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Zhu Zhigeng

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WP:NOTGENEALOGY. No significant coverage in reliable sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seneb-Neb-Af

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. If there should be ATD, then redirect. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Claudio Fernando de Aguiar

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Promotional also. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zachary David

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kehler

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Appears to fall under WP:BLP1E as he doesn't appear to have done anything else worth of note outside of anger the IRS. BangJan1999 21:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: Some coverage here [1] and [2]. Seems to have been notable in relation to Eisenberg as well. Oaktree b (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Resisting taxes for years isn't a single event. And he's also well known for his anti-Vietnam War actions, such as refusing the draft which received a large amount of news response at the time, and his anti-nuclear actions, all of which received significant coverage.

Not to mention there's an entire documentary about him. Silver seren^C 22:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per above. Just added another documentary that featured him. Leutha (talk) 22:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clear keep. There are thousands of individuals with articles who are far less notable, including dozens included in the List of peace activists. Given its stated rationale, the proposed AFD does not even seem to have been made in good faith. As already noted there are numerous reliable sources following his activities and career; he is the subject of a doc that has its own Wikipedia article; he was the leader for years of a national non-profit advocacy organization that had widespread popular and celebrity support; and his public discussion of his own draft resistance is what specifically moved Daniel Ellsberg (according to Ellsberg's autobiography) to release the Pentagon Papers. User:PDGPA User talk:PDGPA
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Keep. This Randy Kepler’s importance and influence will grow with time and history. 2601:193:8200:1884:EC0A:BE50:D3C9:AADE (talk) 12:23, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: BLP1E concerns one event. Not a lifetime of numerous well-documented events. That's like claiming that Barry Bonds wouldn't clear BLP1E because his notoriety was solely connected to baseball. Ravenswing 03:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. There seems to be sufficient coverage about the subject, although in local/regional publications, even before. Now, coverage is also present regarding his recent death. Prof.PMarini (talk) 06:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haz al-Din

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Subject fails WP:GNG. Most sources are links to social media sites (specifically YouTube and X) which aren't reliable. Also, COI issues are evident and possible self-promotion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nearly all of the current references are social media links which are pretty useless for a WP:BLP. The only ref I could find is from the Guardian [3]. I haven't spent hours searching for WP:RS. I would suggest this person fails WP:N WP:SIGCOV or WP:BIO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knitsey (talk • contribs) 22:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Obvious issues with notability, and the vast majority of the sources are directly from the subject's social media, and by no means are reliable. This article also suffers from clear political bias and MOS:PUFFERY (e.g. "He is renowned..."). The author also appears to be clearly invested in this topic and possess a conflict of interest. SociusMono1976 (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While this is somewhat separate from the content of this article (and therefore this should not be seen as a !vote), it's worth noting that this article was created by a user who repeatedly is seeking to recreate the page of a non-notable political party deleted at AfD, and has now instead pivoted to one about its founder (while again recreating the deleted one in two different new pages...).--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Page appears to have been created as an alternative workaround after other attempts to circumvent a page deleted at AfD were removed. That being said, I agree with the !votes above regarding the current sourcing (but am open to revising that pending different sources and after further research).--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Best I can find are a mention here [4] and here [5]. Daily Kos isn't a RS, the ADL was up for discussion for reliability recently... Regardless, two mentions don't work for RS and what's used in the article is primary/social media. Nothing we can use to prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 03:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Notability is not a matter of what the person says about themselves, nor even what their friends say about them. Notability is a matter of what independent sources have to say.Gronk Oz (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: spectacularly fails N and GNG. Stanley Joseph Wilkins (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Haider

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Fails WP:LASTING and WP:PERSISTENCE (a search for sources turned up little to no coverage beyond the initial reporting when the boy sadly died); and so fails WP:NEVENT. The previous AfD ended in no-consensus; but I think there's little to doubt about the lack of persistence of coverage anymore now, over two years later. Java Hurricane 17:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; also adding this quote from WP:EVENTCRIT: "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Astaire (talk) 20:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per reasons set out by the nominator. WWGB (talk) 07:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moath Al Qadi

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This player has not played at the international level, nor in a fully professional league. فيصل (talk) 06:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Even the basic information is incomplete. Svartner (talk) 23:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald S. Mangum

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The main notability claim here that I see is signing the open letter about Biden's health but his role isn't that large in that event WP:ONEEVENT

Everything else is fairly run-of-the-mill

Then of course there is the admitted CoI editing and page creation. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Richard Yagutilov

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this unreferenced article about a filmmaker and photographer, and cannot find reliable sources to add. I thought it possible the Gold Remi award from the WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival might make him notable, but this is not the highest award they give and I cannot find verification of the 2004 award winners. I do not think he is notable per WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NFILMMAKER. Tacyarg (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - In a BEFORE search, I am finding precisely nothing on this photographer/filmmaker other than his own user-submitted content, social media, YouTube uploads and the like. Zero significant coverage. Does not meet WP criteria for GNG, or NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shirin Towfigh

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Highly promotional article which doesn't seem to meet WP:NBIO or WP:NPROF. AlexandraAVX (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Purely promotional. Not notable – fails WP:NPROF. Ira Leviton (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Domonique Ramirez

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WP:BLP1E applies here, as there is no coverage present for this subject outside of a brief and non-significant controversy from a minor beauty pageant. Let'srun (talk) 14:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Mateer (musician)

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Almost no independent or reliable sourcing. Sourcing that is independent and reliable does not provide WP:SIGCOV, if it mentions the article subject at all which many of the sources in the article do not. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Thomas Mateer for a previous discussion which ended in the author (the same as for the current article) requested deletion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - This nomination is not even worth exerting energy on. There are articles/sources from Forbes, CNN, Seventeen Magazine, Teen Vogue, New York Daily News, BBC Three, ABC, NBC & Los Angeles Times. Many of these articles are exclusively written about the subject with zero involvement from the subject. There is also a German academic thesis cited — amongst other things — that speaks on the significance of the subject. Some of these articles from top news and media outlets on the globe even state having reached out to the subject for comment but received no reply. Excruciatingly blatant examples of independent, reliable and significant coverage.

WP:SIGCOV is satisfied and then some with this article & it’s sourcing.

🂡🂡9t5 19:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide some of those examples here? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ScottishFinnishRadish:

Forbes, Forbes again, CBS, CNN, Seventeen Magazine, Teen Vogue, New York Daily News, Philly Voice, BBC3, ABC, The Weather Channel & Los Angeles Times, Social Media Activism in the Obama Era - Thesis (p. 171-173 — labeled on the document as p. 166-168)

Not to be argumentative, but these are all available directly in the reference section of the article.

Regards, 9t5 (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no sigcov there. A paragraph about social media response to the assault in a non-peer reviewed paper, a few video clips about a storm, and some routine coverage of a single event does not establish notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you consider significant coverage if not an assault drawing attention from the national media to the lack of hate crime protections for LGBT people in Pennsylvania? As for the storm, there I suggest watching the documentaries referenced, all of which feature the subject. I am almost certain at one point there was also a reference to the inclusion of the subject in a recap of the year 2012 that was televised in the program "20/20".. I’ll have to look. You are asserting your personal opinion by regarding these things as insignificant, but given one of these events you suggest is insignificant was apparently significant enough for a German scholar to include it in her PhD thesis, and considering the article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies — perhaps it’s just significant events within the LGBT community that you find insignificant? I ask you kindly to take a look at this. Can you further elaborate on why you assert its insignificance, and furthermore can you reference sections of Wikipedia’s guidelines that back your stance? I look forward to your reply.

The Fordham Ram (US)

"Updating Gay Hate Crime Legislation"

January 18, 2021 · by: Jaclyn Weiner

MediaUpdate.co.za (ZA)

"Superstorm New York: What Really Happened"

November 14, 2012

PRNewswire (US)

"National Geographic Channel To Air First In-Depth Cable Documentary On Wrath And Destruction Of Hurricane Sandy In Superstorm 2012"

November 12, 2012

Stereo Stickman (US)

"John Mateer's 'New York Sound'"

January 16, 2024 · by: Rebecca Cullen

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (US)

"John Mateer: Hate crimes laws protect people like me - and you"

May 28, 2023 · by: John Mateer

Philly Voice (US)

"Man says he was beaten by PSU fraternity member because he's gay"

November 15, 2019 · by: Daniel Craig

Opposing Views (US)

"'Don't Let A Frat Guy Know That You're Gay': Teen Allegedly Beaten Up At Penn State"

March 8, 2018 · by: Amanda Andrade-Rhoades

StateCollege.com (US)

"Penn State Student Charged in Alleged Anti-Gay Assault"

October 15, 2015 · by: Zach Berger

Onward State (US)

"Penn State Altoona Student Charged Following Alleged Homophobic Assault"

October 15, 2015 · by: Megan Fleming

The Underground (US)

"Mateer's Assault and Homophobia at Penn State"

October 12, 2015 · by: Adam Tidball

Total Frat Move (US)

"Viral Tweet Accuses PSU Fraternity Member Of Beating Guy Up For Being Gay, Police Find Suspect Isn't Actually In Fraternity"

October 8, 2015 · by: Harrison Lee

Seventeen (US)

"Gay Teen Brutally Attacked Outside a Penn State Frat House"

October 8, 2015 · by: Elizabeth Denton

COED (US)

"Teen Claims PSU Student Assaulted Him For Being Gay"

October 7, 2015 · by: Alexa Lyons

Logo TV (US)

"GAY TEEN VICIOUSLY BEATEN AT PENN STATE AFTER REVEALING HE IS GAY"

October 7, 2015 · by: Matthew Tharrett

Gay Star News (US)

"Gay college student visiting Penn State comes out outside fraternity house, gets beaten"

October 7, 2015

Teen Vogue (US)

"This Teen Was Beaten Outside a Penn State Frat House After Revealing That He's Gay"

October 7, 2015 · by: Emma Sarran Webster

Edge Media Network (US)

"NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"

October 6, 2015

Pink News (GB)

"Police investigate alleged assault on college teen by 'frat member'"

October 6, 2015 · by: JOSEPH MCCORMICK

Edge (US)

"NY Teen Says Penn State Frat Member Beat Him Over Sexuality"

October 6, 2015

Towleroad (US)

"Police Investigating Alleged Anti-Gay Assault of Man at Penn State University"

October 6, 2015 · by: Ande Towle

Metro (US)

"Man claims he was gay bashed by Penn State frat guy"

October 6, 2015 · by: Matthew Lee

NY Daily News (US)

"Long Island teen claims Penn State fraternity member beat him for being gay: 'Don't let a frat guy know that you're gay'"

October 6, 2015 · by: Melissa Chan

Fox 5 New York (US)

"Police investigate possible anti-gay beating"

October 5, 2015

The Tab (US)

"Gay man allegedly beaten in North Burrowes assault"

October 5, 2015

Inside Edition (US)

"Police Investigate After Teen Says He Was Assaulted at Penn State University For Being Gay"
October 4, 2015 · by: IE Staff

Channel Guide Magazine (US)

"Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of 'Bouffants and Bingo'"

June 16, 2013 · by: Barb Oates

CBS 6 (US)

"Trees fall in NY neighborhood as Sandy comes ashore"

November 2, 2012 · by: Sandi Cauley

Forbes (US)

"Sandy Through The Eyes of YouTube and a Drone: Falling Trees, Fires and Flooding"

November 2, 2012 · by: Kashmir Hill

Pirman (ES)

"'Esto es el 'Apocalipsis'. Sandy videos: Caída de árboles. Fuego. Olas gigantes."

October 31, 2012

Aristegui Noticias (MX)

"'Frankenstorm' se llevó hasta los árboles en EU"

October 31, 2012

CNET (US)

"Sandy video: Falling trees. Fire. 'Apocalypse'"

October 31, 2012 · by: Chris Matyszczyk

Mashable (US)

"'This Is the Apocalypse' Video Shows Sandy Destruction"

October 30, 2012 · by: Stephanie Haberman

Klix (BA)

"Pogledajte s kakvom lakocom uragan Sandy cupa drvece"

October 30, 2012

BostInno (US)

"'Hurricane Sandy 3 Trees Fall and Fire' Becomes Next Double Rainbow Guy"

October 30, 2012 · by: Sam Dwyer

Regards, 9t5 (talk) 22:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And again, not to be argumentative but your nomination statement states:

Almost no independent or reliable sourcing.

I genuinely respect this project and certainly your role as an admin, but I am starting to become disheartened by certain editors who use privileges to take Wikipedia Policy & Guidelines and distort them in any way they need to in order to fit their argument.

A community leader should be more than willing to admit oversight or accept that while they hold a high seat, it’s meant to be used to enforce the policy that already exists as is not redefine it without consensus. I am respectfully concluding my involvement in this discussion as I would like to hear the opinions of our peers, but I wish you all the best and it was nice meeting you. 9t5 (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of that has significant coverage or anything that exceeds WP:ROUTINE or WP:BLP1E. You even included a source that the subject wrote. Many of these don't mention the article subject, e.g. Long Island Medium Season 4 recap of 'Bouffants and Bingo' Dumping lists of sources with no explanation of why or how they help establish notability isn't sufficient. Also, knock off the perhaps it’s just significant events within the LGBT community that you find insignificant? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - ScottishFinnishRadish Apologies, I did not comment on your mention of the first nomination discussion. That discussion took place before I developed the article and I requested speedy delete as the author to provide me time to develop the article. This was before I knew I could vote to draftify, which other contributors to the discussion were suggesting — including Liz, who personally reached out telling me she didn’t want me to give up on the article.

I am unsure why you believe that previous removal of an article at the authors request means that subsequent versions of the article are forevermore subject to deletion, even following development and appropriate sourcing.

I am interested to see how this discussion goes, but I stand behind this nomination being a waste of everyone’s time.

🂡🂡9t5 20:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please make your signature smaller. Geschichte (talk) 21:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per 9t5's list of sources above. I believe notability is reached. JoeJShmo^💌 09:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which of those sources do you believe provides significant coverage of the article subject? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elsie M. Frost

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Fails to pass the general notability guidelines. Zero coverage online beyond a couple of related obituaries. Article is mostly cited to her husband's book. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Zero evidence of notability. Given the article creator's tendency for posting AI-produced garbage I don't think a closer examination is necessary. Note that in such cases you can make a WP:BUNDLE nomination. Tercer (talk) 12:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable. Athel cb (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This appears to be the standard story of that time of a woman who became a schoolteacher, got married, and then vanished from the public record. I can't read the supposedly archived newspaper.com links, but [1] and [9] appear to be about her husband, [2] is a paid family death notice, [3-8] are neither independent nor reliably published, and [10] appears to be a brief marriage announcement. That is far from enough for GNG, the only relevant notability guideline. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Athanasios Tsakalidis

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Article reads as a resume, or a professor bio than that of an encyclopedic article. I really question WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as there just aren't very many sources coming up for him. I am also rather leery that 70% of the 10 references currently existing on the page are of works he (co)wrote. I see that there was a split decision on the AFD back in 2006 for this page, and the page does not seem to have improved in quality since then. Longer, yes, but quality... hmm. We seem to still be in the same state of, and I'll quote Melaen from that AFD here, "Looks very unpolished, could be cleaned up extensively. Seems NN, but I could be wrong.". I'm all for keeping articles of scientists, but basic criteria such as GNG must be met, and I'm just not seeing potential at this time. Opening up this discussion in the hopes I am wrong, and IF notability could be met, to shine some light on a page that needs a real overhaul. Currently though my vote is Delete. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete There is no notability. I've looked at the Greek-language sources and there's nothing beyond the trivial there either. An academic like millions of others. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment? Millions? How did you arrive at that figure? Nom seems to be unaware that WP:Prof may also be met. Subject has high GS citations, but in a very high cited field. Not sure. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
When I say there are millions of other academics, I mean that there's nothing special about his career that makes it stand out. If you could take a moment to clarify your position, it would be much appreciated. Now you're disrupting the consensus process just to disrupt it. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Senarath Liyana Arachchi

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Dan arndt (talk) 01:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhijeet Kumar Jatav

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Lost Lok Sabha seat and being a mayor of Bharatpur Municipal Corporation doesn’t automatically confer notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Christopher McGimpsey

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO. Being a councillor does not automatically confer notability, and criteria for GNG isn’t satisfied either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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W. David Marx

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Poorly referenced article that's mostly based on the subject's Spotify account and fails notability and it's also promotional Blanes tree (talk) 12:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, If you were to look into the references, they are not his Spotify account. They are reputable fashion broadcasts which have interviewed him. There is a big difference.

Secondly, as for Notability, the Wikipedia article reads: ""Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent." Journalism in the form of podcasts, to my understanding, do not fall under this.

Lastly, I will make an effort to add more reviews of his books to provide more scope as to the census on his work; does that suffice to make it less promotional? Theobrad (talk) 12:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To @Blanes tree: I think (hope?) you've misinterpreted Theobrad's comment as coming from @OwenX, who was simply doing routine maintenance. It would be nice if you would strike the rather condescending-sounding comments about Owen, who knows more than enough about notability. To @Theobrad: The podcast episodes are WP:INTERVIEWS, and as such are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and thus cannot demonstrate notability. No matter how prominent and reputable the podcasts are, they are not "independent," since an interview is the subject talking about himself and his work. Moreover, they are to be sparingly used on Wikipedia in general, only for "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts." Hope this helps provide some context. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment Owen× if you need help understanding notability and WP:NOT please seek it at the Treehouse.Blanes tree (talk) 12:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I beg your pardon? Owen× ☎ 12:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are gathered here today at this deletion discussion to discuss whether W.David Marx meets WP:NBIO. Please stay on-topic.Blanes tree (talk) 17:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you find that me adding this AfD to relevant deletion sorting categories was off-topic? Are you trying to be funny, or just having trouble figuring out who said what here? If you need help deciphering a project Talk page, please check out WP:TALK. Owen× ☎ 17:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Owen I'm really sorry. That message was intended for User:Theobrad Blanes tree (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries; these things happen. Owen× ☎ 19:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article needs cleanup; it relies too heavily on primary sources and does have a promotional tone. However, the subject passes the notability test of WP:AUTHOR under criterion 3 as the creator of a significant body of work, books that have been the primary subject of multiple independent reviews in periodicals. See New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Jacobin, and Inside Higher Ed reviews of Status and Culture and Boston Globe review of Ametora. Additional significant coverage in the NY Times (here, here and here) brings him over WP:GNG as well. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it needs cleaning, but you’re right it definitely passes notoriety. Theobrad (talk) 08:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is notoriety? Blanes tree (talk) 17:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i agree. its so poorly referenced. Likisa (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie D'Souza

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Non-notable comedian; refunded after soft deletion but no changes made since article was restored. Fails notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:ENTERTAINER. The vast majority of sources cited in this article are Q&A interview/podcast interviews and thus ineligible to count toward notability as primary sources. There are a handful of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in sources like this and two Chortle reviews for D'Souza's Fringe performances. I would need to see additional WP:SIGCOV for this to clear the bar, and BEFORE searches (both at time of original nomination and after the refund) did not turn any up. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Still no sourcing to speak of, [6] is a brief bio for a comedy festival. Other than that, what's used in the article is as the nom describes, brief mentions or un-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete,bunch of non RS sources from non notable podcasts, show announcement. Fails WP:GNG. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iikka Keränen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Digital Eel? IgelRM (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above or to Doom modding#Commercial WADs. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miika Huttunen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Pelaaja? IgelRM (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdulsalam Haykal

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sultan Sooud Al-Qassemi

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. Additionally, the article is written in a promotional tone.-- فيصل (talk) 16:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SNOW KEEP Notability is crystal clear. Good grief, how did this nomination get even made??? https://www.esquireme.com/culture/interviews/the-quiet-influence-of-sultan-al-qassemi; https://www.thenationalnews.com/lifestyle/travel/sultan-sooud-al-qassemi-new-york-breathed-life-into-me-1.772995; https://www.christies.com/en/stories/kawaba-highlights-from-the-barjeel-art-foundation-8a1457215d58408ead418602bce4bf1d; https://www.apollo-magazine.com/sultan-sooud-al-qassemi-apollo-40-under-40-global-the-collectors/; https://sharjah24.ae/en/Articles/2024/02/06/Sultan-Sooud-Al-Qassemi-teaches-modern-Middle-Eastern-art-at-AUS; https://en.vogue.me/culture/sultan-sooud-al-qassemi-arab-art-barjeel-art-foundation-sharjah-art-museum/; https://www.artnews.com/art-collectors/top-200-profiles/sultan-sooud-al-qassemi/; https://apps.npr.org/lookatthis/posts/al-qassemi/; https://english.alarabiya.net/variety/2016/01/12/Art-enthusiast-Sultan-Al-Qassemi-shares-Arab-art-stories-in-London-; https://www.arabnews.com/node/1111311/middle-east. The founder of Barjeel Art Foundation, MIT Media Lab Director’s Fellow from 2014 to 2016, practitioner-in-residence at the Hagop Kevorkian Center for Near Eastern Studies at New York University and Yale Greenberg World Fellow - visiting instructor at the Council of Middle East Studies at Yale University, the Center of Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University, the American University of Paris, the Islamic Civilization and Societies program at Boston College, the Middle East Initiative at the Harvard Kennedy School, the School of Arts and Sciences at Brandeis University, the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University, New York, and Bard College Berlin. Listed by Arabian Business as one of the world’s 100 Most Powerful Arabs. Published works include Al Qassemi, Sultan Sooud. “The Politics of Egyptian Fine Art: Giving a Voice to the People.” In Arab Politics Beyond the Uprisings: Experiments in an Era of Resurgent Authoritarianism, edited by Thanassis Cambanis and Michael Wahid Hanna, 240–268. New York: Century Foundation Press, 2017; “Toward Abstraction: The Case of Kuwait in the 1960s.” In Taking Shape: Abstraction from the Arab World, 1950s–1980s, edited by Suheyla Takesh and Lynn Gumpert, 107–115. Munich: Hirmer, 2020; Al Qassemi, Sultan Sooud, and Todd Reisz, eds. Building Sharjah. Basel: Birkhäuser, 2021.

Mohammed bin Musallam bin Ham al-Ameri

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Notable as a member of the Federal National Council. Mccapra (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saleh Al Abdooli

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhishek Kumar Srivastava

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I don't see the person passes WP:NPROF as well as WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete- No third party news organisation has reported specifically on him. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Very obvious case. While he has made a good start to his career, it is rare for associate Profs to meet WP:NPROF. Adequate but not notable publication record, no major awards, no major converage. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Searching for author AK-Srivastava and keyword corona finds citations that look headed to a successful academic career but are not at the level required for WP:PROF#C1 yet. No other notability criterion is evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails notability. 3 sources on the page that are poor and primary. Source 1 is the subject's own homepage. Source 2 has a comment made by the subject himself and Source 3 is a link to a research/book written by subject himself. I cannot find subject's work that has made a significant impact and achievement in their scholarly discipline (nationally or internationally) and demonstrated by independent reliable sources. RangersRus (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ola of Lagos

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Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Nothing much to add here, but there's just no credible claim of importance here. Mostly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No WP:SIGCOV from independent, reliable sources at this time; indeed WP:TOOSOON. Prof.PMarini (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This is a clear case of WP:TOOSOON as Ola of Lagos is not just yet notable at this time. I would be happy to change my !votes if more reliable, independent and in-depth sources are provided. Best, Reading Beans 00:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Broome

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Soft Delete, so no issue with recreation, however factors do not appear to have changed substantively since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocco Reed. No indication Broome meets notability requirements as either an entertainer or a religious figure. Star Mississippi 19:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: "Gay porn star to preacher" is an interesting, rather unusual career path. The CBN article now used is a RS, and I have this [7] in Fox News, this NY Post [8] which is a marginal source for entertainment news and this in another christian media [9]. I think we have enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a story in a newspaper about him [10]. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. The sources cited by Oaktree b seem to provide some proof of notability. The subject is not a politician, for which Fox may be considered a questionable source, and he used to be in the entertainment industry, for which NY Post has, although marginable, reliability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Hmmm... The Fox News, New York Post, Christian Post, and The Repository sources presented by Oaktree b appear to be interviews. I also found the subject being interviewed by Washington Times[11] and Evie Magazine[12]. While being interviewed by numerous media outlets is certainly proof of notability, fulfilling GNG cannot rely entirely on primary sources. I found several secondary sources from CBN[13][14], Daily Mirror[15], Mid-Day[16], and Maeil Business Newspaper[17]. These are definitely not the best sources, but the presence of these sources shows the subject person has secondary source coverage, and should also grant a pass for the primary sources to be considered as evidence of notability per WP:IV. So with both the primary and secondary sources presented in this discussion, I believe the subject person should pass GNG. Besides, I am not familiar with the American pornographic industry, so I cannot tell whether XBIZ Awards and AVN Awards are significant awards, but the numerous wins and nominations may also contribute to passing NACTOR or ANYBIO imo. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Lopez Luz

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WP:BLP of a photographer, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for photographers.
This is trying for "notability because awards", but that doesn't just indiscriminately hand an automatic notability freebie to every winner of just any award that exists: an award has to itself be notable as an award before it can make its winners notable for winning it. So notability can only derive from awards that can be shown to pass WP:GNG -- that is, the source for the award claim has to be evidence that the media consider said award to be significant enough to report its winners as news, and cannot just be the award's own self-published primary source content about itself. But the award claims here are referenced to a primary source rather than a reliable one, and that's the only source in the entire article, to boot.
Since I can't read Spanish and don't have access to the kind of archived Mexican media coverage that it would take to improve this, I'm willing to withdraw this nomination if somebody with better access to such tools can find enough to salvage it, but nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have more than just a single primary source for referencing. Bearcat (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: some coverage of this person [18] and [19]. The first mostly gives a critical explanation of his work. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Amit Malviya

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Fails WP:NPOL, Till date he has not won any election, he is just the head of the IT cell of the ruling party, whose job is to spread fake news all day long. You can also read about his fake news here. Youknow? (talk) 15:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The previous AfD you nominated was closed as Keep, as consensus determined he meets GNG. There is no need to meet NPOL if GNG is met. What is your opinion on this? GrabUp - Talk 15:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Grabup, Thank you for your comment.
Most politicians who contest elections or are at least active in politics meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines WP:GNG. Therefore, even if they fail to meet the specific criteria outlined in WP:NPOL they should still be considered for having Wikipedia articles.? What is your opinion on this? Youknow? (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: Yes, NPOL is an additional criteria, and the General Notability Guideline (GNG) is the main or core guideline to establish notability. If a person or a subject meets any of additional criteria or GNG, then they will be considered notable. For example, let’s assume this politician does not meet GNG or NPOL, but he wrote some books that received reviews from multiple independent reliable sources. Then he will meet WP:AUTHOR, so the person will be treated as notable even if he fails GNG or NPOL. Hope this clears things up. GrabUp - Talk 16:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: Hey do you agree that the person meets GNG? GrabUp - Talk 07:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to say but your argument is not logical. According to this reasoning, Wikipedia should abolish its criteria for politicians (WP:NPOL). If everyone is to be judged by the same Wikipedia's general criteria (WP:GNG), then what is the need for having specific criteria? Because every local leader also passes the general criteria. Even a person who loses an election meets the general criteria in some way or another. So, should all of them also have a standalone Wikipedia article? Youknow? (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: No, your thinking is wrong. During the general election in India, I saw nearly 50 articles about politicians that were deleted via AfD. Not every politician meets GNG, and not every politician meets NPOL. These criteria are necessary. Here are some examples of past AfDs.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pratikur Rahaman

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emaan Singh Mann

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kriti Singh Debbarma

GrabUp - Talk 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can show you hundreds of such politicians who are passing the WP:BASIC, but are not on Wikipedia because they are not passing the WP:NPOL. Anyway, there is no point in arguing. Let the rest of the editors decide. Youknow? (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as below:

~~Delete~~ : Probably doesn't meet NPOL, but he doesn't seem to be a politician... He also doesn't meet FILM, but he's not a film, so the nom seems incorrect. In addition to the sources from last time, this [20] and this [21] show coverage, more than enough to meet notability, GNG in particular. Oaktree b (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b: Hey, I think you put the wrong vote. You said he meets GNG, so why did you vote Delete? Maybe it was a mistake? GrabUp - Talk 16:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, good catch. I wanted to !keep. Let me fix it. Oaktree b (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Clearly meets GNG. It seems the nominator thought politicians must had to pass NPOL to establish notability, even if they pass GNG, which is incorrect. Notability will be established if any of the criteria are met. GrabUp - Talk 16:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:GNG Madeforall1 (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are many people who have numerous media sources writing about them but this doesn't makes them notable. The subject in this case seems to be affiliated to biggest political party of India and hence we can see good number of sources about them. However, most of them appears to be paid articles. I recall how one of my article Vikas Shakya was deleted despite having many sources. The reason sought was paid editorials being used as sources. Here, in this case, it is possible that we are witnessing same case. The person is clearly not fulfilling WP:NPOL as he has not been elected to even local level body and I doubt the sources used are free from bias.-Admantine123 (talk) 13:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Çomment WP:NPOL is *not* a guideline that can be failed, that is, if a subject does not satisfy the criteria it does not mean they are not notable for Wikipedia. NPOL is an inclusive measure, not exclusionary. NPOL sits separately from the GNG because it provides "presumed notability" - the idea being that a person elected to office is generally likely to have SIGCOV in reliable sources. FWIW, no comments to date have indicated why sourcing presently in the article does not satisfy the GNG. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Didem (belly dancer)

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Fails wp:np, sources are scarce, and I believe it should be deleted. فيصل (talk) 08:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems to have been talked about [22] [23] and has influenced others [24] Oaktree b (talk) 14:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per @Oaktree b. She has significant, regular coverage in the mainstream Turkish news media, spanning a large period. Also adding another reliable source.

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Stephen J. Budd

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We do not need to have an article on every single person who has been convicted of horrendous local sex crimes. All coverage is rotm trial coverage from publications located in Palm Beach, Florida. After he got convicted it was seemingly never mentioned again. This is exclusively a local affair of one city. This is also a BLP, which is an extra sign we shouldn't have this. If the school still had a page I'd say merge there but we don't. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NEVENT with no significant coverage outside local sources and no lasting effects. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 04:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coverage is not just local and there is a lasting effect, too. He was a registered teacher in Pennsylvania which revoked his registration in 2017. See these items [25], [26] which are not cited in the article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's more database listings than coverage so I find that it doesn't really help the case. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also this news report. [27] from 2017. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not really meeting criminal notability, might even be 1E territory, being known for doing horrible things, but nothing otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Julius Ford

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It does not appear that this individual is notable independent of the shooting to which most of the article's content is devoted. I'm not sure whether the shooting is itself notable, so am ambivalent between outright deletion of the article versus moving and refocusing on the shooting. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you dont know, why are you requesting a delete? 2600:1016:B00A:CEAE:5186:245E:BC5B:563D (talk) 03:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both deletion and moving are appropriate outcomes for AFDs. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails NEVENT. I did a decently extensive search and while there are a decent amount of later mentions in books (because the motive was religious at least in part) and academic studies, not one of these mentions are sigcov, news coverage fell off the radar pretty fast.

I'm kind of surprised this article managed to survive like this for 18 years. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:NEVENT with no significant coverage or apparent lasting effects after the event. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 04:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Benedict Apugo

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An article about a politician that doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Endorsing politicians, and speaking on TV can make you appear on the news but the coverage may be your statements and quotes; same issue here. I want a community consensus on this. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello safari, this man here is a notable man being discussed in schools and very popular. for some reason, he has no social media presence. 70% OF the articles i cited are all on the WP:NGRA. there are far less personalities who worked under this man such as Theodore Orji , Orji Uzor Kalu and many more who have wikipedia articles. and as a young 19 year old girl studying history i ran into this mans story in a book called "Ibeku in igbo History", which i am not sure i can cite on the internet because it's an ancient cultural hard copy book.

If you want this book i can scan it to your email. the book is uploaded on scribd.com by someone and in it, this man was mentioned, but i'm not sure if i can cite that since its a Scribd upload done in 2020 or so.

Some articles i cited also spoke about him as a person and every person growing up here in eastern region of Nigeria knew BB Apugo. You can do more research yourself on this person to see i have put in the work before submitting to wiki and my goal in wiki is not bringing people with huge online presence, but working as hard as possible to include articles that are known about in real life but not spoken about on the internet with every possible info i have.

I will continue to cite more sources and keep working to make sure i include more info and I am sure other people will to by the time they see the article on him. Yinka Williams (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yinka Williams see Wikipedia:Offline sources. You can 100% use offline sources, even if they are difficult to access for other editors. If you decide to use offline sources, we recommend you add identifiers (such as ISBN or WorldCat) so that other editors can more easily access those resources. Broc (talk) 10:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ! can i Include the link to the book on scribd ? and also if i'm using the ISBN how do I ethically include the page and chapter of the book or any more details i wish to help editors with. Thanks Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not include the link, as it is unclear whether the content was uploaded to Scribd with the copyright owner's permission, per WP:COPYLINK. Broc (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just got a hold of the ISBN and cited. Thank you. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draftify: Per the creator, people familiar with Igbo history will recognize that she is correct. Therefore, I suggest either draftifying or keeping the article. Send down the rain (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the thought of Igbo people knowing about such word. Although there is practically WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS during the 1980s and 1990s in Nigeria, it doesn't illustrated that a non notable person can have a Wikipedia article. I think @Yinka Williams believes that seeing people in the news automatically shows notability. Absolutely no. I don't see how Apugo meets WP:GNG—even endorsing people—an act that can be done by any politician. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe thanks for the remark, Also you mentioned a word igbo people don't know about, please what word is it ?

secondly, i will respectfully tell you that he is a notable person, more notable than a few names i see here. The reason i used the news articles, some of which are dated as far back as 2007 are because those are the only articles i could find on him. Not that those are his achievements and i think you misinterpreted it. I also put up some pictures of him i could find with some of Nigeria's historical presidents and vice presidents, and an editor removed it stating that "being with notable persons does not contribute towards his notability" (and truthfully i disagree in my opinion, because there is no way this man would have ever had a seat with Presidents and Vice presidents especially in 70s, 80s and 90s if he wasn't notable, and the most interesting part is THEY visited him) also i have videos of top Canadian political representatives visiting this man in the early 2000s which i am trying to get to his parody youtube so it can be posted. Other arguments can be made, but this mans notability is not one of them. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can take a look at the book if you really want to verify. I mean a quick google search can pull up the book "Ibeku in Igbo History" which i cited with the pages referencing him. The news articles are a bonus and not to represent him. this man had a whole 11 pages written on him in a historical book. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I find a number of mentions of B.B. Apugo indicating his notability. Take for example "The strong man of Abia politics, Ochiagha Benjamin Benedict Apugo has finally broken his silence on the 2023 governorship race in Abia, by endorsing the candidate of the All Progressives Congress (APC), Chief Ikechi Emenike." [28], "The acclaimed strong man of Abia politics and member of the Board of Trustees of the party, Prince Benjamin Benedict Apugo (popularly known as B.B.) is 53 years old today. Friends and political associates would converge at his expansive estate at Nkata Ruling House in Umuahia-Ibeku, Abia State to clink the good wine glasses in festivity. The State Governor, Chief Orji Uzor Kalu and political gladiators in the State would be on hand to celebrate a political personality that has blossomed through the aeons of time. Apugo has played the godfather's role in the political evolution of the State. He has also cut a niche for himself as a peacemaker and a conciliator, bringing together opponents to dialogue and to make concessions in the interest of peace and stability of the State. He does not look for public office. Rather, he prefers to be a rallying point and political pathfinder for his people, providing, as it were, the direction to go each time they are confronted with choices." [29] "B. B. Apugo ( a member of the board of trustees ) , campaigned on the platform of reversing all the anomalies of party management introduced during the Obasanjo regime . Although he did not win , it was clear that this stand was taken seriously by Yar'Adua and many party members" [30], "other prominent party members that left were Chief Sam Mbakwe, Chief B.B. Apugo and Senator Polycaro Nwite." [31], " A prominent Chieftain of the All Progressives Congress (APC) and Member of the National Board of Trustees, Prince B.B Apugo has expressed" [32], "The crisis rocking Abia APC is getting messier by the day following accusations and counter-accusations of betrayal between the camps of two chieftains of the party in Abia," [33], "Abia State High Court, sitting in Umuahia, has adjourned till February 16 a N1.5 billion defamation suit filed by ex-Gov. Theodore Orji against a chieftain of the All Progressives Congress, APC, Prince Benjamin Apugo." [34] --Soman (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman thank you for doing your due diligence on the article. From experience, it takes devotion to get these sources and I'm glad you put in that work to verify the legitimacy of these paragraphs. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- the article is correct, I personally applaud her for taking on such an article, there are numerous offline mentions on Apugo and as an Igbo man from Anambra state myself, I heard about ochiagha ibeku growing up. People are familiar with this story. Bill onyenma (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes ! thank you 👍🏽 Yinka Williams (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - whilst there might be cleanup issues in article, again I think notability is not an issue. Looking at more wordings in national Nigerian news media (BOLD added by me), "New twist as powerful APC BoT member reveals top southeast state Peter Obi will win. Chief Ochiagha Benjamin Apugo, ..." ([35]), "ELDER statesman and founding member of Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Prince Benjamin Apugo is a respected grassroot politician in Abia State and there is no doubt about it. He played key roles in the success of the party in Nigeria and Abia in 1999 and 2003. In 2007, his party lost his State to PPA and Apugo went into political limbo as crisis and counter- crisis tore PDP apart in the state and national level." ([36], albeit letter to editor by reader), "Apugo, who is the embattled son of an elder statesman, Chief Benjamin Apugo, said the essence of the ritual, considered very deadly in Igboland, was to make his father to accept him and accord him the full status as his first son in line with Igbo tradition. " ([37]), "Nigeria: PDP BoT Member Gives Reason for Defecting to APC" ([38]), "Apugo, BOT member of APC, popularly also called, Oparaukwu Ibeku, (First son of Ibeku) by his people and in reverence to his immense contributions to his community." ([39]), "Prince Benjamin Apugo is the Co- ordinator of the opposition All Progressives Congress ( APC) in the Southeast geopolitical zone" ([40]), "ONE of the founding fathers of Abia State and an elder statesman, Prince Benjamin Apugo," ([41]). See also interview in national newspaper like this one, as well as this piece and this interview. Have a look at this press statement from the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC Finally Arrests APC Chieftain, Benjamin Apugo for N36m Land Scam (on a side-note, see how the word 'finally' is added by the press dept of the institution itself), there was plenty of press coverage on the affair. There is this piece issued by the Federal Ministry of Information, "A chieftain of the All Progressive Congress (APC) and elder statesman, Prince Benjamin Apugo has expressed happiness with the leadership style of Governor Alex Otti in Abia state,saying that Abia has come to stay under him. Prince Apugo was speaking in an interview with news men after a private visit to the Governor in his country home, Nvosi, IsialaNgwa South LGA. ". And so forth. Albeit the usual concerns on quality of Nigerian national news media, it is fairly evident that Apugo is a prominent personality whose actions and statement are frequently reported upon. Moreover if we had access to print media archives from 1980s and 1990s, it is very likely notability would be further reaffirmed. --Soman (talk) 09:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes ! thank you @--Soman (talk). I can verify that i also came across these articles and they are reliable. He did a lot of great things also, but i was making sure to sound neutral so i did not include. Haha ! thank you once again for researching and confirming. Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have analysed the sources above and they are good for me. I am keeping per WP:HEY. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

9MOTHER9HORSE9EYES9

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This is a plainly crufty and publicity-seeking article for a random, low-profile redditor who was never notable, and certainly hasn't been even plausibly relevant in at least eight years. See the Google Trends for this user: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=_9MOTHER9HORSE9EYES9&hl=en

Even when this user was receiving a bit of attention from blogs, their notability was highly questionable, and now - years on - it seems to me patently ludicrous that this, frankly, nobody warrants an encyclopedic entry. The tone of the copy is also the sort of overwrought interest common to writers trying to puff themselves (or their friends) up.

On a personal level, I can think of a dozen amateur fiction and fanfiction writers with greater impact than this user, and I wouldn't say they're notable either. Yes yes, Wikipedia:Other things exist, but I'm really shocked this highly unserious bio withstood an AfD the first time around. Garnet Moss (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Articles about Redditors require enough citations to garner notability. It would be worth movable to a Fandom wiki, however it cannot mix with CC-BY-SA 3.0 text, it should have been rewritten. Withdrawn. Keep as it has enough coverage of the subject. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep you didn't really provide any good reasons for deleting this article other than you considering him an non-notable nobody, but that's not how it goes. Notability is not based on personal opinion, it's based on if the person was covered by major notable reliable sources, which this person was. Bonus Person (talk) 01:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A forum fiction writer getting some blog press does not a notable entry make. There’s no way in hell this user passes the (admittedly non-binding) ten-year rule, and the whole page reeks of recentism and publicity-seeking. Without resorting to vulgar comparison-shopping, if every topic which merited a Gizmodo or Verge article was considered notable, the landscape of Wikipedia would look very different. This is not an encyclopedic article. Garnet Moss (talk) 01:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure calling The Guardian, Inverse, Vice, or The Verge "blogs" is a very strong argument. Also not sure recentism really applies when The Guardian article was written 8 (nearly 10!) years ago. C F A 💬 02:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The publicity policy you linked says:

"The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic worth writing and publishing non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter."

Sources like The Guardian and BBC News are independent and reliable, they aren't just random crufty press blogs. Obviously this article would encourage people to read the stories, but that alone does not make it publicity.

The recentism page also says
"Similarly, a person who receives a temporary blip of news coverage for a single incident or event is not necessarily an appropriate topic for a standalone biographical article, if their notability claim is not likely to still be of sustained public interest in the next few decades."

This is not about an event or incident, the page is talking about published stories. People in 10 years will know that this is talking about a horror writer, even if they don't know what Reddit is. Bonus Person (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets GNG. See this story in The Guardian, this article (and this one) in Inverse, this article in Vice, this article in the BBC, this article in The Verge, and this story by Gizmodo. C F A 💬 02:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into List of creepypastas or Reddit#Community_and_culture? The current title is virtually un-navigable and should instead describe the "author's work". IgelRM (talk) 20:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment tempted to vote delete WP:IAR. A weird-Reddit commenter doesn't become notable just because he has friends who are lazy journalists (and when there is a piece in The Verge about somebody who started posting weird comments 1 day ago, it is safe to assume there is a pre-existing relationship). There is no claim of sustained coverage. Unless there are sources from after 2016, this should probably be deleted, appeals to GNG be damned. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A strange argument, but there is coverage after 2016 if that's what you're looking for:

Westling, C.E.I.; Palmer, S.; McKinney, J.; Di Benedetto, S.A. (2020). Immersion and Participation in Punchdrunk's Theatrical Worlds. Performance and Design. Bloomsbury Publishing. p. 177. ISBN 978-1-350-10197-5.
Skains, R.L. (2022). Neverending Stories: The Popular Emergence of Digital Fiction. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 978-1-5013-6493-8.
Stuart, Thomas M. (1 October 2018). "The vast and omnivorous cloud". Horror Studies. 9 (2): 151–160. doi:10.1386/host.9.2.151_2. ISSN 2040-3275.
Crawford, Joseph (1 July 2019). "Chapter 5 Gothic Digital Technologies". Twenty-First-Century Gothic. Edinburgh University Press. doi:10.1515/9781474440943-007. ISBN 978-1-4744-4094-3.

I have yet to see a reasonable reason to delete. C F A 💬 03:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, yes, that was the "sustained" coverage I was looking for to show this was something other than a forgotten publicity stunt. Keep. Walsh90210 (talk) 03:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we're talking IAR, sure, let's talk principles. How would deleting this article benefit the encyclopedia? We have enough information to write about, and the subject is a great example of internet phenomena and life in the modern age. Assuming that there's nepotism going on here also doesn't seem very good faith of you (remember, AGF applies to all people, not just editors). Aaron Liu (talk) 03:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welp, (edit conflict). Aaron Liu (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per CFA. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep the sources that covered this subject suggests bare notability. Plutocow (talk) 04:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think it should stay because this article has a unique and important part of internet culture with a lot of coverage from trustworthy sources. Removing it would mean losing valuable information about a notable and interesting online event. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject passes GNG.★Trekker (talk) 14:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kalidas Madhu Sadhwani

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Couldn't find any sources proving existence; only websites mentioning him are Wikipedia mirrors, and a search on Google scholar gives nothing. Written by a user (Reims66) whose only four edits were about this person. None of the sources I went through when rewriting the Sultanate of Bijapur article even gave a passing mention, so even if this person did exist, I doubt many reliable academic sources are mentioning him or giving significant coverage. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No sources on the page. I am not able to find even any trivial information on the subject from Google book search. It is clear that the subject is not notable even in history to warrant a page on Wikipedia. Fails, WP:GNG and WP:HISTRS. RangersRus (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V. If we had something to go on, a book, a thesis, anything, we could at least userfy or redirect it. Right now, without any sources or way to verify him, it could be a hoax or original research, so we should delete it outright. Bearian (talk) 01:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

De'Anyers family

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WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I don't think any reliable sources cited or available elsewhere provide significant coverage of the article subject, instead providing lots of tangential mentions that do not by themselves confer notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not an accurrate statement, the sources listed are entirley comprehensive, I ask which ones precisely are 'tangential'.

Notability is sufficent as seen in the extensive sources primary and secondary. Starktoncollosal (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to discuss which sources in particular do not provide significant coverage and see where we go from there, I am aware that there are yes a significant number of sources used which may convey this, however are consolidated by a number of reliable and imparital sources used in this article as well as other articles of a similar nature which cover landed families. Starktoncollosal (talk) 08:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

proposing Keep, I have had a look through the source list comprehensivley and would very much like to discuss this and see if we can reach a consensus.at some point ? several main sources used for the article are all impartial and well known genealogical publications - Burkes, Ormerods, ect. The Battle Abbey Role by the Duchess of Cleveland published I believe in the 1890s covering the families on the scroll, also a book on a biography of the family. Other verified wikipedia pages exist for 3 members of the family listed on the page as well as others not mentioned (artists William Daniell and Thomas Daniell, and Thomas Daniel)

The issue is perhaps the interchangable use of De'Anyers and Daniell between sources however this I have found to be the historical case.. in looking to upload several Van Dyck portraits (Peter Daniell MP) and his sister and aunt I have found them to be listed as De'Anyers however it is the same family.

I am happy to explore and make any edits you may suggest ? (I wondered if perhaps some paragraphs could be slimmed down slightly). However based on pages existing for other identical landed families in Cheshire (several of whom intermarried and are included in the Daniell article) and based on historical significance, and the other reasons mentioned It has its place on wiki, and just needs fleshing out being comparativley newer, which I was activley working on :). Starktoncollosal (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources go into significant prose depth on the family? Keep in mind that genealogies and other directories are not SIGCOV. Coverage of individual members of the family does not count towards notability of the family. Primary sources and passing mentions do not count at all. JoelleJay (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

source 6 - A Biography written on the family, and 1 certainly are the first to spring to mind. Can I ask the issue with primary sources coming from an academic writing background in early modern history i thought inclusion of these would bolster an articles notability and conslodiate its relevance ? I understand that for one or two members having pages not warranting a notability claim but surley the case can be made for, as seen in other noble families pages, members consistently throughout an extended time period having influence (as nobility did), - thus warranting notability ? Starktoncollosal (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Imre Vallyon

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I'm nominating this page for deletion again because the initial discussion lacked sufficient engagement and the sources provided were inadequate in both quality and quantity. There's a notable absence of substantial coverage of Imre Vallyon, his work, or his organisation in multiple reliable secondary sources. Meeting notability criteria typically requires presenting at least three such sources. The article from Stuff, while primarily focused on his legal issues, appears to be the only source that meets these criteria. Without it, the page is mostly information sourced by primary sources and a list of his self published books and ebooks.

In terms of Vallyon's notability as a writer, the two book reviews presented by Oaktree b in the previous discussion are clearly poor sources, as they seem to be paid content from freelance writers on unreliable websites. Additionally, Vallyon does not meet the criteria for notability as a criminal according to Wikipedia guidelines on crime perpetrators, despite the only significant coverage of him focusing on his legal issues. His organisation, FHL, does not seem to meet the notability standards either. Ynsfial (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep has enough to meet WP:GNG. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for Ynsfial - it seems pointless making multiple attempts to have this article deleted as the previous Afd covered the arguments in sufficient depth. I suggest you look at the deletion review process if you consider there is an issue. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, deletion review is the wrong avenue here. It was a no consensus close, and closed over 2 months ago. It is perfectly fine to bring it back for another look. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Thank you.Ynsfial (talk) 18:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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’’’Keep’’’ He’s a convicted pedophile. Where’s the good in deleting this? Meets WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:E9F:8340:51A7:F4CD:CE5C:4B8B (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as thin as it is, the media coverage in New Zealand and the Netherlands establishes WP:GNG in my opinion. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 01:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Looks like an attempt to delete the history to me. It happened before that talented people did crimes (Roman Polansky etc.) and encyclopedia must show the good and the bad. There had been "no consensus" discussion before and my position here is that the person is a notable author and notable criminal and convicted felon at the same time. Also, I see it as a strange attempt from another editor and I have COI concerns here. If the page stays, I suggest to monitor it carefully for any future attempts to delete the historical record.--Saul McGill (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. I don't think the Dutch NOS article mentioned above provides significant enough coverage. I'd say awards won aren't enough for notability, but this might be worth looking into further. @Saul McGill:, I don't see how he fulfills WP:PERPETRATOR or WP:AUTHOR. He fails all the criteria for both. Mooonswimmer 01:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor Geezy

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This fails WP:NCREATIVE, and overall, WP:GNG based on WP:SIGCOV and WP:MILL. The award they won is not significant enough to help them pass, if they had 'won' their 'nomination's, that would be a different case, just merely being nominated at NEA isn't significant enough. The noms are unsourced while the piece the award they won is sourced to is an unreliable one from a marginally reliable publication (WP:NGRS). Taking a close look at the sources, they are mostly WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and unreliable pieces and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. I am skeptical about the notability of G-Worldwide Entertainment itself. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: winning a non-notable award isn't notable, the rest of the sources are puffy entertainment/lifestyle sources, not really helping notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: nominated for a notable award twice in 2015 and 2017.--Afí-afeti (talk) 07:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV(both in the Nigerian media and in foreign ones). At least you can look at the Nigerian Wikipedia article and find several sources. I’m not sure about WP:NMUSIC, but it’s not the main criteria anyway. Tau Corvi (talk) 08:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tau Corvi You clearly don't know how the general notability guideline works. For an subject to have a standalone page on Wikipedia, they have to be the subject of discussions from multiple secondary sources that are independent of the subject, reliable and provides a substantial coverage of the subject. These are needed to pass WP:GNG, a subject doesn't just pass SIGCOV to qualify for a standalone page. Even the SIGCOV you claim it passes is even not exactly correct because that is not the case. I understand you're a new user, you may need to familiarise yourself with the policies and guidelines before venturing into AfDs. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : If an Award has been reviewed, has a Wikipedia page and meets the WP:GNG then it’s notable. But reference from reliable source that are independent of the subject are needed to be cited for proof. The fact he has Won, being Nominated for notable awards, contributed to the notable movie Suga Suga (film) as an executive producer makes him passes WP:ANYBIO and notable. Per source cited on the article, subject passes WP:GNG. If the award section can be addressed then my vote is a Keep. Please to the AFD nominator theirs no point responding to me. I’m not here to argue unreasonably or pick sides. My word still stands per Wikipedia article guideline.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lack of any notability, and to be blunt, no claim to fame; even if everything is true, I don’t see what’s notable. Producers are not inherently notable. We’ve gone over this many time and we’re unlikely to change. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dokibird

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All the coverage in the article is from February 2024 when she left the entertainment company Nijisanji. Beyond that, I've found two reliable sources that do not cover this topic (Siliconera 1, Siliconera 2). Wikipedia's notability criteria discourages articles on people notable for only one event, which this article seems to cover. Most of the content featured in the article also seems to be a content fork of the article Nijisanji. I suggest deleting the article or turning it into a redirect to the Nijisanji article. ArcticSeeress (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rewrite to remove all references to her previous identity as Selen. Otherwise, redirect to Nijisanji. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 04:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why remove the previous identity User:Hansen Sebastian, I don't see any BLP or privacy issues. Nfitz (talk) 02:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you found two other reliable sources, User:ArcticSeeress , for different events, and this "event" has significant international coverage (has anyone checked in other languages?) in major publications, such as in India], then surely GNG applies, and WP:1E doesn't apply? I feel I'm missing something. Nfitz (talk) 02:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you found two other reliable sources - Maybe I should have worded my opening statement better. I only found one reliable source (Siliconera) that talks about the subject beyond the single event, per WP:GNG: "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability".

and this "event" has significant international coverage (has anyone checked in other languages?) in major publications, such as in India, then surely GNG applies, and WP:1E doesn't apply - I'm not sure I understand this. WP:1E makes no reference to the geographic breadth of the sources. The coverage being international does not change the fact that most of it is about a single event. Also, I could not find sources in any other languages; sources generally also have the original word in Latin writing, so I'm certain you could find them pretty easily by searching "Dokibird". ArcticSeeress (talk) 16:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexander Heid

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References, when reliable, do not provide significant coverage of the subject to meet WP:BASIC.

Rolling Stone primarily covers HackMiami, mentions Heid in passing as an organizer of the event.
Financial Times quotes Heid in relation to the 2017 Equifax data breach.
Ars Technica doesn't mention Heid in the article at all. Brandon (talk) 05:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, seems to meet WP:GNG per these two sources [42][43] which give sigcov but are not cited in the article. The RollingStone could also be of support because the subject is mentioned in at least three paragraphs. But almost all sources cited in the page fail notability requirement as the subject received zero mentions. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, seems to meet WP:GNG per the above referenced sources [1][2] which give significant coverage, the subject was the lead involved in all media interations for the content of the articles. The RollingStone article was coordinated by Heid as he is the founder of the HackMiami organization and the lead media liaison, and assisted in the entire process all the way through fact checking with RollingStone editors - additionally, as reverenced above the subject is mentioned in at least three paragraphs in the RS article.

Re: Financial Times - Heid was not only quoted in Financial Times but his discoveries were published in Forbes and referenced by a Senate Commission which names his employer at the time, and he was also the lead PR liaison with that as well - disclosing his discoveries directly to the press.

The Ars Technica article's content was based on a cybersecurity publication authored by Heid during his tenure at Prolexic, which received significant coverage. Infosecwiki (talk) 12:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Infosecwiki (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

You've added Youtube videos to the article but those are not considered reliable sources. I had removed the ones previously in the article. Please do not continue to add these. Lamona (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to HackMiami. The sources in the article are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of Heid, or else WP:PRIMARYSOURCES like patents or official bios and WP:PROMO fluff like "top 1000-cited papers on blockchain" (look closer: his paper on this list was cited just twice). The sources identified by Ednabrenze do not qualify. The Russ Banham article is self-published. (While it might otherwise count as WP:EXPERTSPS, given his reputation, the policy is very clear to "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.") The Caplin News article is published by Heid's alma mater FIU and written to spotlight him as an alumnus; it fails the test of independence. The sources not holding up to standalone notability, a redirect is an appropriate AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reference the JSTOR, the Blockchain paper was cited over 38 times and has been circulating for over 11 years. Infosecwiki (talk) 16:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Vote to Keep:~~ The Caplain News article is not an article highlighting alumni, as Heid never graduated from FIU and only attended for a few years in the early 2000s. The Caplain News Article was written by an independent journalist, Antonio Gimenez has authored numerous pieces on cybersecurity luminaries such as YTCracker, his interview subjects have no affiliateion to FIU unless it is coincidence. FIU will not claim the subject as a graduate, hence proof this is not an alumni fluff piece.

The Russ Banham article is not self published, as the self publishing requirement would dictate that the subject need write the article on their own - Russ Banham is a third party journalist who interviewed the subject and the article was synicated on various outlets. Infosecwiki (talk) 16:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, please read WP:SPS. It doesn't only refer to material by the subject, it refers to any self-published source and Banham is publishing the article on his own site like a blog. I agree, he's an expert reporter, but the policy explicitly restricts self-published sources from being used on BLPs. As for the FIU piece, it specifically describes Heid as a former student (alumnus does not necessarily mean graduate) and it's thus not independent. Finally, please stop !voting "keep" with every comment. You've !voted three times and it appears that you are trying to throw off the conversation. One !vote is enough. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback. I will put it into practice. I updated the reference to include more than just the Caplain article. Infosecwiki (talk) 22:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sourcing in the article is patents, and articles that mention the person in passing. Nothing found for notability otherwise, some PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Patent links removed, replaced with relevant notable content such as documented association with John McAfee. Citations updated for missing citation on conferences. Infosecwiki (talk) 16:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In regards to above, i vote for ~~Keep~~ Infosecwiki (talk) 16:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infosecwiki, you can only "vote" once so I struck your duplicate votes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Infosecwiki, do you have a WP:CONFLICTOFINTEREST that you need to disclose? Above you state that Heid is "the lead media liaison, and assisted in the entire process all the way through fact checking with RollingStone editors." You also state that "he was also the lead PR liaison" on the Financial Times piece. Neither the Rolling Stone nor FT pieces say that Heid coordinated the PR process, and the HackMiami site does not say that either. That's the kind of information that, if true, could only be obtained by someone affiliated with or otherwise close to Heid and HackMiami. That plus the fact that you have only edited on these two topics raises concern that you may have an undisclosed conflict of interest. Can you address this? (P.S. If Heid was involved, as you say, in the production of these articles, that would argue against them being able to meet the independence standard required for notability.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am referring to old Twitter discussions that I remember observing from years ago when the articles were released, I do not have any proof of these claims in present day 2024. I openly disclose I not only edited this article, but I created it over a decade ago. I am fully willing to disclose that I am the original author of this article as well as the HackMiami article. The subject of this piece has had notable accomplishments outside the realm of HackMiami and had a page created, and for the last decade it has stood the test until recent inquiries. I fully support the regular review of this article for continued inclusion, as such diligence is what makes Wikipedia the global standard of information. Infosecwiki (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only substantial source is the Florida University piece. Everything else is name checks or brief mentions. It doesn't surprise me that a security expert keeps a low profile. But there isn't enough here for a WP article. Lamona (talk) 16:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Faris Mannekkara

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Likely to fail WP:NBIO - sourced to PR/puff pieces.
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Delete The editor who wrote this article made a Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara on 08:13, 22 June 2024 and kept it and later made a new article with a slight change in the title, which is a wrong trend and does not prove WP:NBIO. ~ Spworld2 (talk) 04:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Although the editor who made this page did a mistake by creating a draft and then again creating it into the main space, maybe he is a newbie that's why....but if we look at the person's page, he was awarded the community Leader Award from the Kerala State Women's Development Corporation which is a state award from the person's home state which is in Kerala and the Fulbright Foundation’s Global Changemaker Award in 2023 which is a International award given by the US Government which i believe at least qualify the award category of the people's notability guidelines according to the guidelines written in Wikipedia. This guy also has a significant coverage in The Times of India, Economics Times , Ahmedabad Mirror which i believe is considered reliable in Wikipedia. So we have 2 of the 3 basic criteria except the national dictionary thing ....also While reading the content of these articles i don't see any kind of sponsored post written or a disclaimer in the news coverage these are just my analysis. SATavr (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may be ignorance / new editor who wrote the draft and then made a new page, but destroyed the first edits in the first draft and deleted it in a completely unrecognizable form, added another person to it and added it to his date of birth and created a misunderstanding because of lack of knowledge?? Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara Difference between revisions [44], Draft:Muhammed Faris Mannekkara 2nd Difference between revisions[45] Spworld2 (talk) 06:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I do agree with you. It was a stupid mistake done by this new editor and i think he lacks the patience for it and just wanted to go directly with a shortcut way for publication. Thats why he change the draft content to a different person and he thought we would'nt know lol..... I believe he has learned a lesson not to do it again and i hope he has got to know that things doesnt workout like this. SATavr (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A before search comes up with many sources. (e.g. [1] [2]. Numerous articles featuring the names appear, the most of them in Hindi and English. Tiger-in-Action (talk) 08:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PR/churnalism doesn’t count. Both articles are just advertorials for his car company.-KH-1 (talk) 10:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These articles discuss his side automobile firm, yet his Wikipedia biography hardly ever mentions this information. The autogenerated nature of these stories is not disclaimed, as is typically the case. The name of the publisher, Sunil Chaurasia, is also mentioned in The Economic Times. His social work is the subject of major pieces that don't appear to be PR or churnalism. They include original research, such as his participation in and thorough coverage of the Sankesh Foundation and the Smiles Foundation. - [3] which is covered in the Ahmedabad Mirror. Another example is his relationship with Shyalash C, his mentor, which isn't mentioned on his Wikipedia page but is confirmed as original research in Punjab Kesari - [4]. Tiger-in-Action (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The person is currently serving as a Global Peace Ambassador under UN75. He has been awarded the Fulbright Award and a State Government Award from Kerala. He meets the basic criteria of WP:GNG and WP:BIO. With regards to his sources the news articles on his social work looks fine but the same cannot be said for some of his articles written about his second-hand car business found in google but considering that his Wikipedia page does not cover his car business, overall, it looks fine to me. Master rollo (talk) 11:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I only get two pages of Gnews results, most are by "staff" or puff pieces/advertorials. The Fullbright sounds promising, but without sourcing we can't confirm, nor do we have enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Best I could find was this [46]; GTranslate seems to say it's a staff piece, so likely about as unreliable as the rest of what's already in the article. Oaktree b (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest searching by his full name, Muhammad Faris Mannekkara, to find additional articles about him. Also, please check the sources listed on his Wikipedia page. it maybe possible that his articles are ranked poorly in google search engine. that's why less result are been shown but if you try his full name which act like a keyword you will find the news article. Regarding his Fulbright award, it is published in this source as well. [5].

When i am doing the Google Translate for this article - [3] it is referring the person as "she" instead of "He" and is not translating the words in a properly manner. Also the article mentions the author's name as well - Gaurav Tiwari which means it contradict the claim that it was written by multiple staff. Also there aren't any disclaimer that says this story is autogenerated. Blackwatch007 (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:

Faris Mannekkara is currently serving as a Peace Ambassador for the United Nations. His notable achievements include receiving the prestigious Fulbright Award and a State Government Award from the Kerala government. He meets the criteria for WP BIO due to his significant contributions and recognition in his field. There are numerous secondary sources available on Google that document his extensive career in social service, highlighting his impact and dedication. Angiemcc2023 (talk) 04:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There's no reason demonstrated why this person is any more notable than other successful young social worker and businessman in Kerala. Wikipedia is neither a business card nor a linkedin page. I'd be happy to shown I'm wrong, but it looks like there are tens of thousands of "Global Peace Ambassadors." Fails ANYBIO and SIGCOV. BusterD (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Claudio Fernando de Aguiar

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Promotional also. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Athanasios Tsakalidis

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Article reads as a resume, or a professor bio than that of an encyclopedic article. I really question WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as there just aren't very many sources coming up for him. I am also rather leery that 70% of the 10 references currently existing on the page are of works he (co)wrote. I see that there was a split decision on the AFD back in 2006 for this page, and the page does not seem to have improved in quality since then. Longer, yes, but quality... hmm. We seem to still be in the same state of, and I'll quote Melaen from that AFD here, "Looks very unpolished, could be cleaned up extensively. Seems NN, but I could be wrong.". I'm all for keeping articles of scientists, but basic criteria such as GNG must be met, and I'm just not seeing potential at this time. Opening up this discussion in the hopes I am wrong, and IF notability could be met, to shine some light on a page that needs a real overhaul. Currently though my vote is Delete. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete There is no notability. I've looked at the Greek-language sources and there's nothing beyond the trivial there either. An academic like millions of others. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment? Millions? How did you arrive at that figure? Nom seems to be unaware that WP:Prof may also be met. Subject has high GS citations, but in a very high cited field. Not sure. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
When I say there are millions of other academics, I mean that there's nothing special about his career that makes it stand out. If you could take a moment to clarify your position, it would be much appreciated. Now you're disrupting the consensus process just to disrupt it. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavlos Savvidis

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Academic with a decent publication record (h-factors 43) but no significant awards to verify peer recognition, and no significant coverage beyond a mention back in 2008. Tagged for notability in NPP; no action taken beyond an unexplained and unwarranted removal of notability tag. Does not pass any section of WP:NPROF, and there is no evidence that any other notabilities apply. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Another scientist with high GS citations in a high-cited field. Passes WP:Prof#C1. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Xxanthippe, an 43 h-factor, 7726 total cites and 459 total in 2023 is definitely not high, particularly for a highly cited field, not close to passing WP:NPROF#C1. He has one highly cited paper from his PhD thesis, but not much else. In terms of his GS area of Condensed Matter Physics he comes in something like number 300 or lower. If he had been elected as an APS Fellow it would be different, but there is no such evidence of peer recognition. Ldm1954 (talk) 04:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. My vote is unchanged. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Keep. I'm a little baffled by this afd, given the expert credentials of the nom. In Web-of-science, Savvidis shows >100 papers, ~2600 citations, and H=35 (goes to PROF 1). While it's true that semiconductors (one area of research) is a high citation field, what I find here is the usual gigantic variance in research metrics of WP BLPs working in this field. There are folks both much high and much lower, for example Herbert Kroemer (~700 papers, ~23,000 cites, H 90) and Janice Hudgings (31 papers, ~500 cites, H 11), as well as lots of BLPs having similar stats, like Cyril Hilsum (96 papers, ~1700 cites, H 20). On balance, I have the distinct impression that Savvidis has a research impact appreciably higher than the average professor in this field, suggesting PROF 1 is satisfied. 128.252.210.3 (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald S. Mangum

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The main notability claim here that I see is signing the open letter about Biden's health but his role isn't that large in that event WP:ONEEVENT

Everything else is fairly run-of-the-mill

Then of course there is the admitted CoI editing and page creation. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elsie M. Frost

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Fails to pass the general notability guidelines. Zero coverage online beyond a couple of related obituaries. Article is mostly cited to her husband's book. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Zero evidence of notability. Given the article creator's tendency for posting AI-produced garbage I don't think a closer examination is necessary. Note that in such cases you can make a WP:BUNDLE nomination. Tercer (talk) 12:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable. Athel cb (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This appears to be the standard story of that time of a woman who became a schoolteacher, got married, and then vanished from the public record. I can't read the supposedly archived newspaper.com links, but [1] and [9] appear to be about her husband, [2] is a paid family death notice, [3-8] are neither independent nor reliably published, and [10] appears to be a brief marriage announcement. That is far from enough for GNG, the only relevant notability guideline. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Khaldoun H. Shami

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Is this person notable? Google News yields no hits, and a lot of the references here are completely inappropriate, e.g. his employer's own website, LinkedIn profile, and Google Scholar profile. Uhooep (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Janet Frost

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Fails to pass the notability guidelines for academics. While the article says that she was a 'Distinguished Professor', none of the sources nor the Capital Community College website match that. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: For further context, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Pervasive,_deliberate_falsification_of_sources_in_hoax_articles_from_COI_editor; this article is part of a series from the same author. jp×g 🗯️ 11:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Zero evidence of notability. The only source that could potentially indicate that turned out to be just a press release. Given the article creator's tendency for posting AI-produced garbage I don't think a closer examination is necessary. Tercer (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: All sources are either published by the subject or close relatives. A cursory google search did not turn up more either. JackTheSecond (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A few minutes ago I indicated in the discussion of two dissertations why I didn't think she was notable enough for an article. Athel cb (talk) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't think distinguished professor at a community college should count for WP:PROF#C5 and we have no documentation of that title, nor evidence of any other form of notability. Searching Google Scholar for her publications found nothing of note, instead mostly finding publications by some five other people named Janet Frost (themselves not cited heavily enough for WP:PROF). —David Eppstein (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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'Delete per above at this point, tbdesu. jp×g 🗯️ 16:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank A. Barnhart

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I couldn't find any other sources besides the self-published theatre link. Does not meet notability criteria. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 21:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agreed, it's not clear (from the article) that the subject is notable according to WP:CREATIVE. If he is, then work needs doing to the article to demonstrate that notability. (Given the article has been tagged with Template:Notability and Template:BLP sources for over 10 years and has not really been edited since then, it feels unlikely that work will be done.) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subject is mentioned in this local newspaper review but I wouldn't describe it as WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Douglas Jones (physician)

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Creator blocked for UPE. No coverage of the subject easily found and cited sources don't seem to say anything about the subject but I'm out of my depth assessing notability in this field but none of the clams in the article seem extraordinary. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I did some digging, which was a little interesting because of overlap with his name and that of at least one other person. The cited papers on the page currently have very few citations. IMO there is not anywhere near enough here for WP:NPROF. I also don't see any reviews for his book for WP:NAUTHOR. Qflib (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, Qflib. Further, in a search via Newsbank (wider and deeper than Google) I did find some 20 articles in the Ogden, Utah, regional paper The Standard-Examiner that reference and/or quote Jones' opinion in relation to allergies, but to me they seem very much ROTM for a community doctor. Nothing to meet WP:PROF. I neither could find any book reviews that would meet WP:AUTHOR. That the page creator has been blocked for UPE leaves an unpleasant taste too. Cabrils (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhishek Kumar Srivastava

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I don't see the person passes WP:NPROF as well as WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete- No third party news organisation has reported specifically on him. Changeworld1984 (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Very obvious case. While he has made a good start to his career, it is rare for associate Profs to meet WP:NPROF. Adequate but not notable publication record, no major awards, no major converage. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Searching for author AK-Srivastava and keyword corona finds citations that look headed to a successful academic career but are not at the level required for WP:PROF#C1 yet. No other notability criterion is evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails notability. 3 sources on the page that are poor and primary. Source 1 is the subject's own homepage. Source 2 has a comment made by the subject himself and Source 3 is a link to a research/book written by subject himself. I cannot find subject's work that has made a significant impact and achievement in their scholarly discipline (nationally or internationally) and demonstrated by independent reliable sources. RangersRus (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S. Brent Morris

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR. No clear notability. Longhornsg (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Notable for work on Freemasonry and mathematics. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Weak keep. I found 11 published reviews of 4 books (one mathematics, three Freemasonry). That would ordinarily be enough for a full keep from me, except that three of the books are edited rather than authored and that doesn't count for as much. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Add later: I also found one more review of an authored work but in a Freemasonry journal (nine of the other reviews are in mainstream publications). Perhaps that counts less? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leo Joskowicz (via WP:PROD on 24 July 2024)
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Actors and filmmakers

Anthony Hammer

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this previously unreferenced biography of an actor. I've found and added four references, but three are from the BBC Press Office so are not independent, and the fourth is a passing mention in a local newspaper. I don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. His two roles for which we have evidence are supporting characters as far as I can see, so I don't think he meets WP:NACTOR. The article has been tagged as possibly not meeting notability criteria since December 2023. Tacyarg (talk) 18:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman for Best Director

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. This is an award given by a television network. There is no coverage much less GNG coverage of the topic of the article which is the award. North8000 (talk) 13:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman: Not really opposed to Keep as WP:SPLITLIST. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Khaldoun H. Shami

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Is this person notable? Google News yields no hits, and a lot of the references here are completely inappropriate, e.g. his employer's own website, LinkedIn profile, and Google Scholar profile. Uhooep (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Richard Yagutilov

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this unreferenced article about a filmmaker and photographer, and cannot find reliable sources to add. I thought it possible the Gold Remi award from the WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival might make him notable, but this is not the highest award they give and I cannot find verification of the 2004 award winners. I do not think he is notable per WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NFILMMAKER. Tacyarg (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - In a BEFORE search, I am finding precisely nothing on this photographer/filmmaker other than his own user-submitted content, social media, YouTube uploads and the like. Zero significant coverage. Does not meet WP criteria for GNG, or NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank A. Barnhart

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I couldn't find any other sources besides the self-published theatre link. Does not meet notability criteria. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 21:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agreed, it's not clear (from the article) that the subject is notable according to WP:CREATIVE. If he is, then work needs doing to the article to demonstrate that notability. (Given the article has been tagged with Template:Notability and Template:BLP sources for over 10 years and has not really been edited since then, it feels unlikely that work will be done.) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subject is mentioned in this local newspaper review but I wouldn't describe it as WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete local director. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Layne Harper

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Highly advertorialized (to the point that I strongly suspect WP:AUTOBIO even though I can't prove it) WP:BLP of an actor and musician, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for actors or musicians. As always, actors and musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence that they would pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them -- but this is referenced almost entirely to directory entries that are not support for notability at all, with the only semi-reliable source being a Q&A interview in which he's talking about himself in the first person (which would be acceptable for use if the other sourcing around it were better, but does not get him over GNG in and of itself if it's the strongest source in the mix, per WP:INTERVIEWS).
And further, the claimed "breakthrough" is a bit part as a supporting character (unnamed in the provided source) in a film that's still about a year away from release, which is obviously not the kind of role that can clinch an automatic free pass over NACTOR without adequate sourcing.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this article from having to cite much better sourcing, or from having to have a much more neutral and objective writing tone, than this. Bearcat (talk) 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: "Vibrant heart of ... with a diverse cultural tapestry" is the first red flag. As expected, The Source (source #2) is literally the first hit and the only one in a RS. There's a rich blend of, sorry, lack of references for this individual. Nothing we can use to build a rich blend of an article with a vibrant heart. Lack of sourcing, should be deleted. Oaktree b (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And his photo is directly from Imdb. Red flag #3. Oaktree b (talk) 00:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Google search results are mostly social media / self-published sites. Prof.PMarini (talk) 09:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. IMDB does give the name of his character, but even if we considered that a reliable source, it'd be far from enough. At best, this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, which is indeed very PR-like. LadyofShalott 12:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Riehm

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Fails to meet WP:GNG (specifically WP:SIGCOV), WP:NBASIC, or WP:FILMMAKER. There is no mention of any films actually made, and the only news coverage of the subject falls under WP:BLPCRIME.

Looking at the citations and external links, there is:

One dead link to a blog post
The first page of a CourtTV article, comprised of a WP:PRIMARY copy of his essay and four sentence summary of the events.
Pioneer Press article: a local newspaper with mentions of the subject where he is not the focus. It cites the CourtTV article for information about Riehm.
Star Tribune article: a local newspaper article largely covering the notable event. I would say this is the closes to WP:SIGCOV and furthest from WP:PRIMARY
Two additional dead links to news stories

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Delete, in part because the early versions of this article appear to reproduce the lurid story at issue. Kablammo (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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James Harder (actor)

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Unnotable actor with very sparse, minor credits. Fails WP:NACTOR Clarityfiend (talk) 11:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. He never had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. All his roles were minor roles. — YoungForever^(talk) 14:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jovanna Huguet

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Fails WP:NACTOR. No evidence of multiple significant roles. Her TV career is made up of small appearances. LibStar (talk) 04:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTRESS. She lacks significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. All of her roles are minor roles both in film and TV series. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Cayce

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Highly promotional page for non-notable director, recreated and moved to mainspace after soft deletion in 2023. No evidence that he passes WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:FILMMAKER. There is no evidence beyond WP:USERGENERATED IMDb that he co-directed Trapped: Haitian Nights, the one notable production in his filmography, or that his direct-to-video "A Day of Trouble" premiered at Cannes. Sources are all press releases, WP:INTERVIEWS and similar primary sources, as well as a handful of tabloid items disallowed for notability under WP:SBST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Hardly any coverage of his career, some confirmation here in regards to a sexual assault allegation [47], which doesn't help notability (beyond confirming his work). The sources used in the article are as described by the nom, non-helpful. Vaguely PROMO as well. Oaktree b (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Broome

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Soft Delete, so no issue with recreation, however factors do not appear to have changed substantively since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocco Reed. No indication Broome meets notability requirements as either an entertainer or a religious figure. Star Mississippi 19:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: "Gay porn star to preacher" is an interesting, rather unusual career path. The CBN article now used is a RS, and I have this [48] in Fox News, this NY Post [49] which is a marginal source for entertainment news and this in another christian media [50]. I think we have enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a story in a newspaper about him [51]. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. The sources cited by Oaktree b seem to provide some proof of notability. The subject is not a politician, for which Fox may be considered a questionable source, and he used to be in the entertainment industry, for which NY Post has, although marginable, reliability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Hmmm... The Fox News, New York Post, Christian Post, and The Repository sources presented by Oaktree b appear to be interviews. I also found the subject being interviewed by Washington Times[52] and Evie Magazine[53]. While being interviewed by numerous media outlets is certainly proof of notability, fulfilling GNG cannot rely entirely on primary sources. I found several secondary sources from CBN[54][55], Daily Mirror[56], Mid-Day[57], and Maeil Business Newspaper[58]. These are definitely not the best sources, but the presence of these sources shows the subject person has secondary source coverage, and should also grant a pass for the primary sources to be considered as evidence of notability per WP:IV. So with both the primary and secondary sources presented in this discussion, I believe the subject person should pass GNG. Besides, I am not familiar with the American pornographic industry, so I cannot tell whether XBIZ Awards and AVN Awards are significant awards, but the numerous wins and nominations may also contribute to passing NACTOR or ANYBIO imo. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khais Millen

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Immediately refunded after soft deletion in 2023 but no change to address concerns in first AfD. Film writer/director who does not pass WP:GNG, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:NBIO. Most sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS if they mention him at all; there's an interview that's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and a single example of WP:SIGCOV that exhibits all the hallmarks of unreliable content of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Not enough to pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR AND WP:CREATIVE with at least 3 2 notable films directed and 3 2 written (not mentioning the fact he produced. 2); the said films are notable creations that received independent and in-depth coverage mentioning him. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What part of WP:DIRECTOR are you referring to with "three notable films"? (Only two films he has been involved in even have en-wiki pages and only one of those he directed.) The only criterion I could plausibly see cited is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," but there's no evidence that any of his works are "significant or well-known." Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I consider his debut film as director notable enough. See coverage about it online. It has no page yet on WP, true. Added 2 links to the article. Writer: my bad, I had counted Lipstick, which is a short. Even if it's only two or even if it it was only one, he would pass both SNGs because these works can be considered significant, as coverage shows. I'll leave it at that as he is a really clear pass imv.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) (number of significant films; clarification: 3 or 4 films including 2 directed (Thala; and I count Aakashvani), 2 written (Adithattu and Thala, to which one can add again Aakashvani)); the 1st has received a significant award and is clearly significant imv).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment on the opening assertion in the nomination: sorry but no change to address concerns in first AfD is an inaccurate statement.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, no substantive change. The addition of WP:TRIVIALMENTION citations does not address the concerns in the AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ. If those mentions (trivial or not) allow to verify he had an essential role in notable productions they do address the concerns, especially as one mentioned the award for Best Second film that was not mentioned before, unless I am mistaken. I remember checking them (or even adding some) myself back then. I should leave it at that that, as I had said, sorry. Thanks, anyway. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. As I noted in the previous AFD, a film he wrote won a second-place regional film award, and for another of his films a child actor won a regional award. Per nomination and subsequent comments by nominator, coverage of the director himself is insufficient per WP:NFILMMAKER. Wikishovel (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect (presumably to Thala (film)) would be acceptable to me as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either to Thala (the apparently better known film) or to Adithattu (the film that won an award) would be fine by me. Wikishovel (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akin Gazi

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Non notable actor. Does not meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. Cowlibob (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, @Cowlibob: I suppose that WP:NACTOR is more likely to apply. Regarding its criteria: 'Such a person may be considered notable if:

1) The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or

2) The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.'

I think 1) is more likely to apply. I can see from his page that he has appeared in almost two dozen films and television shows which are sufficiently notable to have their own article. Do you accept that they are notable? If so, is your case simply that his roles are not significant? How do you believe that a significant role is defined for the purposes of notability in WP:NACTOR? Is there a guideline or 'case law' supporting this? Thanks.

Jontel (talk) 01:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak KEEP Gazi's article seemingly meets the criteria of WP:NACTOR i.e. 'Such a person may be considered notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows...' in that he has appeared in multiple (around two dozen) productions which have their own articles (and so are presumably notable) and his generally mid ranking in credited roles are presumably sufficiently significant. The case for keeping the article is strengthened by a career duration at this level of almost two decades WP:SUSTAINED. However, without searching through the reviews of his productions, there appears to be little independent reliable secondary coverage of him, which would be required to pass WP:BASIC. The key guiding text appears to be: 'People are likely to be notable if they meet (WP:NACTOR)...(However)...meeting (WP:NACTOR) does not guarantee that a subject should be included.' i.e. WP:NACTOR alone is not sufficient for notability. Given his roles in so many notable productions, is there a case for giving editors time to find the coverage necessary to meet WP:BASIC, as suggested in WP:ATD, by leaving it for a period? Jontel (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luca Verhoeven

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After conducting a WP:BEFORE search, it seems to me that this actor/producer does not meet either the general notability guideline or notability guideline on entertainers. DanCherek (talk) 16:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Michael_Verhoeven#Biography: (father; mentioned there; or to Senta Berger#Personal life (mother; also mentioning him) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! @DanCherek, I actually found the information on the German Wikipedia page. If you believe the article [[Luca Verhoeven]] does not meet the guidelines set by WP:GNG, you can move or delete it accordingly. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 17:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A redirect doesn't really make sense to me, someone expecting an article on Senta Berga would type in Senta Berga - not her son's name. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support: Hello! Wikipedians, I found the information on the German Wikipedia page. If you believe the article Luca Verhoeven does not meet the guidelines set by WP:GNG, you can move it or delete it accordingly.𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 20:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niharika Lyra Dutt

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Notability issue Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: I do not really see any notability issues here. The subject person has officially credited lead roles in TV series like Paatal Lok[59], Choona[60], and an upcoming series Call Me Bae[61], as well as supporting roles in projects like Music Teacher[62] and Sutliyan[63], which clearly fulfills the NACTOR#1. Besides, The Hindustan Times interview, as well as sources from Times of India, Indian Express, and Yahoo! News that are currently cited in the article have also clearly demonstrated that the subject person has fulfilled GNG. It does not even require a BEFORE, as the information presented in the article is already sufficient to show that the subject person has fulfilled two notability guidelines. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, interviews do not help establish notability. Also, Times of India is not suitable for a biography. — 48 JCL 16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR has clearly been fulfilled but not addressed. And yes, a single interview source itself does not establish notability. But if there are multiple interviews covering a breadth of different topics, this can count towards notability per WP:IV. I am not sure about Times of India, but even if it is excluded, there are still multiple interviews from The Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, or Mid-Day[64], which have fulfilled this requirement imo. Still an obvious keep to me. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment— I agree wholeheartedly with Prince of Erebor. These are absolutely reliable sources. She is a main cast member in the television show mentioned in the article.
9t5 (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- She is 'way down the cast list (not in the top 6 actors listed) in either Paatal Lok or Choona, or in the streaming/web projects, so not an obviously notable career on the face of it. I am not sure whether any of the articles cited are really WP:RSs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I provided show that she is credited as main cast, and they are from The Indian Express, The Hindu, and Variety. I do not believe these three sources have any concerns regarding their reliability. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — The subject is clearly a member of the main cast. If you want to argue that a recurring or guest appearance isn’t notable, that’s understandable. However, this actress is a main cast member. The article needs strengthening not deletion.

9t5 (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, I've done a source assessment. — 48 JCL 23:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ~~Weak Keep~~ - (switch to weak keep: after having reevaluated 48JCL‘s arguments) // (switch to delete: I stand by my views on policy & notability, but this specific article is progressively unearthing problems. Extremely irked by the sock puppet attempt, and that paired with Ssilvers’s comments have me feeling uncomfortable with leaving a keep on this AfD. So I am switching to Delete) — I (still) strongly disagree with 48JCL. If someone is interviewed by the New York Times, that would make a person mighty notable. You cannot say “interviews don’t prove notability” when that is plainly untrue.

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Comment, @9t5, they were not interviewed by the New York Times.
[1] -- From WP:TOI: "The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage." Seeing how promotional the article is, I think it is fair to say that this does not help establish notability.
[2] -- From WP:IV#Independence: "Alice Expert talks about herself, her actions, or her ideas: non-independent source." This is basically what the Hindustan Times article discusses. It is fine for a WP:BLP (I think) but It does not establish notability.
[3] -- Another interview.
[4] -- IMDb, not reliable. Per WP:IMDb
[5] -- Another interview.
[6] -- Another interview.
[7] -- Passing mention.
[8] -- Passing mention. — 48 JCL 23:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment— so you’re saying if it were the NYT then interviews can count? You wrote, and I quote, “interviews do not help establish notability.” It seems that you made a wildly incorrect assertion as justification for your delete vote. Have you done the proper research into the Indian outlet to determine that it is not reliable?

9t5 (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

48JCL Then tag the article with {{verify}}? This is a ridiculous use of AfD. 9t5 (talk) 04:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not see any address on NACTOR. The subject person has at least three officially credited main roles. GNG does not override SNG. They are companion guidelines, and fulfilling either one is already sufficient in the first place.

I am also unclear on the purpose of your source analysis. I have already analysed them when I cast my !vote and explained why I believe the interviews can serve as evidence of notability per WP:IV. Besides, you have misidentified sources 7 and 8. They are clearly proving the subject person's involvement in certain projects, and are being used to flesh out the article, not to demonstrate SIGCOV on the subject person, just like the five sources I provided in this discussion. I believe I have made a strong case for why this is an obvious keep, and I have not seen any rebuttals directed to my arguments at all, despite the various comments. (Probably because it is inarguable that the subject person has significant roles, given their numerous credited main parts.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I think 9t5 was raising a hypothetical question, asking what if someone has been interviewed by a reputable source, instead of claiming that the subject person has been interviewed by the NYT. I do not fully agree with this, given that interviews are generally regarded as PS and do not necessarily count towards notability on their own. However, if a person has been interviewed by multiple reputable media outlets like NYT+WSJ+WaPo, this could serve as evidence of notability, and I think this makes sense. You may go ahead and argue that WP:IV is an essay or whatnot, but I doubt that would be a strong and well-reasoned position. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prince of Erebor I simply interpret policies a lot more leniently than 48JCL, and am allowed to do so as per WP:5P5. I have been involved in debate with 48JCL before. We are a pretty equal match. Just two different points of view. I respect their dedication to the project. 9t5 (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
9t5 and Prince of Erebor, I completely agree that WP:IV makes sense. However, from WP:IV: but a person does not pass GNG if interviews are the only kind of sourcing they have. Also, Prince of Erebor, those sources you provided are passing mentions and do not count towards notability. — 48 JCL 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL: I have already mentioned three times in this discussion - the sources I provided are to prove that the subject person has officially credited main/supporting roles in the respective projects, instead of providing SIGCOV about the person. The five roles I have listed already showed that the subject person has fulfilled NACTOR#1, and a Keep is the only reasonable conclusion. The interviews are only additional evidence of notability, since I have noticed many Wikipedians often bring up "coverage" in cases where the subject person has already fulfilled SNG, and this part is to satisfy their concerns. I still do not see any rebuttals on why the subject person fails NACTOR in your multiple replies, and the fact that you now agree the interviews can count towards notability even makes this case not borderline, but a strong Keep. Are you sure you do not want to change your stance, given that your arguments seem to be quite affirmative to a keep rather than a delete? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It not be deleted. Wikicontriiiiibute (talk) 11:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)User Blocked[reply]

You have a bizarre contribution history. Typical of a sock puppet. WP:SOCK 9t5 (talk) 06:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikicontriiiiibute —- to the closing editor, this account is likely best kept unconsidered. The user has a very short and very opinionated history of solely AfD discussions. 🂡🂡9t5 05:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm going to say "Delete" for now, per WP:NOTYET and because of the mischaracterization of the roles this person has played as "3 main roles". They are supporting roles, but not within the first half dozen roles listed in the cast lists. It is very suspicious that this person has not received substantial press other than interviews. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is simply original research and IDONTLIKEIT to determine an actor's role by subjective assessment. Based on both the official billings and the sources, the subject person was listed among the main cast of Choona ([65][66][67][68]) and Paatal Lok ([69][70][71][72]), as well as part of the ensemble cast with a credit of "Also Featuring" in Call Me Bae ([73][74][75]). Large productions can have a large main cast. For instance, a season of The Boys can have a total of 16 actors in main roles, while A Murder at the End of the World has a total of 13 actors in main roles. The main roles are officially credited, and their position in the billing does not matter at all. A main role will not be diminished to a recurring or supporting role simply because the actor is not credited front enough.

Her role in Sutliyan was also referred as "principal cast" by Scroll.in,[76] and mentioned in multiple reviews,[77][78] which I do not think this is what a minor and non-notable role would be like. With at least 3 officially credited main roles and 1 significant supporting role, I still do not see how the subject person fails NACTOR. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 18:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not being persuasive, because you are just throwing in a lot of refs that merely list the cast, and because you are being emotional. Instead, if you cite a review or other independent article (not an interview of someone connected to the production) for each role that *states* why it is one of the most important roles in the work, or that *describes* the role's its importance to the plot arc, I will review them and see if they persuade me. Above you mention Sutliyan, but this is not even mentioned in the article. If you want to have a meaningful discussion, add all the relevant information and cites to the article that you want to discuss, instead of WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion. Then you can make a more persuasive point. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, why would I be emotional? I always make lengthy comments on AFD, and I normally do not expand an article with the sources and information I present before the article is kept, or else that would just be a waste of my time. If you are complaining about TLDR, here is a shortened version:

The subject person's main roles are officially credited in the billings and supported by numerous sources. Three sources per WP:THREE, and the fourth sources are related to the billings, like the official website of Netflix or credits listed at Screen Rant, so I believe this is the perfect amount of evidence I should provide. But for the sake of discussion, I would simply quote all the first sources:

For Choona, Created by Pushpendra Nath, the main cast includes: Jimmy Shergill as Avinash Shukla, Minister of Urban Development [...] Gyanendra Tripathi as Baankey and Niharika Lyra Dutt as Jhumpa, among others.

For Pataal Lok, Amazon Prime Video recently dropped the Anushka Sharma-bankrolled series, Paatal Lok, which stars Jaideep Ahlawat, Niharika Lyra Dutt, Neeraj Kabi and Gul Panag in the leading roles.

For Call Me Bae, The eight-part series, also featuring Vir Das, Gurfateh Pirzada, Varun Sood, Vihaan Samat, Muskkaan Jaferi, Niharika Lyra Dutt, Lisa Mishra, and Mini Mathur, will premiere on September 6.

For Sutliyan, The principal cast, which includes Niharika Lyra Dutt as the object of Raman’s affection, is uniformly compelling.

There is nothing for me to describe or persuade, as a credited main role would not be diminished simply because of subjective disagreements. If someone comment on why they consider it is main or it is supporting, this is called original research. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: Perhaps I made too many comments and my argument has been messy to follow. So for the benefit of reviewing, I will make a summary: I think the subject person passes both NACTOR and GNG. For NACTOR, she has at least 3 officially credited main roles and 1 significant supporting role, supported by billings and sources, which is a clear fulfillment of NACTOR#1. For GNG, she has a certain extent of secondary source coverage, such as from Times of India[79] or Tellychakkar [80][81], albeit not the best sources. However, this can be compensated with numerous interviews from reputable media outlets per WP:IV, including The Hindustan Times[82], Indian Express[83], Mid-Day[84], Yahoo! News[85], Sakshi[86], etc. Therefore, by combining both primary and secondary sources covering the subject person, it clearly demonstrates enough notability to pass GNG. Fulfilling two notability guidelines is a strong keep to me, and I have reservations about the opposing !votes in this discussion, as they do not seem to be based on P&G. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources i find are interviews [87]and [88]. Source 2 is also an interview in prose form. Rest of the sourcing in the article is about other projects, not about this person. We don't have articles about her that aren't primary. Oaktree b (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shabana Shajahan Aryan

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 2 lead roles In notable series have her clearly meet WP:NACTOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I concur with Mushy Yank. At least two co-leading roles in the television series Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Fulfills NACTOR#1. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ginny Holder

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Non notable actress, Bar Holby City her roles have all been one-bit/minor roles, Cannot find anything in-depth on Google News (all are gossip/mentions), Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG –Davey2010^Talk 18:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep In addition to her recurring role in Holby City, she also made recurring appearances in Death in Paradise (TV series) (this is not cited in the article, but see this source, for instance). Thus, because she has had significant roles in these two series, she satisfies the criteria of WP:ENT. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Probably not enough coverage... I find this [89] and a bunch of articles in Hello! about celebrity gossip, but nothing to use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR indeed, with at least 2 significant roles in notable productions, as Gödel2200 explained.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Update: at least 3 (see page).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Update; 6 (PLEASE see 1st Afd, where other productions and sources are mentioned...and that was closed as a clear and fair Keep)....-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a tough one because while she does have a fair amount of credits, she herself has no significant third-party coverage despite being in the business for three decades, which is evident by her article having no content since the beginning, literally consisting of two sentences and a filmography. She is merely a byproduct in content focusing on Death in Paradise, and "meet the cast"–type articles do not meet SIGCOV. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 08:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added a few things to the page.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies WP:NACTOR per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I disagree with Casualty's statement, which seems to have mixed up GNG and SNG. The subject person has officially credited main roles in the television series Death in Paradise and The Capture, as well as a recurring role in Holby City which earned her a nomination for Female Performance in TV at the Screen Nation Film and Television Awards. This means the subject person has at least three significant roles in notable projects, which clearly fulfills NACTOR#1 and should be kept. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as she had recurring roles in multiple shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterencio (talk • contribs) 22:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve the article, specifically with regard to her nomination for Female Performance in TV at the Screen Nation Film and Television Awards. Prof.PMarini (talk) 12:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This should not have been relisted. There is no real disagreement about NACTOR. Noms claim of "Bar Holby City her roles have all been one-bit/minor roles" has been shown to be wrong and there is no other claims of not passing NACTOR. She passed that when we had the last afd and does so more comprehensively now with her Death in Paradise role.

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Adam Ambra

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Ambra played 164 minutes at lower Italian club of AlbinoLeffe and does not seem to meet WP:GNG. Futbol Portal is a rumor about his potential transfer to Premier League followed by interview analysis. Zahori is an interview. SME is an interview but I can't access due to paywall. Neither of these count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gerald D'Mello

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I'm not seeing enough WP:SIGCOV for this goalkeeper that only played in 3 professional games. While searching for Gerald/Gerard D'Mello, I found Deccan Herald, Herald Goa, Navhind Times and Telegraph India, all of which are passing mentions. If this article is kept, we should consider moving it to 'Gerard D'Mello' as this seems to be a more popular spelling. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Denny Draper

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Julian Gjinaj

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Potentially fails WP:GNG here. I have searched Albanian sources and found nothing better than Panorama, a passing mention about a disciplinary issue. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gunnar Malmqvist

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenny Ingalls

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zachary David

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Carlson (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Mark Carlson" speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – WP:NOTDATABASE, sources are available but all primary or database entries. No claim of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 06:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Long (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Yu-song (footballer, born 2003)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If he has played for the North Korean national team at the Asian Games, he does appear to be notable enough. 93.117.220.196 (talk) 10:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been nominated for deletion on the basis that it fails WP:GNG. This does not relate to appearances for the national team. Simione001 (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:FOOTYN, "players are deemed notable if they (...) Have played FIFA recognised senior international football". This covers playing for the national team of North Korea. 93.117.220.196 (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FOOTYN itself states The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. The correct guideline is WP:SPORTCRIT, which makes no mention of playing for a national football team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ke Seung-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup team. Simione001 (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Sun-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ju Song-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marek Małecki

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Equestrian who does not satisfy sports notability. There are two references. The first one is a database entry, and database entries do not establish sports notability. The second is an obituary, which may count toward general notability but is the only significant source. He competed in the Olympics, but does not have Olympic notability because he did not receive a medal.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ma/marek-malecki-1.html	A Wayback Machine copy of a database entry of sports statistics	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	hejnakon.pl	Obituary in Polish equestrian magazine.	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

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Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find better coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Florinel Sandu

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I was not able to find WP:SIGCOV sources for this footballer. The best I could find was this. Geschichte (talk) 14:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oliver Burian

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With only primary sources listed, the article of this men's footballer clearly fails WP:GNG. He played nine minutes at the highest domestic league before being sent on loan to second tier then disappeared. Using the keyword "Oliver Burian", search engines mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. My searches showed nothing better than match reports and passing mentions in online newspapers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no basis for an encyclopedic article. Geschichte (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, seems that he hasn't disappeared completely, but moved to the third, and now, fourth tier of Slovak football (non-league). At that level there is no chance of new significant coverage, and agree that anything existing is far below the required standard. C 679 15:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sérgio Rafael

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Searching only uncovers further database sources and a very limited number of primary sources. C 679 12:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The player actually had a modest career, but there are some sources in the local media [90], [91], [92]. Is at the limit of WP:GNG in my opinion. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaroslav Volf (speedway rider)

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to sports results. Searching the internet for "Jaroslav Volf" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 05:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle AND reached the final of the Speedway individual world championship. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Unimpressed by the sources available. Routine recaps of events in local papers are not significant coverage of the individual. There is no attempt to claim significance in the article. Wikipedia is not a database (WP:NOTDATABASE). 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The non speedway sources do not appear in depth. LibStar (talk) 12:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moath Al Qadi

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This player has not played at the international level, nor in a fully professional league. فيصل (talk) 06:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Even the basic information is incomplete. Svartner (talk) 23:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karel Průša

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bedřich Slaný

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.
Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech (talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McCall Salmon

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Subject lacks the needed reliable coverage from independent sources to meet the WP:GNG as a BLP. The sources currently in the article are either school websites or student newspapers, neither of which are independent. A check for coverage elsewhere didn't reveal anything more. Let'srun (talk) 00:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: no independent sources and none found online '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Baril

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After extensive searching for WP:SIGCOV in multiple newspaper archives, I believe the subject lacks the coverage needed to meet the WP:GNG. This obit [[93]] is rather short and doesn't make mention of his NFL career. Besides the obit, there are some passing/routine mentions like [[94]], [[95]], [[96]] and [[97]] but from what I see it is all trivial. While the subject played 16 NFL games, they took place in the early years of the league when the popularity of the league was nowhere near what it is today. I don't see a clear WP:ATD here but am open to the possibility. Let'srun (talk) 00:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Devin Boyce

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. All I came across was this blog post and a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Margenson

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Could be redirected to List of United States men's international soccer players as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 19:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as ATD. Giant Snowman 17:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skyler Milne

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. A few sentences here, a pair of sentences here, but nothing significant. JTtheOG (talk) 04:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ju Kyong-shik

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nate Shultz

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this interview. JTtheOG (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG here. Let'srun (talk) 01:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ju Kwang-min

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - to 2015 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. Lâm (talk) 08:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amar Mehta

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Fails the figure skating notability guidelines. Competed, but did not medal at the World Junior Figure Skating Championships. Astaire (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG for this BLP. Let'srun (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NSKATE. PROD was previously removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Mike Gregorian

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The best source I could find is [[98]] which only covers the subject for a few sentences. Let'srun (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No WP:SIGCOV to prove notability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 23:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of United States men's international soccer players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No issues with a redirect. Let'srun (talk) 18:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. C 679 10:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daryll Meggatt

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Fails GNG. A search in the archives found no SIGCOV just mentions in match reports. Dougal18 (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Found a few interviews (1, 2), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 06:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean towards Keep Per sources above, plus [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], And he has played way over 100 professional football league games in Scotland. I don't get why you want to delete such an article on professional Scottish footballer. @GiantSnowman: Take your pick on sources, there are loads more tabloid articles on the guy. That's just my five minutes of looking. And I bet there are OFFLINE also! :/ Govvy (talk) 21:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You have linked to 7 sources. The first 6 are namedrops that do not provide SIGCOV of Meggatt. The seventh is from the Scottish Sun which is an unreliable source. NFOOTBALL is no more so stop making the appearances argument. Dougal18 (talk) 08:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Agree with Dougal I'm afraid - none of these are SIGCOV, and the Sun is trash. Giant Snowman 16:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't know why you guys don't do the research or look for sources. Dougal18 has absolutely no interest in constructing wikipedia articles from my point of view. He constantly wants to delete what I call decent articles. Like I said above that's what I found in five minutes yesterday, yes the article is heavy on primary sources and sport stat sources. I provided an assortment of some basic secondary to back the primary sources up, (that's why I said lean towards keep I didn't say straight out keep.) But that doesn't negative anything, I never mentioned NFOOTBALL either, I go by WP:BASIC, and so many many people seem to ignore you can have a build on secondary sources. Take one of Scotlands newspaper websites go enter his name and see what you find. For instance, The Scottish Herald, how many results are there. A non notable person wouldn't have that many results for his name. People go on about it's always routine coverage! But all football is pretty much routine now, it's a paradoxical sport, routine coverage is not a bad thing and the more the better. SIGCOV pfft, you don't need to follow so blindly a policy and yes it's a policy it's not a rule of state. Apart from JTtheOG no one else provided sources, I've done just that and yet you want to persecute my findings. That really is pathetic and bias towards deletion without a true peer review. Govvy (talk) 09:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nowhere close to SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 20:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adonis Amaya

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: All that appears to be here is routine game coverage, with nothing that can be considered WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 11:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jared Mazzola

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Brief ESPN bio [106] and routine transfer mentions [107], neither of which are useful for notability here. Sourcing in the article is of the same quality, non-helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 21:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing is here besides routine transactional info, with a failure of the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

João Paulo (footballer, born June 1984)

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Google search on the name brought back nothing other than database sources. Soccerway link on the page with the corresponding DoB confirms he played one season in the Portuguese third tier in 2013-14. C 679 11:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nominator, clearly it does not satisfy WP:SPORTSCRIT Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 12:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete indeed missing the WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. (To complete what nom said there are also user-generated sources next to the database references, even though that doesn't change anything). — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 14:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to CD Operário#Notable players. I found no indication that he meets WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 16:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 04:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ju Jong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't seem to pass WP:SPORTCRIT—I only see database sources, no significant coverage. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The Chinese article doesn't provide any significant coverage of him despite being longer. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage and fails WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini (talk) 13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable --Loewstisch (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per total lack of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Klec

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This Slovak men's footballer played in his country from 2013 until 2016 before moving to lower leagues in the Czech Republic and Poland. Secondary sources analysis from my searches through translation:

Žilinský Večerník is a blogspot containing an interview with just secondary content in the opening paragraph.
SME seems to be a decent source mentioning Klec scoring a hat-trick.
Dnes24 is a transfer announcement of him moving to Třinec on loan.
Dziennik Polski is another transfer announcement to Puszcza Niepołomice.

In my opinion, none of those sources above actually approach WP:SIGCOV that are required for encyclopedia. I have checked corresponding articles on him in other Wikipedia languages, but all of them likewise provide match reports, primary sources, and database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Doesn't look like he meets WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. I haven't found any reliable RS about him.Tau Corvi (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Indeed, there doesn't seem to be enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mélanie Charles

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No third party sources. A google news search comes up with a namesake jazz musician who seems more notable. LibStar (talk) 10:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not notable. Apart from already cited article, nothing comes up. Changeworld1984 (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is only one source listed in the article, and I couldn’t find any others. If you manage to do this, please ping me. Tau Corvi (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the above. Bduke (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I per nom, above. I couldn't find a sinlge article even mentioning her via a Newsbank database search. Fails GNG. Cabrils (talk) 00:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arturo López Castro

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could not find secondary sources besides the BoxRec website that's already used as (the only) source LR.127 (talk) 06:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I didn't find anything that said passing WP:GNG or WP:NBOX. I also don’t know where the article can be redirected. Tau Corvi (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rudy Orea

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only one source, which is partly a primary source, about him "going back" to amateur football. Only made one cup appearance for Bordeaux as a regular B team player. Paul Vaurie (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimír Kinier

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Redirect to 1990 FIFA World Cup squads#Czechoslovakia because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this former men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. I've checked Wikipedia articles in other languages, but most of them only provide database sources. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia, which may help copy over English article, is slightly longer and listed the clubs he has/had played for... but SKwiki likewise does not provide any decent coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The WP:BEFORE on this AFD looks quite pitiful. The top Google hit is one example of the FIFA World Cup player meeting WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED. Geschichte (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as above. I've only found one secondary source that talks directly about him [108]. I think this is not enough to confirm the significance. The source Geschichte cites is an interview, that is, a primary source. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Geschichte. The source contains enough independent commentary on the subject to qualify as significant coverage. The source found by Tau Corvi is significant as well. A FIFA World Cup player is virtually certain to pass GNG, and its worth noting that we do not have access to 1990s Czechslovak newspapers. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, per Slovak Wikipedia Kinier totaled 260 top-tier appearances. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Geschichte's source is an interview with Kinier where the only independent info is clubs/countries he played for and not playing in the 1984 Olympics. Tau Corvi's source is better but they aren't enough for a GNG pass. https://kramerius5.nkp.cz/ has Czech newspapers and https://dikda.snk.sk/ Slovak newspapers. His 260 top flight appearances are irrelevant. Dougal18 (talk) 09:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - His 260 top flight appearances are irrelevant. – Common. sense. For modern European players (I'm talking internet era), where we have full-access to sources, can you find anyone with 260 top-flight appearances who is non-notable? Can you find a single modern European FIFA World Cup player for which there is no sigcov? Why would the 1980s be any different? Tau Corvi's source satisfies WP:SPORTCRIT, which should be all that is needed to allow this to be kept given the subject. (As for the links you provide, I've never seen those websites before. How in-depth are their 1980s newspaper collections?) BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - I don't know how in-depth the archives are. There are hits for him but I can't access the articles. Dougal18 (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 11:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- To be fair, Dougal18 and Tau Corvi are correct. WP:SPORTSBASIC #5 states: Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. The source given by Tau Corvi looks like SIGCOV thing, but GNG requires multiple in-depth coverage as possible overall instead of just one. Even if the paywalled Sme newspaper contains SIGCOV, that is still not equivalent to GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Kinier is still a local football legend in Žilina but as he played in communist Czechoslovakia online coverage of his career is not the best. However, there is in fact a full page coverage (not an interview) published by the Štart magazine in 1985. The magazine does not exist anymore, but the issue can be accessed by registered users through the digital repository of the Slovak National Library. Happy to improve the article further when/if I find more sources. Newklear007 (talk) 12:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snow keep – Mistaken nomination (once more time). Svartner (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep per comments above, seems more than enough. Govvy (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esmaeil Gholizadeh

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG (which says that these must meet GNG) Of the sources, 2 are just database listings and the other is about a game where he is mentioned. North8000 (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the only remotely RS I can find are brief mentions of him in reports of matches. It sounds like he might become notable as his career progresses, but right now is TOOSOON. StartGrammarTime (talk) 12:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn’t meet WP:SIGCOV, coverage is too weak. Tau Corvi (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa-Anne Smith

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 13:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Shooting at the 2000 Summer Olympics – Women's trap: Subject does not have the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources are all primary and a cursory search didn't reveal anything better. Let'srun (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Shooting at the 2000 Summer Olympics – Women's trap#Qualification round. I found no evidence of passage WP:GNG. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ravindra Lakmal

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Although subject may be covered by WP:NCRICKET (Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level [...] may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof), with a single appearance for a club side more than 20 years ago, there is no indication the subject has received significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. C 679 10:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

Comment - either one article is the problem or thousands. And if we isolate individual articles - in both English and non-English speaking countries - this does nothing to solve the problem we've landed ourselves in. Bobo . 17:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I haven't found any WP:SIGCOV confirmation. Tau Corvi (talk) 15:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zaine Kennedy

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [109] [110] [111] Tau Corvi (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the "Notable riders," most of them use "speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)

Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lacking in WP:SIGCOV. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Minimal significant coverage, no real claim of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This BLP lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2 of the 3 sources brought up are not independent as discussed in reliable sources. The article subject still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Authors

Eric Sink

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A WP:BEFORE search failed to find any significant coverage of this biography article to meet WP:NBASIC. The most I could find were blog reviews of his books and interviews, which fail the threshold of significant independent sourcing. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A few scattered mentions, but nothing extensive found: [112] and [113]. Not enough coverage for notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald S. Mangum

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The main notability claim here that I see is signing the open letter about Biden's health but his role isn't that large in that event WP:ONEEVENT

Everything else is fairly run-of-the-mill

Then of course there is the admitted CoI editing and page creation. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Janet Frost

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Fails to pass the notability guidelines for academics. While the article says that she was a 'Distinguished Professor', none of the sources nor the Capital Community College website match that. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: For further context, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Pervasive,_deliberate_falsification_of_sources_in_hoax_articles_from_COI_editor; this article is part of a series from the same author. jp×g 🗯️ 11:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Zero evidence of notability. The only source that could potentially indicate that turned out to be just a press release. Given the article creator's tendency for posting AI-produced garbage I don't think a closer examination is necessary. Tercer (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: All sources are either published by the subject or close relatives. A cursory google search did not turn up more either. JackTheSecond (talk) 12:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A few minutes ago I indicated in the discussion of two dissertations why I didn't think she was notable enough for an article. Athel cb (talk) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't think distinguished professor at a community college should count for WP:PROF#C5 and we have no documentation of that title, nor evidence of any other form of notability. Searching Google Scholar for her publications found nothing of note, instead mostly finding publications by some five other people named Janet Frost (themselves not cited heavily enough for WP:PROF). —David Eppstein (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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'Delete per above at this point, tbdesu. jp×g 🗯️ 16:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Jones (physician)

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Creator blocked for UPE. No coverage of the subject easily found and cited sources don't seem to say anything about the subject but I'm out of my depth assessing notability in this field but none of the clams in the article seem extraordinary. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I did some digging, which was a little interesting because of overlap with his name and that of at least one other person. The cited papers on the page currently have very few citations. IMO there is not anywhere near enough here for WP:NPROF. I also don't see any reviews for his book for WP:NAUTHOR. Qflib (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, Qflib. Further, in a search via Newsbank (wider and deeper than Google) I did find some 20 articles in the Ogden, Utah, regional paper The Standard-Examiner that reference and/or quote Jones' opinion in relation to allergies, but to me they seem very much ROTM for a community doctor. Nothing to meet WP:PROF. I neither could find any book reviews that would meet WP:AUTHOR. That the page creator has been blocked for UPE leaves an unpleasant taste too. Cabrils (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alyy Patel

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WP:BLP of an activist and writer, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for activists or writers. As always, people are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party coverage about their work in reliable sources independent of themselves.
That is, you do not make a writer notable by sourcing her writing to itself as proof that it exists, you make a writer notable by sourcing her writing to coverage and analysis about her writing, such as news articles about her, analytical reviews of her writing in newspapers or magazines or academic journals, and on and so forth -- and you don't make an activist notable by sourcing her activism to the self-published websites of the organizations she has been directly affiliated with, you make an activist notable by sourcing her activism to third-party coverage about it, such as news articles about her, book content about her, and on and so forth.
But this is supported entirely by primary sources with absolutely no evidence of GNG-worthy coverage shown at all: 11 of the footnotes are just the publication details of her own writing, and a 12th is just the publication details of an anthology that one of her pieces was in; one is a Q&A interview in which she's talking about herself in the first person, which would be acceptable for use if the other sourcing around it were better but does not help to get her over GNG in and of itself per WP:INTERVIEWS; another is just a YouTube video clip of her speaking, which she self-published to her own YouTube channel; and all of the rest is content self-published by non-media organizations she's directly connected to -- which means absolutely none of the footnotes are GNG-compliant at all.
Again, the notability test doesn't reside in the things she did, it resides in the amount of GNG-worthy coverage she has or hasn't received about the things she did, and nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to be referenced better than this.
Also note that normally I would just have sandboxed this in draftspace as improperly sourced, but another editor has already done that and the creator just immediately unsandboxed it right back into mainspace without actually improving the sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 15:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lack of sourcing; there are simply no stories about this individual in RS. This [114] is a student newspaper and this is primary [115]. Most of the sources used in the article aren't useful either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nori Bunasawa

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The article seems to have started out as draft created by 110347nbtough in November 2020, who subsequently seemed to claim they were Bunasawa himself over on Wikimedia Commons here and here. The draft was then approved by DN27ND about a month later, even though the DN27ND account was only four days old and seems to have no experience as an WP:AFC reviewer. Moreover, DN27ND is an WP:SPA whose primary focus on English Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and Japanese Wikipedia has been creating/editing content about Bunasawa; in other words, it seems that the account was specifically and only created for that purpose.

I wasn't sure about the subject's Wikipedia notablity per WP:BIO and asked about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts#Nori Bunasawa. DN27ND was pinged into the discussion but never responded. It was then suggested on my user talk page that the article be nominated for deletion. I tried some more WP:BEFORE but found nothing resembling significant coverage. I also tried looking at the Japanese Wikipedia article ja:樗沢憲昭 and the Egyptian Arabic Wikiepdia article arz:نورى_بوناساوا but found nothing resembling significant coverage being cited in either of them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Potential COI issues aside, the subject evidently seems to be a notable coach at Olympic and World Championship level, and for US colleges. Other pursuits as a magazine publisher/author and film consultant (?) would probably not rise to notability themselves, but the coverage for all three careers being mostly in 50+ year old newspapers – paired with the subject being otherwise covered by not only non-English, but non-Latin-alphabet, media – would be the AGF reason for fewer substantial sources (which is satisfactory here). The article could do with some clean-up, but from a glancing view I would also say it is not short on sources for its coverage, and that the coverage generally indicates notability. Kingsif (talk) 13:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no conflict of interest. I'm not getting paid by Bunasawa. In order to get leads on sources and information, we do have a working relationship (as a reporter would on their subject) where I could reach out and obtain information. I do have drafts of other judokas in the works but am working on securing their contact information in order to get additional leads to sources and information.

There are multiple sources online in various languages (English, Japanese, Russian, etc.) which indicates notability.

Bunasawa's involvement as a leader of judo in the USA

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/12/ichiban-sports-complex-shares-strange-s/

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qNUDAAAAMBAJ&q=bunasawa&pg=PA38&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=bunasawa&f=false

Bunasawa as a co-novelist

https://www.abebooks.com/9780964898424/Toughest-Man-Who-Lived-Nori-096489842X/plp#:~:text=A%20book%20about%20Conde%20Koma,force%20in%20the%20martial%20arts.

Bunasawa's involvement in "Dead or Alive"

https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/90786/Noriaki_Bunasawa/judo-career

Bunasawa and José Padilha

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crg9KAmBek5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

José Padilha as the director on the BJJ-Judo movie project

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62362469/

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/jos%C3%A9-padilha-attached-to-write-and-direct-feature-film-dead-or-alive-with-greg-silvermans-stampede-for-netflix

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/narcos-director-jose-padilha-tackling-netflix-jiu-jitsu-movie-dead-alive-1181926/

Nori Bunasawa's involvement in the movie industry

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12094236/

Russian sources on Bunasawa's movies

https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/4294861/?utm_referrer=www.google.com

https://en.kinorium.com/2680888/cast/

Japanese sources on Bunasawa's accomplishment and career

Shindo, Kenichi (October 3, 2020). "青春スクロール市立浦和高校". Asahi Shimbun.

Kudo, Raisuke (September 10, 1969). "日本代表決まる". The Judo Shimbun.

https://www.judo-ch.jp/result/ajsc/men1970.shtml

Russian news media company reporting on Bunasawa's comments and opinions

https://sputniknews.jp/20190902/6634165.html

Bunasawa is notable for his involvement in the sport of judo and for his involvement in the movie industry.

There are no COI issues and I sent him a draft on the article as a courtesy, in order to have a working relationship with him for leads on additional sources and for information regarding judo sports figures of which there will be wiki articles published in the future. DN27ND (talk) 05:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also advised Bunasawa and his newspaper/magazine publishing team to create a wikipedia account in order for them to release some of the photos that they own to wikimedia commons. DN27ND (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I received information that Nori Bunasawa and his newspaper/magazine publishing company owns the photos that he uploaded and that were deleted off of wikimedia commons. DN27ND (talk) 06:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that he is in the process of consulting with his lawyers based in the USA. DN27ND (talk) 06:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being paid is not the only criterion for conflict of interest. See WP:EXTERNALREL. I think the fact that you have a working relationship with this person and especially that you showed the subject of the article a draft itself (presumably for feedback, considering you asked for leads on missing info) is concerning.

The tone in the article has issues with WP:WTW; "dream team", "talented group", "further his education" are unencyclopedic and lean towards WP:PUFFERY.

Whether or not there actually is a COI is debatable, but even the scent of one can ruin your credibility on Wikipedia. You really should be more cautious in future. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 09:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"dream team" is a common phrase that was originally used to describe the 1992 Basketball Olympic team which swept the competition, and then has been adapted by culture to apply to various sports and teams to mean a team that has won by a large margin over opponents. Given the context and the results of the 1969 World Judo Championships in Mexico city, (this only happed twice in the history of the sport) this is an appropriate phrase to use to describe the events.

The phrase is also used in other wikipedia articles

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=1992_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=United_States_men%27s_national_basketball_team#Dream_Team_II

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=1996_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=FIFA_World_Cup_Dream_Team

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=Iran_men%27s_national_sitting_volleyball_team

and the list goes on:

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=Dream_Team

Would it be puffery to describe the 1992 US Olympic dream team as "talented"? Or would it be appropriate to describe any other sports team as talented on wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=1992_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

"Opposing teams were nonetheless overwhelmed by the talent of the American roster, losing by an average of 43.8 points per game"

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=United_States_men%27s_national_basketball_team#Dream_Team_II

"The team assembled by USA Basketball for the tournament in Barcelona in 1992 was one of the most illustrious collections of talent assembled in the history of international sport"

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=1996_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team

"USA Basketball officials sought to construct the team dubbed Dream Team III (Dream Team II was the moniker of the lesser-known 1994 FIBA World Championship team) with a winning combination of veteran players from the 1992 Dream Team that won the gold medal in Barcelona and some of the league's best young talent."

"When the first ten players of the 1996 United States Men's national basketball team roster were announced in the summer of 1995, that young talent, and first-time Olympians, included the likes of Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neal, and Gary Payton"

Regarding the phrase "further his education", there are sources that Bunasawa attended these universities after receiving a bachelors degree. If that isn't further one's education, then what is?

Are you saying that journalists never show their subjects a draft to ensure the correct sequence of events?

Please advise. DN27ND (talk) 11:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're not journalists. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. We're actually allowed to describe people as talented, but not in Wikipedia's voice per WP:NPOV. You have to attribute those kinds of opinions to notable people, like "journalist x described y as talented". 104.232.119.107 (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also "Dream Team" I can concede on, but other flowery wordings I'm relatively confident in. When you're already bordering on having a COI, you should be paranoid about writing stuff that borders on excessively flattering or flowery, but you're not doing adequate due diligence. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 13:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The selection of the word "talent" in that context was to summarize the accomplishments of those selected to be on the 1969 Japan World Judo team and in that particular year. How else would you summarize a collection of people that had multiple world titles, and had multiple Olympic gold medals? In retrospect, even most of the alternatives selected as backups went on to win world titles in subsequent championships. To choose the "talented" word, is this not appropriate considering the results that these players had?

Considering the results of sporting competitions, is it "flowery" to describe Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, etc., as talented without having to say "journalist x described y as talented".?These sporting figures have won multiple world and Olympic titles in their respective sport.

At the end of the day, we are not journalist but the human aspect still applies. Courtesy and respect towards one's subject goes a long way. Just because a writer chooses to show courtesy and respect towards the subject he is writing about, it doesn't mean there is a COI.

If a person chooses to take more college courses after achieving a Bachelor's degree, how would you describe that if not "furthering his education" ? There is newspaper evidence that Bunasawa was taking more university level courses while simultaneously coaching the varsity judo team.

Could you give other examples of "flowery" wording from the article? DN27ND (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also no "personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial" COI. It is common in journalism to keep good relationships (ie protection of anonymity of whistleblowers) with one's subjects/sources in order to further obtain information from them. There is precedence (especially in sports) of subjects denying access of information to journalists who may be rude, disrespectful, etc. Some of the information taken from newspaper sources, sports media sources (ie ESPN) require journalists to be able to contact sports figures for information. DN27ND (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per above, we're not journalists 104.232.119.107 (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are not journalists. The info on wikipedia articles are not primary sources (birth certificates, actual signed contracts, actual college diplomas, identity cards, actual competition brackets etc). These are citations to newspapers and magazines, which are written by sports journalists or reporters. These are secondary and tertiary sources.

If wikipedia contributors are able to use primary sources, it would make writing these articles easier and actually more accurate (since I could just upload the proof)

Even though we are not journalist, having courtesy and respect towards one's subject could yield leads to information which would make summarizing events easier and more accurate. DN27ND (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since wikipedia contributors aren't allowed to upload primary sources, in essence we are using journalist's opinions (ie journalist from the NY times, OC register, People magazine, Asahi Shimbun, Wall Street Journal, etc) as sources of evidence. Do you think the vetting process to obtain a journalist / reporter pass from these companies is strenuous?

In essence, it would be way easier, "neutral", and encyclopedic if wikipedia contributers were able to use primary sources as evidence rather than secondary, or tertiary sources written by "experts" hired by these media companies. DN27ND (talk) 18:53, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the results of the 1969 Judo World Championships

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Mohammad bin Salman&lang=en&q=1969_World_Judo_Championships

Is that not a podium sweep where one team had a decisive victory over the other teams? That is the time of only 2 times this has happened in the sports history. If the phrases "dream team" or "talented group" is not appropriate to describe the sporting results. Perhaps those words need to be censored from all other wikipedia articles about sports where these words have been used to describe competition results. DN27ND (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That 1969 World Judo team had multiple World and Olympic champions on them. In the sport of judo, the World Championships are regarded as a more difficult achievement than the Olympics due to their respective qualification processes. DN27ND (talk) 12:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are also many other newspaper and magazine articles that show Bunasawa's notability on the wikipedia article.

Rezell, John (March 3, 1988). "Top Judo Instructor comes to the defense of self-defense". Orange County Register.

"Judo". Orange Network. 385: 7. April 2023.

New Judo Instructor at 'Y' Here". Indiana Evening Gazette. February 21, 1975

"Instructor on Show". Rogers Daily News. April 1975.

I could scan these newspaper articles and send them to you. Or you can go into the library archives and look them up yourself. DN27ND (talk) 12:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice: I didn't question the person's notability. I'm questioning COI and your understanding of Wikipedia's editing style. These walls of text and excessive bolding are not necessary; I can read. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 13:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the original poster (Marchjuly) did question notability and it is part of this page's discussion

"I wasn't sure about the subject's Wikipedia notablity per WP:BIO and asked about the article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts#Nori Bunasawa. DN27ND was pinged into the discussion but never responded"

People have occupations, other obligations, and commenting on wikipedia doesn't pay the bills. I'm not sure if Marchjuly was expecting an immediate response or what? DN27ND (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're doubling down on the walls of text and bolding. I can read. I'm still confident in what I said, will not engage anymore. Good luck. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 23:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether the "working relationship" described by DN27ND consitutes a conflict (at least in regard to Wikipedia editing) per WP:COI is porbably something that needs to be further discussed at WP:COIN. I will start a discusison about it sometime within the next few days. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't scan any newspaper articles and then upload them to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons because doing so is likely going to be considered a copyright violation. Please also don't reproduce verbatim any of these sources are any Wikipedia page, except perhaps as short and properly attributed quotes in accordance with MOS:QUOTE because that too will almost certainly be considered a copyright violation. If you can find these sources online somewhere (perhaps a site like Newspapers.com), you can perhaps posts links them as long as there are no WP:COPYLINK issues. You can also summarize these sources in your own words at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Nori Bunasawa (the link is WP:RED because the page doesn't exist yet). I will ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request to see whether anyone might be able to find the Orange County Register, Indiana Evening Gazette, Orange Network and Rogers Daily News articles and provide either a link or an assessment of them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the sources that are online, I've already linked them to the page.

'''Orange County Register, Indiana Evening Gazette, Orange Network and Rogers Daily News'''

These sources are not online and some of the Japanese sources are not online either. I received them as newspaper clippings. The dates and issues are included. You could try to call the local libraries in those counties and can talk to the librarian about sending you those papers.

Orange County Register has a webpage. Perhaps they might have online achieves. I have photographs of the newspaper clippings.

The Indiana Evening Gazette has online achieves. I have not looked at it because I have access to the scanned newspaper clippings.

The Orange Network is associated with the Orange County Japanese American Association. You can give them a call or search their website to see if they keep their old issues on pdf.

Rogers Daily News is the local paper from Rogers, Ark. that was published from 1927-1981. You can try to call the local library in that city, perhaps they have archives

I have them as clippings, scans, and photos taken by a camera phone.

There are actually much more newspaper articles that were written about Bunasawa in the newspapers, such as a time one of his teen students used judo in self defense against an assault, and many much more. Just because some of the sources are from 25 to 35 years ago, and before the time of the internet, doesn't make Bunasawa a less "notable" sport and martial arts figure.

The information is all there if you want to do the research and look hard enough. Also finding people (through connections) who have saved these newspaper clippings, especially for people who existed before the internet does wonders when writing up a biography.

Have fun on your search DN27ND (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are also a few other english language papers in California stating that Bunasawa was a pre-medical student while coaching Judo. I haven't included all the sources and kept it general via "furthering his education" as some papers cited stated that he was a uni student in the USA.

If its THAT important to you, you can call Bunsawa's assistants to see if you can obtain his university diploma at Waseda University, then cross reference the dates of the newspaper sources that stated that he was a student in the USA, then voilà, you have inferred that he "furthered his education"

You can look in the biographical section of his book as well

Bunasawa, Nori; Murray, John (2007). The Toughest Man Who Ever Lived. Nevada: Innovations, Inc. and Judo Journal. p. 299. ISBN 978-0-9648984-1-7. DN27ND (talk) 18:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DN27ND, to be blunt, no one is going to read through all of this confusing content you posted, it's overwhelming. You need to be concise. There are a lot of AFDs to look through and this is just one. Editors are much likely to rely on the source analysis table below, which concisely presents information in a way everyone can understand. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the following source assessment table for many of the additional sources cited above by DN27ND. It doesn't cover all of the sources DN27ND mentioned, but I'll keep searching online for links for those not in the table. I used Google translate for the one Russian source since I don't understand Russian, but am able to read the Japanese sources unassisted. The assessments are mine and I tried to give detailed explanations as to the reasons why I made them. The table's last column "Count source toward GNG?" is an assessment done by the table itself. An explanation of it's computed can be found at Template:Source assess#"Overall" assessment.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Marchjuly
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/12/ichiban-sports-complex-shares-strange-s/	Independently published newspaper article	2016 article in Arkansas Democrat Gazette	Bunasawa in mentioned by name twice, but the main focus of the article is Willard Robertson and the Ichiban Sports Complex. Bunasawa is mentioned as being won of several "experts" Robertson brought in to work at the complex. Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV but might be OK to use as a RS for certain article content.	✘ No
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qNUDAAAAMBAJ&q=bunasawa&pg=PA38&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=bunasawa&f=false	Independently published magazine article	Four-page article titled "Title techniques" in the July 1978 issue of Black Belt (magazine)	? Three of the four pages are photos of Bunsawa demonstrating some technique, but the first page is part interview and part biographical material. Not sure this qualifies as sigcov per se, but it seems enough of a RS to support some article content. The quoted parts of the article though probably need to be treated as WP:ABOUTSELF.	? Unknown
https://www.abebooks.com/9780964898424/Toughest-Man-Who-Lived-Nori-096489842X/plp#:~:text=A%20book%20about%20Conde%20Koma,force%20in%20the%20martial%20arts	? AbeBooks page about the book Toughest Man Who Ever Lived. The paragraph on the book appears to be WP:UGC content	? Could possibly be used to support Bunasawa co-writing the book	Not close to being sigcov for either WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR	✘ No
https://www.judoinside.com/judoka/90786/Noriaki_Bunasawa/judo-career	? Has a fansite feel to it.	? Niche website which looks like UGC content, but might be conisdered a RS for Judo.	Brief profile blurb that might be OK as a RS for certain article content but isn't close to being sigcov.	✘ No
https://www.instagram.com/p/Crg9KAmBek5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D	Instagram account that appears to be connected to Bunasawa.	? UGC and WP:SPS type of source that only could be used per WP:ABOUTSELF	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/news/ni62362469/	IMDb blurb about this 2019 The Hollywood Reporter article	? Original article is probably a good source for content about the movie, but there's nothing in the article about Bunasawa; so, trying to use this to support content about Bunasawa's involvement with the film seems to be WP:SYN.	Not close to being signcov	✘ No
https://about.netflix.com/en/news/jos%C3%A9-padilha-attached-to-write-and-direct-feature-film-dead-or-alive-with-greg-silvermans-stampede-for-netflix	? Netflix PR blurb about film	? Like the above source, might be for content about the film as WP:PRIMARY source, but makes no mention of Bunasawa.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12094236/	Bunasawa's IMDb page	IMDb pages are generally not considered RS per WP:IMDB	Not close ot being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/4294861/	? Russian language movie website	? Looks to be similar to IMDb, and bascially just a cast/crew list for the 1990 film Martial Marshal (seems to also be called Judo Justice). Bunasawa isn't mentioned at all	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://en.kinorium.com/2680888/cast/	? Another movie database type site	? Appear to be an IMDb type site. Bunasawa in listed by name in the "Cast" section as playing "Gonji Tamashita" but nothing more.	? Not close to being sigcov	? Unknown
https://4kou.jp/news/434/ (link is to high school's alumni association's website which scanned and reposted the article. An April 2021 archived version of the article from the Asahi Shimbun website can be found here.)	September 2020 article/feature in the Saitama edition of the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun	The Asahi Shimbun is certainly a RS, but this seems to have appeared only in a local edition of the paper for Saitama Prefecture. It's also primarily about the one of the area's local high school's and the school's alumni. There are five half-pages and Bunasawa is mentioned (there's a photo of him as well) on the fifth half-page along with others (including his older brother) who were involved in the school's judo club. This could be a RS to support article content about Bunasawa having a brother, going to this particular high school, or some other associated article content.	? There's more converage about Bunasawa in this particular article than there's is in perhaps many of the other sources mentioned above, but it doesn't seem to be sigcov.	? Unknown
https://www.judo-ch.jp/result/ajsc/men1970.shtml	? Database-like site of judo competition results	? Appears to be a UGC type of site, but might be considered reliable for articles about judo competitions。Bunsawa is mentioned by name once for finishing runner up in the light-weight class of a 1969 judo tournament in Fukuoka, Japan.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://sputniknews.jp/20190902/6634165.html	? August 2019 piece by Sputnik (news agency)	Site isn't considered reliable per WP:SPUTNIK but not clear whether that applies to judo. The Wikipedia article about the site states it's frequently described as a "propaganda outlet" that's currently banned in the EU. This might have more to do with other things than judo though. The article is only a few paragraphs long and quotes Bunasawa a couple of times (as an "expert" perhaps) on how non-Japanese judokas can prepare to beat their Japanese counterparts at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.	Not close to being sigcov	✘ No
https://www.ocjaa.org/orange-network	Piece in the April 2023 issue of a magazine/newsletter put out by the Orange County Japanese American Association.	? This would appear to be UGC content with very little if any kind of rigorous editorial control. I don't think the OCJAA would knowingly post anything false, but they might not have the capability to the type of strenuous fact checking expected of a RS. It's certainly doesn't seem to be a major news publication; it doesn't even seem to be close to the level of the Rafu Shimpo. It's published in Japanese and its target audience is most likely Japanese-Americans, Japanese nationals or other Japanese speakers living/working in the area. The April 2023 issue in which the the article "Judo" is supposed to appear isn't available any longer on the OCJAA website, but the cover can be seen here. I tried to see if I could find an archived version of of the issue from an archived version of the main page like this one from June 2023 or this one from April 2024 and work backwards, but had no luck.	? Hard to assess whether the article is sigcov, but from looking at some recent issues still available online like july 2024, June 2024, May 2024 and April 2024, the "magazine" appears to be mainly advertisements and event listing with a few stories/interviews thrown in. There's a good chance the "Judo" article was an part interview and part general interest piece that had some biographical information about Bunasawa but nothing resembling the sigcov to help establish Wikipedia notability.	? Unknown
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

-- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S. Brent Morris

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR. No clear notability. Longhornsg (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Notable for work on Freemasonry and mathematics. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Weak keep. I found 11 published reviews of 4 books (one mathematics, three Freemasonry). That would ordinarily be enough for a full keep from me, except that three of the books are edited rather than authored and that doesn't count for as much. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Add later: I also found one more review of an authored work but in a Freemasonry journal (nine of the other reviews are in mainstream publications). Perhaps that counts less? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 13:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christine Axsmith

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Textbook WP:BIO1E. Was in the news for one blog post that got her fired in 2006. No notability as defined in WP:BIO, such as WP:SUSTAINED otherwise. Longhornsg (talk) 23:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. Meets all three criteria of WP:BLP1E. Barely scrapes by GNG either way. C F A 💬 23:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete based on WP:BIO1E. Axsmith's notability stems from a single incident: her firing following a 2006 blog post. There has yet to be the kind of steady coverage that shows a broader notability. There are also no writings or citations related to her work. Thus, the article does not meet WP:BIO. The lack of sustained coverage or impact in her field supports the case for deletion. It's crucial to remember that this platform's content focuses on subjects that have lasting significance.--AstridMitch (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Seems to be a writer for Daily Kos now, but that's not terribly notable. The firing got into the news cycle almost 20 yrs ago, but nothing since. I don't see sustained notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agree that this is a case of WP:BIO1E due to a lack of sustained coverage. Let'srun (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article doesn't have enough coverage from independent, reliable sources to show she's notable. The current information is too sparse to meet WP:N. Yakov-kobi (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Besides being a classic BLP1E issue, I don’t see a level of specific evidence that she passes WP:SIGCOV or my own standards for notable lawyers. Sorry. Bearian (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Subject is indeed known only for a single event. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Quentin Boëton

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I don't think the author is notable. I can't find enough independent reliable secondary sources covering his work. --Xexerss (talk) 19:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:BIO, all sources I could find are either interviews or passing mentions.

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Edgar Chibaka

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should be deleted due to the lack of significant independent coverage that meets the General Notability Guideline (GNG), relying instead on primary sources, company related news and not significant mentions. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or redirect: to Nyasa Times, the company that the subject found. Subject has enough WP:GNG. For example here reported by the Telegraph, subject won the Black British Business Person of the Year award in 2021. I also found this where subject is being the founder and the Chief Executive Officer of Malawi's leading online publication, the Nyasa Times that he found in 2006. This could be used to sustain the article per (WP:NEXIST). --Tumbuka Arch (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete interviews are a poor way to establish notability and if he owns the Nyasa Times then it isn't independent enough to establish notability. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Traumnovelle Alternatively, it makes sense to redirect it to their company on Wikipedia that the subject found, thus Nyasa Times. Again, not all sources are interviews. Furthermore, this AfD was made by someone at random who was even reported at ANI here and there is even a discussion on their talk page about their nominations. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 07:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't oppose a redirect. I looked at the references now. I presumed the sources you mentioned were the strongest sources. The strongest source appears to be the Yorkshire Evening Post but it isn't enough for notability in my opinion. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Week keep. The Yorkshire Evening Post and Daily Telegraph profiles bring it just over the line of WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources for a WP:GNG pass. I would oppose a redirect; I think the Nyasa Times may be less notable than its founder. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drunvalo Melchizedek

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It's regrettable that this page has remained on Wikipedia for so long. It relies exclusively on primary sources and blog posts. Drunvalo Melchizedek lacks significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. There are no serious reviews of his self published books. Consensus was deletion after a previous nomination in 2012. Not much has changed. He might be well known in New Age pseudoscience circles but there is nothing of substance for a Wikipedia page. Ynsfial (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The AFD is inaccurate as this is not the same page from 2012. It was recreated from scratch with available info in 2019. Also, the AFD does not actually give any specific grounds for deletion except what sounds like personal disdain, which WP needs to be above. In fact, the deletion submission itself admits topical notability. Whether said topical area is bad or good is not relevant to encyclopedic inclusion. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 12:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need to give my AFD a second read. My specific grounds for deletion are clearly stated. Drunvalo Melchizedek lacks significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources, which I determined after checking for coverage of him online. Second of all, as an author and researcher, his work lacks serious reviews, though I recognize this is just one aspect of author notability criteria that he fails to meet. He doesn't seem to meet the others either. I'm not sure what you mean about topical notability. A TikToker every other teen is familiar with is well known to many people. But if there isn't much serious coverage of them they aren't encyclopedically notable. If you believe he meets the notability criteria, please provide a few credible sources this.Ynsfial (talk) 13:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My first inclination would be WP:AUTHOR, in that, at least in his field (however dubious), he is considered a significant figure. This is rather bolstered, I would say, by the number of the independent secondary sources already cited. Additionally, that his work has been the inspiration for notable artists as diverse as Tool and Willow Smith lends some amount of significant influence. But again, even your nomination concedes that "he might be well known in New Age... circles" which would seem to render the question moot; even you're not entirely certain of his non-notability, which I still think shoots significant holes through any WP:NN argument.

As for WP:RS, I would point to Wikipedia:Fringe_theories#Parity_of_sources:
Parity of sources may mean that certain fringe theories are only reliably and verifiably reported on, or criticized, in alternative venues from those that are typically considered reliable sources for scientific topics on Wikipedia. For example, the lack of peer-reviewed criticism of creation science should not be used as a justification for marginalizing or removing scientific criticism of creation science, since creation science itself is not published in peer-reviewed journals. Likewise, the views of adherents should not be excluded from an article on creation science solely on the basis that their work lacks peer review. Other considerations for notability should be considered as well.

Keith D. Tyler ¶ 05:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pointing out the guideline concerning parity of sources. Please provide 3 of the independent secondary sources cited that you think best establish notability and we can discuss it from there.Ynsfial (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:RS - I don’t see a single reliable source, unless you consider Jezebel to be reliable. This is in no was close to passing notability. Bearian (talk) 03:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fiona Krautil

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I don't see how she meets WP:BIO or WP:AUTHOR. Most of the sources merely confirm facts about her and I found nothing in a google news search. LibStar (talk) 02:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have already added more references to this article to show notability. She has been written about in the Australian press with some brief bios in those articles. She advised the Federal Government and argued for innovative labour policies for women long before they were legislated by government such as paid maternity leave, flexible working hours, better access to child care. I will add more to her article later.LPascal (talk) 06:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment- Also she has brief bios in Who's Who in Australia 2002 and 2009 and is listed in the Encyclopedia of Australian Science and Innovation https://www.eoas.info/biogs/P004276b.htm LPascal (talk) 06:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment: A short bio and interview is here and shows some of her impact on government policy. https://aclw.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Leadership-Interviews-alphabetical.pdf by Australian Centre for Leadership for Women https://aclw.org/research-and-publications/leadership-interviews/leadership-interviews/LPascal (talk) 09:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if an interview would be a primary source. ACLW invited her for an interview. LibStar (talk) 03:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as sources are either not reliable or not providing sufficient support to meet WP:GNG. Twinkle1990 (talk) 11:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources do you think are not reliable?LPascal (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the available sources don't demonstrate GNG here. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Imre Vallyon

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I'm nominating this page for deletion again because the initial discussion lacked sufficient engagement and the sources provided were inadequate in both quality and quantity. There's a notable absence of substantial coverage of Imre Vallyon, his work, or his organisation in multiple reliable secondary sources. Meeting notability criteria typically requires presenting at least three such sources. The article from Stuff, while primarily focused on his legal issues, appears to be the only source that meets these criteria. Without it, the page is mostly information sourced by primary sources and a list of his self published books and ebooks.

In terms of Vallyon's notability as a writer, the two book reviews presented by Oaktree b in the previous discussion are clearly poor sources, as they seem to be paid content from freelance writers on unreliable websites. Additionally, Vallyon does not meet the criteria for notability as a criminal according to Wikipedia guidelines on crime perpetrators, despite the only significant coverage of him focusing on his legal issues. His organisation, FHL, does not seem to meet the notability standards either. Ynsfial (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep has enough to meet WP:GNG. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for Ynsfial - it seems pointless making multiple attempts to have this article deleted as the previous Afd covered the arguments in sufficient depth. I suggest you look at the deletion review process if you consider there is an issue. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, deletion review is the wrong avenue here. It was a no consensus close, and closed over 2 months ago. It is perfectly fine to bring it back for another look. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Thank you.Ynsfial (talk) 18:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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’’’Keep’’’ He’s a convicted pedophile. Where’s the good in deleting this? Meets WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:E9F:8340:51A7:F4CD:CE5C:4B8B (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as thin as it is, the media coverage in New Zealand and the Netherlands establishes WP:GNG in my opinion. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 01:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Looks like an attempt to delete the history to me. It happened before that talented people did crimes (Roman Polansky etc.) and encyclopedia must show the good and the bad. There had been "no consensus" discussion before and my position here is that the person is a notable author and notable criminal and convicted felon at the same time. Also, I see it as a strange attempt from another editor and I have COI concerns here. If the page stays, I suggest to monitor it carefully for any future attempts to delete the historical record.--Saul McGill (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. I don't think the Dutch NOS article mentioned above provides significant enough coverage. I'd say awards won aren't enough for notability, but this might be worth looking into further. @Saul McGill:, I don't see how he fulfills WP:PERPETRATOR or WP:AUTHOR. He fails all the criteria for both. Mooonswimmer 01:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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