who win them are already separately notable under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NENTERTAINER, but for those who aren't independently notable I don't think being recognized for being bad at something should qualify as "a significant award or honor." And so all the news coverage for this guy then falls under WP:BLP1E and should be covered at the movie's page, not as a standalone page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the Olympian stubs, WP:NSPORT is its own separate thing, but at least all of them are being recognized for being good athletes.  :) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could being generally recognized for being bad be, as the criteria says, “interesting or unusual”, if not an honor :) If we had a source specifically confirming that Adams was the youngest recipient I would definitely advocate for the article to stay, as that’s an additional notability; the Razzies had a controversy recently for nominating children. But since we don’t have that source yet, I’m not too concerned either way. JSwift49 16:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ginny Holder[edit]

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Non notable actress, Bar Holby City her roles have all been one-bit/minor roles, Cannot find anything in-depth on Google News (all are gossip/mentions), Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG –Davey2010^Talk 18:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep In addition to her recurring role in Holby City, she also made recurring appearances in Death in Paradise (TV series) (this is not cited in the article, but see this source, for instance). Thus, because she has had significant roles in these two series, she satisfies the criteria of WP:ENT. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Probably not enough coverage... I find this [91] and a bunch of articles in Hello! about celebrity gossip, but nothing to use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR indeed, with at least 2 significant roles in notable productions, as Gödel2200 explained.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Update: at least 3 (see page).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Update; 6 (PLEASE see 1st Afd, where other productions and sources are mentioned...and that was closed as a clear and fair Keep)....-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is a tough one because while she does have a fair amount of credits, she herself has no significant third-party coverage despite being in the business for three decades, which is evident by her article having no content since the beginning, literally consisting of two sentences and a filmography. She is merely a byproduct in content focusing on Death in Paradise, and "meet the cast"–type articles do not meet SIGCOV. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 08:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Added a few things to the page.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Satisfies WP:NACTOR per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I disagree with Casualty's statement, which seems to have mixed up GNG and SNG. The subject person has officially credited main roles in the television series Death in Paradise and The Capture, as well as a recurring role in Holby City which earned her a nomination for Female Performance in TV at the Screen Nation Film and Television Awards. This means the subject person has at least three significant roles in notable projects, which clearly fulfills NACTOR#1 and should be kept. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasmeen Tahir[edit]

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Non-notable actor, possible mercenary work. Most of the sources are mere mentions/name-drops of her, being focused on other members of her family instead. Urdu!VoA is a prose-style interview with her based on the automated translation, two sources are about being given a non-exclusive reward. Draftification attempts led to a move-war; see WP:AN/I#User:BeauSuzanne. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In light of Jeraxmoira's efforts to bring this article up to par, I am Withdrawing this AfD. Any issues in re COI can be handled at other venues. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: has received the Sitara-i-Imtiaz, which can be considered a "well-known and significant award or honour", so that she meets WP:ANYBIO imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  And as for the rest of the sourcing? Being notable is not enough here; BLP applies as well. A look for sources isn't turning up much for me (strings: ["yasmin tahir" pakistan], ["yasmeen tahir" pakistan]). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Being notable is enough for being notable imv.:D-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not where biographies of living persons are concerned. Literally everything in the article that could reasonably be challenged must be sourced, and the award is the only thing that can be sourced based on what I'm seeing. An "article" that just states she won an award without any further context isn't really much of a stub, let alone an article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But that is not the case, is it? Again, I'm leaving it at that and will stand by my Keep. Thank you for your time, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If we're allowing BLPs based on such awards, I suppose many WP:ROTM personalities could manage to get a stand-alone BLP then. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: For the record - I draftified the BLP because it was in poor shape, filled with WP:OR using WP:FICTREF. However, Mushy Yank reverted my draftification without addressing the WP:OR issues, which escalated into a move war (not initiated by me though). This BLP appears to be a case of WP:UPE because it was created by an editor BeauSuzanne‎, who has a notoriously bad history of creating BLPs on non-notable subjects using WP:FICTREF. Anyone arguing for keeping this based on WP:ANYBIO # 1 must understand that there is no consensus that ANYBIO #1 supersedes GNG.. Clearly, the subject fails to meet the requirements of GNG and WP:NBIO as well. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Jeraxmoira expanded the BLP since it was AfD'd, but I still don't see it meeting the GNG and since there's no consensus that ANYBIO#1 overrides GNG, so in order to preserve Jeraxmoira's work, I'd like to suggest we Redirect it to Naeem Tahir per @S0091, — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Stating that I had not tried to honestly address the issues mentioned in the tags then on the page (and judged that they could reasonably appear addressed; even if they were perhaps not completely addressed) is at best exaggerated (see my edit, edit summary, the tags themselves (different of those currently on the page), the state of the page then and page history) and stating that there was a move-war is clearly misleading (see article TP, where this was explained. Thank you. I will not make any further comments here, the same way I did not reply any further on that page and stopped editing it, for various reasons, including lack of time. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Final comment, though: interesting diff when one knows this is 1) a standard section of ALL articles where they can bee added 2) sourced 3) a major claim at notability :D...-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mushy Yank, ...the same way I did not reply any further on that page and stopped editing it, But your continued participation here, here and even here contradict your earlier statement of disengagement. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    No, they don't, not that it matters. Read me with more attention; but thank you for this comment all the same. I'm gone, though, this time, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She is a well know a radio artist. The government of pakistan awarded her and she also worked in a few dramas which i added but you removed it.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC))[reply]

BeauSuzanne, Your argument that she received an award (WP:ANYBIO# 1) has already been countered above and your claim that she also worked in a few dramas doesn't really justifies a standalone BLP and is not convincing either, especially if the roles were not major. And as you yourself mentioned, that she's a radio artist, which also makes it difficult for her to meet the NACTOR. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't radio artist notable she has been workin since 1958 which is in the source too and has worked more than three decades.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@BeauSuzanne: Longevity does not matter for notability. What matters is the available sources discussing the subject, and frankly outside of the award there aren't any. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: wedding photos and discussions of her spouse are all I find... The award could suggest notability, but the sourcing isn't there. Oaktree b (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete winning a minor civilian honor as discussed above is not really enough for notability from WP:ANYBIO without other references. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Allan Nonymous the award is one of the highest national honors bestowed by Pakistan. In the year she received it, there were only 36 recipients and she was one of the two females. It may not be enough to establish notability but please do not call minor. S0091 (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  S0091, We've doubts about the credibility of such awards; they seem to be given based on personal connections. The same year, this award was also given to someone merely for performing their job, without any significant achievement. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Saqib, will you please provide evidence of your claim that Sitara-i-Imtiaz is paid? The source you attached never supported such claims. Will you care to prove that Yasmeen Tahir got this award due to a personal connection? 2404:3100:140E:5180:1:0:90E3:E5DC (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  IP - I'm simply pointing out that the credibility of this award isn't strong, so it's not inappropriate to classify it as a minor civilian award. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Saqib Do you have any proof that these awards credibility is not strong or they are minor? Please provide evidence that support your claims. 2404:3100:144D:4E4:1:0:A80F:2CCB (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think I've stated my position and while I don't need to provide evidence for everything I say, but, if you insist, you can refer to this, this and this, which says In the past, numerous Pakistani TV, film, music and literature personalities have been given these awards, while others struggled to even get nominated. Many complained of the lack of a stringent criterion and claimed favouritism as well.. If you don't want to trust me, that's your choice. However, you should consider trusting these sources and the former senior cabinet minister who have made the same statements as mine, about these civil awards. I prefer not to engage with WP:LOUTSOCK, so I won't argue further. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not a single source claims that Yasmeen Tahir got an award due to personal connections or that she was not awarded as per merit neither they mentioned Sitara-i-Imtiaz is fake/minor. You are throwing fictious sources that does'nt support your claims. 2404:3100:1402:FFDF:1:0:9155:36D0 (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Right and most awards are criticized for overlooking others who are arguably more deserving, the political nature of them, etc. See Nobel Prize controversies and this NYT article about the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the US. Either way, Sitara-i-Imtiaz is one the highest awards and it is not given out like candy with hundreds of recipients each year like some. S0091 (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  S0091, Allow me to clarify my remarks. I do not deny that it is one of the highest civilian awards in the country. Perhaps my wording was incorrect. What I intended to say is that it is referred to as minor in the sense that it lacks credibility and I provided sources to support my claims, and the more I research it, the more I find opinions aligning with mine. [Granting civil awards to minions, crooks and fraudsters has eroded the prestige and value of these awards.] That said, it's still an honor to receive such an award, even if its credibility has diminished. However, basing a BLP solely on this award doesn't make sense to me at all. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Well I think we can all agree Yasmeen Tahir is not one those crooks or fraudsters. :) That opinion piece is about civil awards in general, of which there are several, with specific focus on higher education and one example regarding the Tamgha-e-Imtiaz. Also clearly he agrees the award has prestige and value; otherwise it couldn't be eroded. As I state above I am not saying the award in and of itself establishes notability; only that is not a minor award. S0091 (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Recipent of Sitara-i-Imtiaz, third-highest honour and civilian award in the State of Pakistan. 2404:3100:140E:5180:1:0:90E3:E5DC (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — 2404:3100:140E:5180:1:0:90E3:E5DC (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  The issue is that's the only thing there exists sources for. Nobody's been able to find any usable sources for literally anything else, making an article on her fairly questionable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 15:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Sitara-i-Imtiaz#Recipients of Sitara-e-Imtiaz: I have tried to find at least a couple secondary reliable sources with in-depth coverage about her but everything is brief mentions. Within those mentions it is clear to me she has had an impact but it's not enough to establish notability. However, sources could come to light in the future so I at least want to maintain the work that has been done which a redirect will accomplish. I do think the title should changed to Yasmin Tahir, though. S0091 (talk) 17:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Changing to keep per Jeraxmoira's improvements and additional findings along with mine. It is clear Tahir/Tahir's work has been written about so sources exist but the issues are access to sources and transliteration. S0091 (talk) 18:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Most of the sources exist in the keyphrase "یاسمین طاہر". The initial concerns about sourcing have been significantly fixed now. Many of the latest sources added are not mere passing mentions and multiple sources verify particular claims. Everything in the article is sourced and the concerns about OR and UPE have been fixed as I have contributed to almost 55.5% of the article's content, completely rewriting it forward and none were referred from the 4 July version of this article.

There is much more information available now beyond wedding photos and content related to Naeem Tahir which were also one of the previous concerns. This article cannot be redirected or merged to a suitable target, i.e Naeem Tahir, Imtiaz Ali Taj or Sitara-i-Imtiaz as it has extensive coverage from her early life till now, which will be lost or cannot be fit into another article without disparaging it. With the current level of sourcing, the subject passes WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO#1.

Per Sitara-i-Imtiaz - It recognizes individuals who have made an "especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of Pakistan, world peace, cultural or other significant public endeavours". I believe her continued contributions from Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 until now is what made her eligible for Sitara-i-Imtiaz. The amount of coverage she has now is surprising for someone who is notable for her work during and after the war, when the internet did not exist. This article should be kept as a significant amount of coverage exists in offline books, local newspapers and other magazines popular during that time. Adding that to what we have online will easily make her notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your efforts, Jeraxmoira. How easy/possible would it be for a given person to find offline sources about her, assuming they'll mainly be in Pakistan? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I have no idea how or where they'll be able to find it in Pakistan. Most probably in a renowned public library I guess. My point is that the subject will pass GNG easily with what we may find offline, which is just additional to what we have online and I believe what we already have online/in the article is enough to establish notability via SNG. FWIW, her name has a lot of hits in the Urdu Digest monthly magazine, but I haven't used them because of poor translation output. If I am right, significant coverage is not necessary for someone who passes WP:ANYBIO, so I think we have addressed all the issues here. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 11:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeraxmoira can try Yasmin Imtiaz in Urdu, her name before she was married and see what you get? Just curious because I am getting snippet hits in English like this and this. S0091 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeraxmoira, Thanks for your efforts in expanding this BLP However I must highlight that the majority of Urdu sources you cited are not even considered RS for BLPs and I'm unsure if we can use them for WP:V much less to establish GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep; the sources added by Jeraxmoira are impressive. Transliteration makes searching difficult -- Yasmeen, Yasmin, Yasmine could all be used in English -- and the fact there aren't sources in English doesn't mean this person isn't notable in Pakistan. Valereee (talk) 11:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Heng[edit]

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Contested WP:PROD, there has been two WP:BLAR and reverts, now I'm bringing it to AfD to gather consensus. The actor only had minor roles in multiple works, plus a slightly more significant role in Girl vs. Monster. Does not fulfill WP:NACTOR, I suggest a Redirect to Girl vs. Monster#Cast Broc (talk) 10:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not opposed to the redirect mentioned by Broc; nor to Keep (if one considers his role in The Kung Fu significant too, for example) or that the number of his roles can make him meet WP:NACTOR (31 credits=prolific?).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. He lacks significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Heng was not even part of the starring cast in any movies nor TV series, not even on Girl vs. Monster nor Kung Fu. All of his roles are minor roles both in film and TV series. No significant coverage of him as an actor. This is considered to be WP:TOOSOON. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Princesa Lea[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with some significant roles in notable films (also see Sp WP). And WP:GNG, https://heraldodemexico.com.mx/espectaculos/2021/10/18/princesa-lea-que-fue-de-la-famosa-vedette-canadiense-del-cine-de-ficheras-345367.html https://www.debate.com.mx/show/Conoce-a-las-tres-actrices-del-Cine-de-Oro-que-eran-la-Karely-Ruiz-de-su-epoca-20230117-0311.html https://www.gq.com.mx/entretenimiento/articulo/vedettes-iconicas-cine-mexicano ; https://www.eleconomista.com.mx/arteseideas/Vedettes-femeninas-y-empoderadas-20161206-0102.html among other things. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Slightly Notable, article needs more citations and improvements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feellingfly (talk • contribs) 11:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yabani[edit]

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I am not sure but want a definitive consensus on the notability of this TV series. First off, the article doesn't meet our guideline per WP:NFP–there is totally a decline of SIGCOV, or maybe because I didn't find either, but I tried searching only to see release dates announcements, etc, and thus, doesn't satisfy WP:SIRS.

On another note, I found out that the additional criteria WP:NFO, and WP:NFIC may push for the userfication, given thoughts that it may still meet notability at the highest release (seems like it has been released), and because it started notable actors and actresses. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Added a few things for verification; a lot of so-so coverage exists (in Turkish, English) and, although not great, it seems to show some attention to the production. Notable cast. A redirect to producer/network is imv warranted, so very opposed to deletion.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agastya Nanda[edit]

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Notability is not inherited–being a member of a notable family is not an exception, infact, it is the true definition. Having asserted above, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR because he only started in one or two films, and not multiple. Infact, most of the sources were about the family, and not this young actor. In regards to that, there is more to draftifying and marking as promised because this is a clear issue of WP:TOOSOON. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Nikhil_Nanda#Personal_life: mentioned there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom, fails WP:ACTOR also WP:GNG. Youknow? (talk) 09:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Blue (film)[edit]

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From the current state of the article, it is clear it doesn't meet WP:NFILM; no critical review from reliable sources or rating in any film rating platform. If sources are found, ping me. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nomination statement to which I have nothing to add. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Iranian films of the 2000s: given the notable cast. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Appears to fail WP:NFILM. The director looks notable for other projects and probably merits an article. But the only non-trivial mention of this film I can find is a short summary in a BBC article about the director. hinnk (talk) 04:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd Floyd[edit]

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Accvording to Pepapapopo (talk · contribs): only one actual article about this guy is sourced, otherwise filled with unsourced information and i doubt this meets the notability requirements. An article was previously deleted at AfD, but I cannot determine if it was about the same person as this one, an American video game voice actor. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: This is about all I can find [92], which does nothing for notability. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I cannot find where any of the biographical information comes from. The listing of roles can be from credits on the games and films, but there needs to be some independent sources. It is a shame that voice actors aren't covered well in sources, but that doesn't change the fact that we have no independent sources for the content of this article. Lamona (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. No significant coverage of his roles as a voice actor. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The info on the voice acting seems shaky without outside confirmation. Maybe with some good references, this article could be brought back up to snuff! Waqar💬 17:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prashanth Venkataramanujam[edit]

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Non-notable BLP. Sources relate either to Patriot Act or Hasan Minhaj. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 21:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj, you mean? And he might mean WP:CREATIVE as creator/writer of this series... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:07, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark[edit]

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WP:NOTINHERITED. Certainly the 'acting career' does not establish notability.TheLongTone (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note that most of the keep votes in the last nomination thought that being a member of a 'royal family' conferred notability. It does not. Neither does the fact that some publications pander to the vanities of these caterpillars on the commonwealth.TheLongTone (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The latest acting role isn't even a named character, hardly notable per WP:ENTERTAINER. Some of the Keep arguments in the previous AfD were erroneous. "he is currently 3rd in line to be Pretender to the Greek throne" fails to recognize that the Greek throne is defunct and has been for quite some time. Another argument was "even the divorced wives of the lowliest of Britain’s peers qualify for a page" which is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree. Being on pages of Tatler and Harper's Bazaar doesn't mean he is notable or else we would have to make everyone who is ever mentioned in those pages a wikipedia as well. He also doesn't have a notable acting career. Unfriendnow (talk) 23:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The item that would establish notability would be his acting career. There are only three films which I could find him in (the ones listed on his article). In the first, as the article says, he only made "guest appearances". The second film was not notable in its own right. In the third film, he did not have a significant role. Thus the criteria of WP:ENT are not satisfied, and there is nothing else that would establish notability. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Pass WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. The nominator did not do a WP:BEFORE check especially step D before nominating this article for deletion. Also, any argument that attacks the viewpoints presented in reliable sources or expresses dislike of the article subject is WP:IDONTLIKEIT and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and has no weight meaning such an argument will be discarded due to having no basis in Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

The article subject has received significant coverage from: South China Morning Post, La Vanguardia, ABC, El Confidencial, Vanity Fair, Paris Match, El Español, El Economista, Diario de Sevilla, El Nacional (Catalonia), Gala, Harper's Bazaar, Tatler, ¡Hola!, Mujer Hoy, Revista Clase, news.com.au

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The fact that I find royalty egregious is irrelevant; I am not nominating a serving royal who has attracted coverage from any but the gossiperati for deletion. I do not think that you know what the word 'significant' means.TheLongTone (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you have an axe to grind against a group of people to the point where you hate reliable sources just for covering them mean you should not be editing articles in this topic. From WP:GNG, "significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. All the rs I provided above address the article subject directly and in detail. Not only that, per WP:BASIC, multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. The only meaning of "significant" that is relevant here is the one used by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines which you seem to refuse to engage with. Also, you clearly do not know what a gossip magazine is. StellarHalo (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:GNG. Subject has received significant press coverage, regardless of why that coverage was written. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  significant? you are having a laugh.TheLongTone (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am not. StellarHalo provided an adequate display of such coverage in the above conversation. Your sarcasm doesn't do anything for your case, so I'm not sure why you chose to react in that manner. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: and I strongly suggest the nominator withdraw. Ignoring the "meet the Greek royals" and similar sources (because notability is not inherited), there are many, many in-depth articles about the subject by independent, reliable sources. StellarHalo lists quite a few and there are lots more. Easily meets WP:BASIC. C F A 💬 00:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This individual is truly insignificant and the fact that some empty-headed people pay him and similar people attention is neither here nor there. And as for withdrawing my nomination....forget it. The man is not notable in any real sense. As per the article, all he has done is be born. See WP:NOTINHERTED. I have a better claim to be notable.TheLongTone (talk) 12:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fascinating. So you've been written about in Tatler, China Morning Post, Harper's Bazaar, Hola!, Vanity Fair, etc? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poppy Morgan[edit]

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How has this survived the raised expectations around porn performers. The sourcing is well below GNG for a BLP. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: a few years ago, a group of users has managed to create a consensus that states that pornographic entertainers are basically not notable for what they do (their awards do not count, the coverage from the industry does not count, etc.). OK. But this actress might meet GNG: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/hull-porn-star-poppy-morgan-2877489 ; https://www.anorak.co.uk/377943/celebrities/hull-mps-want-page-3-banned-but-the-official-brochure-says-poppy-morgan-is-part-of-the-city-culture.html ; https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2006/11/23/porn-star-to-teach-dancers/ as these sources mention that her notability as porn star exists outside WP and outside the industry. At least, that's how I see things. And I consider her notable enough to have a page. If any ATD exists, feel free to redirect. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for proving my point with non reliable sources Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You're welcome. Thank you for providing a link showing these sources are non-reliable according to a clear consensus. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Seriously? Ha ha ha

  so a tabloid. A short article with no byline on an online news source with no indication of fact checking and a very short piece on a local news sources that allows user submitted content that has no byline. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That's what I thought. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So you agree they are not RSs! Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That was not what I meant. "ha ha ha" - so a tabloid is not exactly what I would call a thoughtful reply containing a link nor referring to a clear consensus. But here's a link and a consensus. Wp:Tabloid states that well-established tabloids should be used with care. The Mirror is a well-established tabloid. I wouldn't call it plainly unreliable (and if the other 2 aren't bylined, this one is). These are not great sources, especially the other 2, but read my !vote and you might understand what I mean. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Tabloids are not reliable sources for the gng but may be used with caution to flesh out an article. Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Going through those sources, really was reading them for the articles! Still, for mind, she doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. MaskedSinger (talk) 08:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft delete/Draftify - Mushy Yank provides enough sources to suggest that the subject potentially could be notable, but they aren't enough to meet GNG or warrant keeping this article. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 18:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: There really isn't much of any kind of coverage, outside of [93]. AVN wins are fine, but we don't count them towards notability, so there is no sourcing we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supreet Bedi[edit]

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Article refunded after soft deletion, but still fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. The vast majority of sources are tabloid coverage, which doesn't count as WP:SIGCOV under GNG. Other sources include primary sources like the subject's own book or WP:INTERVIEWS, or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fails all criteria WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:BLP. No WP:SIGCOV. Sources are poor to unreliable WP:NEWSORGINDIA. RangersRus (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chidananda S Naik[edit]

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Some information on this guy: Chidananda made the sixteen minute short film Sunflowers Were the First Ones to Know... in four days at the end of his one-year television course in the Film and Television Institute of India. The 16-minute film is based on a Kannada folk tale about a rooster not coming causing the sun not to rise in a village. It won the La Cinéf award at the Cannes Film Festival. This is the main content on doesn't warrant an article here. Anything (Essentially, just the award) you need about him is already online.

Almost every single source on the internet about Sunflowers Were the First Ones to Know says short film wins Cannes award and nothing else. This is a case of WP:TOO EARLY. Why not wait till he directs feature films?

I am acting in good faith because two users see User_talk:Mushy_Yank#Notability_2 and second opinion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Does one film guarantee notability? claims that this person does not pass Wikipedia:Notability (people).

The critical reception section is a stretch, no matter which Indian film won in Cannes, the comment would be the same. Another source about this guy's short film from Variety: [94] (again, only about the award). This AfD is a complete waste of time (caused by undo of redirect to Cinéfondation saying take it to AfD [95]) DareshMohan (talk) 07:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Cinéfondation#Prize winners: A redirect seems like a good ATD so far. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Subject passes WP:ANYBIO#1. The significant award/honor here is 1st Prize - Premier Prix award from Cinéfondation, 2024 Cannes Film Festival, where the film was judged among 18 films globally. The award is well know and has it's own article on Wikipedia, Cinéfondation. There is coverage from multiple published sources that are also reliable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am not fiercely opposed to keep if everyone agrees he is notable but I think it should be made clear that 1) the award itself has no page, it's the foundation that promotes it which has 2) it is technically the film (a student film) that receives the award, not its director. You don't think that if we decide ANYBIO applies in this case, we would establish a precedent setting the bar extremely low? I do. I don't think that WP:DIRECTOR appplies anyway, coverage on the film being insufficiently significant imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC) On second thoughts "unstriking" (virtually) my comment: I do consider that "coverage on the film (is) insufficiently significant imv." for the director to meet WP:DIRECTOR requirements. Not unsignificant nor trivial and mentioning a significant award, yes but not enough at least for WP:DIRECTOR, I should think.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The foundation is notable for the award it gives out. It was started in 1998 and the award has been given annually since then. The award, technically, belongs to the director for being the brains behind it, which is why the director's name is mentioned in the 2024 Cannes Film Festival and Cinéfondation article instead of the producer's name. Nandi Awards is only significant in Andhra Pradesh, whereas Cinéfondation brings coverage from Variety (magazine) as well as Hindustan Times, which would you consider a more popular award now?

  Coverage on the film being insufficiently significant? Here are some reliable sources that explicitly mention the film's name in the title: [96][97][98][99][100][101]. Expecting a breakdown, analysis or a review for a film that has only been screened once(AFAIK) is absurd. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 15:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There are some articles that are indeed significant in the links you provided here. Not commenting on the rest, if I may. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But since you kindly asked me (not sure the question was meaningful or not ironic): yes, obviously I find the Nandi way more "popular" than the Cinéfondation premier prix, yes. That's not exactly the point, I'm afraid. Here, the fact that this is a student short film is for me, so far, an issue, and I still favour a redirect, but as I said, not fiercely opposed to keep, especially in light of the sources you added presented here (most of them also being on the page, except if I am not mistaken, the article in the New India Express and DDNews). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC) (edited my comment for clarification as my comment may have been misleading . Also adding that it's very likely that among the journalists or papers who mentioned the award and interviewed the director, not many if any at all have seen the film; and for me, this too is a problem; basically the question remains: can ANYBIO apply if the award, significant or not, is attributed to the work? Can WP:DIRECTOR apply in a case where coverage, although somehow significant as it addresses the film, is only mentions of the plot, the award, and in some sources of a few facts about production? Most sources are indeed generally reliable, although various articles are not being bylined, which I personally don't mind but is regularly pointed out negatively when it comes to Indian film, some users considering such coverage unreliable as a rule (I don't :D). I am still not sure, and still consider a redirect to be the best outcome. Maybe it's absurd to require further analysis of the work but can we really bypass that requirement just because the film has only been screened in Cannes, and not by the journalists who wrote the article, and is short? Not sure. Sorry for the cascading clarifications. I don't think I will change my mind from now, nor positively nor negatively. Even if one considers that it's the film after all that's notable and the article about the director is only here as a form of substitute for the article about the short, I am not certain that the premier prix at Cinéfondation, although significant, can be considered a major award nor that the coverage is substantial enough. Maybe the said coverage cannot be more than what it is now for obvious reasons, maybe, but still. I've done, again, some further searching and there's also coverage in French: https://lepetitjournal.com/inde/actualites/triomphe-indien-au-festival-de-cannes-2024-386190 or this blog; https://www.inde-cineskope.com/2024/05/cannes-2024-payal-kapadia-et-linde.html Good luck.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What's stopping you from doing a WP:BEFORE? There are many reliable sources for the subject and the film apart from the the six I have cited.

  The coverage that follows from someone meeting an additional criteria is just a bonus. Most Olympic athletes, older MLAs, sports personalities, politicians and judges do not have significant coverage. There are many articles with only database entries and primary sources as references simply because they meet an additional criteria and are presumed to be notable. The basic criterion that has been followed until now is that if an award has a standalone article and someone has received that award, they are presumed to be notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What's stopping you from doing a WP:BEFORE? is a very undue, rude and aggressive comment. I've searched for sources extensively THREE OR FOUR TIMES. Just look at my comments (and at 2 other venues) and presented sources myself (you're welcome). Again, the award has no page, and the film received the award, not him. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If you think that a regional award is more popular than Cinéfondation and that there is no substantial coverage when the coverage is not even required, then I cant help you. Ciao Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: So he won a sidebar competition at Cannes. The film might be notable, this individual isn't. Redirect to the film's article, if it's deemed notable. This is too early to have a wikipedia article for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 16:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - clear pass of ANYBIO #1. If I were able to assess and read the non-English language sources, I'm confident there would be a clear NBASIC pass as well. ANYBIO doesn't require significant coverage of the person outside of the work, by the way - that is pretty much the whole point of that criterion. Newimpartial (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Newimpartial: Here is the sources in Indian language [102] which also just say that the film won the award. So is the short film notable or him notable -- I would say the short film maybe. DareshMohan (talk) 21:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  And I would agree with you, DareshMohan. ANYBIO clearly states, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" (emphasis mine), while all sources mention that the film received the award. And while I would certainly admit that for a student short film the award is significant, I wouldn't transfer that significance to the person directly. Even regarding the film, it is judged as a student film and I personally am reluctant to consider that in itself the award (although clearly an achievement) is enough to make the short notable (the notability for films is more strict and the award needs to be considered a major award, which this one is not imv). As for the director, even less so, then. Of course, he directed it, but then WP:DIRECTOR would be the relevant guideline. And see my view about that guideline applying or not, above. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I believe you both (Mushy Yank and DareshMohan) are misreading WP:DIRECTOR, the point of which is that when the works attributable to a particular creator are notable, that makes their creator notable. This is a major, and well-documented, limitation to the WP:NOTINHERITED principle, which continues to apply in the other direction - the non-notable films of a notable director are not necessarily notable.

  What is more, your interptetation of ANYBIO #1 does not, I think, reflect the general understanding. While for collective works, the distinction betweent the work and its creators may be significant for notability. However, the idea that the sole author of a book that wins a major award could somehow not therefore be notable does not reflect a coherent reading of NCREATIVE, in my view (which I believe is the general one). A film of this kind, where the director is universally regarded as its creator, follows the same logic as a book IMO. Newimpartial (talk) 22:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry to insist, but I think we've read WP:DIRECTOR quite correctly: our point is precisely that we don't think (at leat in my case) the evidence proving that that short student film is notable (work, singular, not plural in the present case) is compelling either, given the type of coverage or and the nature of the award it received. I've already repeated that various times. As for ANYBIO, feel free to change the wording or phrasing of the guideline if you think it's too limitative, but I've quoted the current one and it's pretty clear. The person has to receive the award and the said award (concerning persons, obviously) needs to be both well-known and significant. If you think that evidence shows that the work is clearly notable according to the guideline, let's agree to disagree. If you think that the award received by a film can be automatically transferred to its director and that this is the general and correct view, sure, I understand but that's not what the guideline says. If you think that that award is well-known and significant, sure, maybe, regarding student short/medium length films but certainly not for the notability of a "director" (who was still a student when he received it). That is for me setting the interpretative bar slightly too low but as I said above, not fiercely opposed to keep this if everyone agrees this inclusive interpretation is acceptable and the coverage about the film show it's a notable work. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see any reasonable doubt that Sunflowers... is a notable film. It clearly meets WP:NFILM #3, and I have seen for myself the multiple reliable sources documenting this claim to notability.

  And I will say again: the point of WP:CREATIVE, whether for authors or filmmakers, is to offer guidance for the atypical case documented at WP:INHERITED - people who are specifically responsible for a notable creative work, whether as authors or as film directors, are therefore notable. That's what a significant or well-known work is - a notable one - and there is no consensus to change this well-established standard to require more than one work for this principle to apply. Newimpartial (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Just to clarify: I never said that more than one work is needed to meet WP:DIRECTOR nor did I mention WP:INHERITED myself (I never do). That's not my point. One notable work is enough imv. But, allow me to repeat myself one last time, WP:NFILM#3, that you mention, requires a MAJOR award, that's the word in the guideline. Major. Again, the Cinéfondation Premier prix is certainly an achievement for a student film but I wouldn't call it a major award. (See this, for example). And I find it therefore quite reasonable, even considering the existing coverage, to doubt whether that student short film is notable enough according to the requirements of Wikipedia. If it is not, a redirect for its student-director seems to be, so far, the kindest outcome imv. If everyone thinks it is, feel free to create the page about that short student film. I for one, would wait for its director to become a professional one and/or for the short film to attract in-depth attention from reviewers who might have watched it. But that's just me. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isha Malviya[edit]

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The article heavily relies on unreliable sources as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. Single significant role in Udaariyaan. Does not meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. Editingmylove (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: At least one significant award won and 3 significant award nominations have her meet WP:ANYBIO imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Eye raising nomination, but that aside, I think this is close. There is a lot of fancruft references, interviews, general announcements, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, etc. And, winning an award or appearing on a television show does not give inherent notability (I think the Indian Telly Awards individual categories may not meet notability either). However, there are at least two references that are bylined and not just routine announcements here and here. I'll reserve a !vote at the moment in hopes someone can point out coverage that isn't routine. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• weak delete: most coverage is about the TV show Big Boss [103], I wouldn't call it extensive coverage. This is a RS, but what's used in the article are all marginal reliability sources per Cite Highlighter, so I'm not sure we have enough to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The user who has nominated the page for deletion is a new account created solely to ensure the page is deleted. The previous two nominations have also been a result of fandom war. As for the notability, it has been established the last 2 times as well. She has done 2 lead roles, one major reality, show, numerous music videos, a web series in post production, notable award nominations and wins. [FYI, Indian Telly Awards and Indian Television Academy Awards are two of the most notable ITV Awards regardless of whether the pages are well updated on Wikipedia or not.] The actress has sufficient coverage, apart from all her work and has more on the way. Hasty deletion to fulfill online fan wars makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.39.32.83 (talk) 10:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Looking at your contibutions which is only this comment and anyone can say that you are the account created to this comment only. Columbidae5 (talk) 15:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: The article is looking like fan made article who is doing undo removed content. Neutral point of view is also missing in the article. It looks like promotional content. Columbidae5 (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Notable personality. Filmography with different credits. Nominations and wins in terms of two known awards. Additionally, this seems to be another potential attempt by online supporters of other actors. The previous deletion discussion of this page was quite similar and was started by a fan of another ITV actress. This seems to be yet another example of social media hate propaganda. OCDD (talk)

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• Keep as she is a notable actress and model who has gained significant recognition for her role in the popular television series "Udaariyaan," contributing to her widespread popularity. Additionally, her career achievements and public interest make her a relevant figure in the entertainment industry --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 17:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calabar Chic[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. There’s in short, no piece that is independent of the subject to establish notability. BEFORE does not provide anything different. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List_of_Nigerian_actors#Actresses: she has some credits in films and coverage, although including a lot of interviews (but a lot, and in various media), allow to verify she's a Nigerian actress who might have a certain notoriety. Hence this WP:ATD -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-->Changing to Keep per WP:HEY thanks to the work of User:Ahola .O since nomination, including sources showing a certain notability as comedian.

• Delete Limited coverage, no evidence she meets the guidelines. Not in favour of redirection, per WP:LISTPURP and no point redirecting to a page where she isn't mentioned. Mdann52 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep From my search, subject seems notable and has significant coverage. She has featured in some films and has some level of notability in comedy. I made some improvements on the page as well. I hope it helps Mevoelo (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect: I agree with moving the article about Calabar Chic to the List of Nigerian Actresses, which is a more general page. Due to a lack of coverage, the article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG guidelines. Redirecting will put her mentions in the right place. It will keep helpful content while following Wikipedia's guidelines. It also links the subject to a relevant, broader topic.--AstridMitch (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I also agree to keep the page because she meets WP:NACTOR guidelines, she has roles in notable films, television shows, stage performances, and other productions, some are listed on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahola .O (talk • contribs) 06:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was not going to reply specifically to anyone in this discussion, but I have to now since I think you’re misinterpreting NACTOR. One thing is for the films they starred in to be notable, another thing is for their roles in the films to be significant. This is not the case here even in the tiniest bit. Her roles in these films was a significant role, she clearly doesn’t pass the guideline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Aside from some interviews and passing mentions, there is not enough to fulfill WP:GNG. As she only had minor roles, WP:NACTOR is not fulfilled either. A redirect to List of Nigerian actors#Actresses as mentioned above is not feasible per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Non-notable subjects should not be included in lists of people. Hence my recommendation to Delete, perhaps just a case of WP:TOOSOON. Broc (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. A Google search of the subject shows several newspaper sources that interviewed her. These type of sources are primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. She has starred in multiple films that are notable, but as someone else pointed out, she did not have a major role in any of those films. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. She has the potential of being notable within a year or two.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: sourcing is fine, [104] as well. Most is celebrity coverage articles, but they give background and some context into tragic and not-so-tragic events in this person's life as of late. Oaktree b (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Sourcing is fine but they’re mostly interviews (save for this one here). She has featured in some movie but not in a major role. Probably too early for an entry. Best, Reading Beans 09:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Lots of interviews by reliable sources, which is a potential indication of (future) notability, but they don't offer enough secondary journalistic coverage outside of the transcript to meet GNG. Definitely a case of WP:TOOSOON. I imagine the subject will be notable in a year or two. C F A 💬 21:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zaine Kennedy[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Connor Rennie[edit]

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Fails GNG. A search through the Gale/newspapers.com/proquest and BNA archives found no SIGCOV of Rennie. Dougal18 (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slávka Frniaková[edit]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2000 Summer Olympics#Basketball as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this women's basketball player to meet WP:GNG.

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I am also nominating fellow Slovakia women's basketball teammates at said tournament for the same reason, except Zuzana Žirková, as most of them seem to fall under BLP1E:

• Martina Godályová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Renáta Hiráková (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Dagmar Huťková (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Marcela Kalistová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Anna Kotočová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Alena Kováčová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Lívia Libičová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Jana Lichnerová (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Martina Luptáková (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Katarína Poláková (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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• Basketball is a popular and very well-covered sport. I would be shocked if all of these were lacking coverage. For that reason, nominating Olympic basketball players en masse is not a good idea. Suggest procedural keep with the possibility of individual renominations. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of these are BLP1E as well. All of them had significant accomplishments in order to get to the Olympics. E.g. Martina Godalyova (randomly selected) was a 12-time national champion in multiple countries and led MBK Ružomberok to consecutive EuroLeague Women championships. I suspect many, maybe even a majority, would be notable, the issue is finding digitized 1990s Slovakian newspapers... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Another one, Anna Kotočová, competed at two further Olympics and was inducted into the French Basketball Hall of Fame! BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• As a start, keep the following: Kotočová (1988, 1992 and 2000 Olympian); Luptáková and Hiráková (1992 and 2000 Olympian); Lichnerová (played in the WNBA); Kováčová (won the Euroleague in 2005-06). This is on the presumption of coverage, yes, but I'll let that fly as the nomination is too large to handle them all anyway. Plus, Beaniefan started digging up some things. I have no opinion on the rest of the players yet, though I have a general opinion: Bundled nominations almost always fail nowadays and should be removed as a feature in AFD, actually. They are nothing but a waste of time. Geschichte (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Disagree with this generalization, but as things go the bigger the bulk, the less likely it will pass muster. Let'srun (talk) 04:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to keep Kotočová, Luptáková, Hiráková, and Lichner then. Not sure about the other players. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all: After a spot review, several of these players appear to at the very least not fall into WP:BLP1E and may potentially be notable under WP:BIO. No prejudice against speedy renominating individual players. Let'srun (talk) 04:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Clariniie, it doesn't appear like the articles in this bundled nomination have been tagged for this AFD or that this AFD discussion has been formatted correctly which makes it invalid. Have you informed all of the article creators of this discussion? Bundled nominations are tricky so please follow all of the instructions at WP:AFD for a bundled nomination, especially regarding formatting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Liz: I usually informed article creators about the nomination. However, since this might be my first time making bundled nominations, I didn't notice the other pages listed weren't nominated. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antonio Telari[edit]

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. C679 04:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is certainly not notable. He only played one match at senior level before playing in lower leagues then disappeared. All I could find were a passing mention and unrelated politician named Michele Telari. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archie Vaughan[edit]

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So what exactly makes this guy notable? Being the son of Michael Vaughan, is all I can tell. He hasn't played cricket at a senior level and hasn't done anything of note in cricket to warrant inclusion. No amount of WP:ROUTINE refbombs can hide that he is a WP:GNG fail. AA (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy Mougal[edit]

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Unable to locate significant coverage of this individual's career. Made 2 substitute appearances for his national team (Seychelles) in 2008 - I am unable to locate any other information on him. Does not meet the GNG. C679 15:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 22:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ľubomír Bajtoš[edit]

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Another long-unsourced stub regarding a Slovak men's footballer who played a total of 47 minutes before suddenly disappearing in 1999. SME might be the best reliable secondary source that mentions his name, but it's only in an image caption which does not count towards significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. The article is from ye olden times and is not satisfactory with current guidelines. The false information about 47 minutes is a misinterpretation of 47 matches in the Czechoslovak First League, and he did of course have a longer career before and after that even though WorldFootball has not recorded it. But someone has to have recorded something in order to have a Wikipedia article. This piece is an overview of his career. It's a good start, and there are more in pre-Internet media, but I don't know how to find it. Geschichte (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. That article linked by Geschichte appears in the Czech-language version of the page. It is a good start. The link from Clariniie suggests he played in European competitions in the 1994–95 season on top of the league matches. Sources likely exist. I was able to find details of his performances in the Czechoslovak First League: 1990–91 season, 1991–92 season (didn't play), 1992–93 season for 42 appearances and 6 goals. Will add more if I am unable to uncover further sources. C679 15:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilya Syrovatko[edit]

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Does not meet verifiability guidelines per WP:SPORTSPERSON. 333fortheain (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Does not fail WP:V thanks to various databases, but an article cannot be built on databases only. Geschichte (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dinis Lopes[edit]

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Dinis Lopes never played in a professional league match and doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. After many searches, I was able to find some routine coverage but no WP:SIGCOV. Sapo was probably the best source but it only really confirms that he signed a two-year contract and that he used to play for Pedras Rubras. Record is basically the same as Sapo above. Mais Futebol has a transfer announcement, this time about him signing for Salgueiros, but it contains no significant coverage. Lastly, Labor is another transfer announcement with only minimal coverage of Lopes. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - claim to notability is insufficient to meet the notability guideline. C679 14:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiago Leão[edit]

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This had been tagged for notability since 2014 but I removed it based on the fact that he meets the now-defunct WP:FOOTYN. I was not able to find any evidence of being able to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC, though. Diário de Santo Tirso was the best source but it's a basic transfer announcement other than for the very brief quote, Record is another source but is way too brief and Gazeta Paços de Ferreira is only a squad list mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: significant coverage does not appear to exist and fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Both portuguese and english sources have been searched for Mrfoogles (talk) 15:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - unable to establish notability. C679 14:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete because it lacks sufficient verifiable sources to establish notability, making it difficult to confirm the significance of his contributions or achievements. --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 17:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

João Van Zeller[edit]

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Van Zeller played 84 mins of professional football before a brief career at the semi-pro level. I can't find any WP:SIGCOV. The closest that I could find was a squad list mention at Espinho TV. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources do not seem to be findable and the current article is only sourced to databases, and also doesn't really say anything. Oddly enough, there's an identically named man on the portuguese Wikipedia who is entirely unrelated here. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that there is also a Dutch-Portuguese winemaking family with a guy with this name in it as well. Probably more notable than the footballer. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pedrinho Rodrigues[edit]

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Pedrinho Rodrigues never participated in a professional league match and seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC as far as I can tell. I've searched his common name and full name, including in conjunction with clubs that he played for, and can find nothing other than database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Also cannot find sources, current article sourced to databases only. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete can't seem to find any fitting criteria in WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSBASIC at all. No coverage as well Vorann Gencov (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete due to not meeting WP:GNG. C679 07:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heather Cooper[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Prod was removed by an editor who added sources. However, almost all the sources are primary. E.g. from Handball Australia. The ABC source is third party but it's not WP:SIGCOV. Winning the Oceania Cup isn't much of an achievement given the weakness of competition. LibStar (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete Can’t see how it could fulfil WP:GNG. No WP:SIGCOV too. Winning Oceania Handball Nations Cup does not give notability for an article. Vorann Gencov (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Agree. It doesn't satisfy WP:GNG MaskedSinger (talk) 08:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mustafa Kardeen[edit]

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Had a brief career and seems to lack WP:SIGCOV. I found Al-Sharq, but it's just a brief transfer announcement with a quote from the player. Other than that, I could only find Lusail News, Raya and Al-Kass, all of which were just passing mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yordan Penev[edit]

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Penev had a very brief professional career, playing only one top level match, and I am unable to find sources that comply with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I found Varnautre and Varna 24 but these are only simple match report mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, strog failure of GNG. Geschichte (talk) 19:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per nominator's source analysis. Jogurney (talk) 02:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete small and non-notable article --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Doesn't pass WP:FOOTYN, since FC Aksakovo is not a professional club and FC Spartak Varna did not perform at the highest national level when Penev played for the club. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV also. Tau Corvi (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fitim Reçi[edit]

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Reçi debuted at a very young age but has now been inactive for over six years and I'm struggling to find any non-database sources on him. Does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC based on my Albanian source searches. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, utter GNG failure. Geschichte (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jana Labáthová[edit]

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There are some mentions on online newspapers of her being paired with Nada Daabousová in the synchronized swimming competition at the 2016 Summer Olympics, but I could not find any in-depth coverage of Labáthová herself that would pass WP:GNG. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. No news about Labáthová have been reported since then either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• A few things I located: [105] [106] [107]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:22, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source #1 mentions Labáthová in the first five paragraphs, Source #2 does not address her in-depth, and Source #3 mentions her in one paragraph repeated from the title. None of these provide significant coverage that is required for notability; Labáthová still needs to meet SIGCOV and GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Tišťan[edit]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Athletics because I could not find enough in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. The only decent source I found is Netky where he was disqualified, but it looks nowhere near significant. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect per nom. Does not satisfy the criteria at WP:NATH, so a redirect is the best option. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Slovakia at the 2015 World Championships in Athletics#Men. Doesn't meet WP:NATH and WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 23:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viva Van[edit]

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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [109], rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [110], none turn up. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Stay: Viva Van currently works for Ring of Honor & AEW so that should be enough notability for her page to stay, it could also be in the hopes of her someday capturing a ROH TV Women's title or a AEW Women's or AEW TBS title or even a New Japan Women's or New Japan Strong Women's title or Wonder Ring Stardom Women's title while still in the indy's if given enough time or she could even soon or someday sign with WWE, so I think that that should be enough for her page should stay around. Because she also is still a very active indy wrestler today. (She also was trained by Rikishi and probably is apart of the Samoan / Polynesian Heritage / Bloodline. Which could do good if she we're to someday join WWE as well. She was also apart of the ROH TV Women's title tournament, so that should also be enough notability for her page to stay.) 71.65.161.223 (talk) 11:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even that, most of the article are just WP:RESULTS, with no focus on her. Most of the article looks like wants to present the wrestler as notable by comparation. "made her debut for Thunder Rosa's Mission Pro Wrestling in May 2021 in a Triple Threat match against Impact Wrestler Masha Slamovich ", "Van was defeated by CMLL Veteran Estrellita." "June 2019, Viva teamed up with WWE wrestler MVP", like namedropping. Also, Reddit is not a valid source. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But she has returned to take on Willow Nightingale & Lluvia for the CMLL World Women's Championship it was announced today and she also tried out for WWE in 2020 & in 2022. Hopefully with those two things now added to her page could change something or could make her page stay. 71.65.161.223 (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not seeing enough independent and significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG. The vast majority of the sources are match results, blogs, interviews, or are non-RS. Working for a certain promotion does not grant inherent notability. Let'srun (talk) 02:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Shurtliffe[edit]

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Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5. This is a stub that I created when we presumed notability for those who played in the NFL. (Shurtliffe played 4 games for Buffalo in 1929.) The presumption was revoked by community-wide consensus, and I have searched extensively for SIGCOV without success. A redirect to 1929 Buffalo Bisons (NFL) season may be appropriate as an alternative to deletion. Cbl62 (talk) 02:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to 1929 Buffalo Bisons season as suggested by the nominator. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 15:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to 1929 Buffalo Bisons season: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)[edit]

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. References are currently insufficient for GNG. Frank Anchor 18:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a cricketer who has played at the highest domestic level. I would add [111] and maybe [112] to the references. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yevhen Kholoniuk[edit]

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. NSKATE is wrong and should never have been adopted. So many articles about champion skaters are being deleted. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wang Qingyun[edit]

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: per nom. I was not able to find any English or Chinese sources about the subject person, and she has only won bronze medals in the Chinese Championships, failing both GNG and NSKATE. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veronika Kropotina[edit]

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to ISU_Junior_Grand_Prix_in_Croatia#Women's_singles. Achievements are insufficient to meet WP:NSKATE. I have not found any secondary sources that speak directly about her, only mentioning her in passing. By the way, references 1 and 3 do not work, and 2nd gives meager performance statistics. Tau Corvi (talk) 01:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arjun Tudu[edit]

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep - @RangersRus:, @Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [113], [114], [115], [[116], [117], [118], [119], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

  Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

RangersRus (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)'[reply]

ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "called up to the senior India national team" is not notability. If he played for national team, that would be something to consider. If he was just called up then it is also case of WP:TOOSOON. RangersRus (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats one of my more minor points, my point is that he was considered such a good player and significant figure in Indian lower leagues that he was called up to senior nationl team. This proves my point that all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Either way, he has many secondary sources about him. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never said has to meet both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. I am saying he passes neither. Doesn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL because he hasn't played professional football and the sources that exist don't justify WP:GNG Coderzombie (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me how this article doesnt meet WP:GNG. Im listening... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team.. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Arjun Tudu's page should be deleted because he doesn't have enough coverage in reliable sources to meet the notability standards.Yakov-kobi (talk) 14:00, 05 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - to the closer, nobody has explained how he doesnt pass WP:GNG which he clarly does... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep These are excellent references. The article is crap, but the subject clearly meets GNG. The previous deletion discussion years ago is irrelevant, given the amount of media coverage is major national papers since then. The GNG policy clearly supports keeping. I don't see what policy supports deletion. Nfitz (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luka Čadež[edit]

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Non-notable figure skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. No SIGCOV coming up for the subject. (There is a Slovenian footballer with the same name, but not so many search results I couldn't sift through them.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Kneisly[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [120][121][122][123]. Mn1548 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to  United States men nationa rugby league team#Current squad. Delete. Doesn't pass WP:RU/N, because on an inernational level, he played for United States men's national rugby league team (Eagles), but the player is presumed notable if he played for United States men's national rugby union team (Hawks). Per WP:RU/N USA domestic leagues aren't notable. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV, I haven't found any secondary sources that relate directly to the subject. Tau Corvi (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not in the current squad so the redirect there would not be useful and only played one match at world cup, an alternative could be Colonial Cup (rugby league), but lack of significant coverage makes delete seem a reasonable option. EdwardUK (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, thanks Tau Corvi (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Solčanský[edit]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage about this luger to meet WP:GNG. All I found on news websites were passing mentions of his participation at the tournament. He was not even on top three luge winners. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia on 18 November 2018, possibly due to BLP concerns. The only interlanguage wiki available is Norsk Bokmål (Norwegian) Wikipedia but it listed exactly the same sources as the English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep the article meets the notability criteria for athletes, having competed in the Winter Olympics and achieved notable rankings in World Championships and World Cups.Yakov-kobi (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from independent, reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG. Participating in the Olympics no longer grants inherent notability. Redirect as a WP:ATD per the nom. Let'srun (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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