Delete: Per WP:BAND or WP:ENT: no major awards, no songs in national charts, not certified gold, haven't won or placed in national competitions or any other notability requisite. No SIGCOV to meet WP:NBIO either. No major part in creating a major work. Maybe WP:TOOSOON— Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:47, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: the sixth deadliest traffic accident in Canadian history and the death of 19 people is not a notable event? Many lives and generations were affected by this tragic event, worthy of remembrance. 142.169.16.244 (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least merge/redirect to List of deadliest Canadian traffic accidents. I oppose the argument above. Death toll is not notability. However, there are some OK sources. This article needs to be renamed. Mentioned in this article in the Encyclopedia of Canada.... not particularly long, but not passing, and I do think being in a national encyclopedia is a claim to something stronger than a normal book. Also in this academic book [1]. Not particularly long but not passing. There are also many hits on BAnQ numérique (Quebec news archive) past 1993... some is fairly local, so it only moves the needle a bit, but if we have notability establishing sources it would help to build the article. Just a warning for anyone who tries to search BAnQ it has one of the worst search interfaces ever. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability. Fails WP:EVENT. I'm unable to find sustained significant coverage in English or Spanish except for a single Wordpress blog. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸23:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability. Fails WP:EVENT. I'm unable to find sustained coverage in English or Portuguese except for passing mentions in the context of other crashes (these crashes are quite common). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸23:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at English sources, there is only passing mentions. Serbo-Croatian-language sources appear to be passing mentions too, at least from what I can glean from Google Scholar. There are 10 citations on the article: 6 from the HKV itself and 4 from websites which I cannot ascertain the reliability of. I cannot personally speak Serbo-Croatian, but even the Serbian and Croatian-language versions of this page mostly, if not exclusively, provide only citations back to the website itself. ―Howard • 🌽3323:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG, not notable enough, relatively new party which doesn't have a long established electoral history unlike the two established national parties, the BJP and INC, virtually no presence besides Delhi and Punjab. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 16:16, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Aam Aadmi Party's history is not really relevant to the notability of this list, but as far as I understand it is a very significant political party, regularly making the news even outside of India. This list should be judged on WP:NLIST, which says "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Importantly, "The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been". A brief web search turns up sources like [2], [3], [4], and [5], which discuss important parts of this topic (e.g. mentioning several of the people on the list as a group or telling us how many such people there are in total). I think this is clear evidence that NLIST is met. Toadspike[Talk]11:21, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TOOSOON article about a future municipal election, not yet showing sufficient reliable source coverage to demonstrate that it would already need an article now. As always, while we permit articles about future elections at the federal level to exist practically as soon as the public finish voting in the previous one, that's because there's actually substantive stuff to say about them: public polling on the popularity of the incumbent government, tracking changes in party leadership and seat standings, content about political issues, and on and so forth. But we don't generally maintain articles about city council elections this far in advance, because at the city council level all there is to actually say is idle speculation about who might or might not run, and that's all that's present here. The article, further, is not adequately referenced to show that this is already the subject of any significant coverage as of May 2025 -- three of the six footnotes are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, and two more are from a hyperlocal community blog that doesn't count as a WP:GNG-worthy source at all (but were misrepresented in the citations as coming from a different publication than they really did, until I corrected them). Just one article comes from a real GNG-worthy newspaper at all, which is not enough all by itself. It also warrants note that even Toronto doesn't have an article already in place about its 2026 municipal election yet, and Hamilton's hardly qualifies as more notable than Toronto's. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the spring or summer of 2026, when there actually starts to be meaningful stuff to say and real candidates filing their nomination papers, but we don't need this to already have a Wikipedia article in 2025. Bearcat (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. These are fair points. A counter would be to note that the 2022 Hamilton, Ontario, municipal election page was created in September of 2020 - a full 25 months prior to the vote. Each election page is also used to include information on mid-term elections in the term prior to the vote and a by-election is very likely to occur in the coming months. The preliminary information on the page can be updated (it was originally copied from the 2022 page) as the City of Hamilton website already includes information on the 2026 vote. The Hamilton Spectator's coverage of the election has already begun and CBC Hamilton has similarly been publishing articles about possible changes to the city's voting system. As interest in the election begins to pick up, it seems more logical to keep a running record of candidate announcements, possible voting system changes, and issues rather than delete the page and start over again in May of 2026 when there may be a significant amount of information to include. All said, I am content to follow the will of the community on this. All the best. HamOntPoliFiend (talk) 22:04, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete. The only content here is pure speculation about who could be potential candidates. Once that is removed (as it should as their potential candidacy is based on speculation) there is not much left of the article. --hroest20:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting as we have two different suggested target articles. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!22:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Singer who fails WP:MUSICBIO. Most sources are artist's own website, with tangential mentions in album credits. One source is minor coverage in local media article. I don't see any in-depth coverage of subject in reliable secondary sources. Rift (talk) 18:54, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for a Soft deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!22:41, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per WP:MUSIC or WP:ENT: no major awards, no songs in national charts, not certified gold, haven't won or placed in national competitions or any other notability requisite. No SIGCOV to meet WP:NBIO either. No major part in creating a major work. Couldn't find an independent source for the R&B Hall of Fame award, which is very minor by itself. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AfD participants evaluate refs. It’s always inappropriate to delete any refs just before an AfD. Another editor thought the same thing and reverted those deletions. Editors are always sizing up their peers for trustworthiness and credibility. This type of thing doesn’t help. A. B.(talk • contribs • global count)19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is this relevant if ChatGPT is merely used assess the quality of secondary sources? The article has a clear chain in its edit history and is obviously not AI-produced. Saltysuperbananafruit (talk) 06:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I note that until 2024, this organisation was named the Australian Guild of Music Education, so most sources will be under that name. I am currently looking for sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst not quite eligible for G14, I do not believe this disambiguation page is necessary. Out of the 4 items it disambiguates to, the first is to the wrong page (lambana redirects to Anito and Diwata, not to fairy as this article links). The second article is fine, but the third and fourth are both merely similar words where the term "lambana" does not appear in the article at all. CoconutOctopustalk23:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteRedirect to Anito and Diwata: The 3rd and 4th term do not belong here. Lambana is seldom used for the moth genus, and more used for the Philippine's folklore spirits. A simple for template in the moh article resolves errors. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:51, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this neighbourhood exists; none of the sources cited mention it and I can't find anything else online. There is a Birchmount Park and a Warden Woods, but they are not a thing together. Nominating for AfD since there's a contested PROD, but fairly certain this is a neologism. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:44, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
split into two articles, both are notable geographical areas that have coverage but there is no precedence to have them together in one article. --hroest20:48, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The entire article was created in a single edit by User:Hectordej7544 ... and it is a fishy article. No in-line citations; only two sources. And both sources are very broad, generic sources (not specific to the 1959 visit). Another editor tagged the article as "AI-generated".
The WP:Verifiability is paramount, and articles need footnotes and citations to provide confidence. In addition, the editor that creates the articles should have READ the sources before creating the article.
Keep - This visit was apparently a big deal in Eisenhower's presidency. I added a couple of external links that might help. The Remarks Upon Arrival at Torrejon Air Force Base, Madrid is provided via The American Presidency Project at UC Santa Barbara. — Maile (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC) — Maile (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No SIGCOV in independent, RS. The article has primary or not RS. UltraRunning Magazine is also owned by Jamil Coury / Steep Life Media. Most sources I found are about the Aravaipa Canyon in Arizona. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The subject probably does not meet the WP:NBIO notability requirements. Sources are very weak. Subject of article (Ben Brillo) is only mentioned in passing in some of them. Is there not a single, independent source that describes him in great depth? Marginal sources with fleeting descriptions are not sufficient. Noleander (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Noleander, I agree that this editor should have posted more sources.. I added "Life Magazine" and a Joan Didion biograohy mention and will add more of the numerous other sources from books. Thank you for endeavoring or positing the conditiions as to where this article needs to go.Strattonsmith (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (not an !vote) - Not ready for mainspace. In addition to the sourcing issues and format of the citations and the bare-url citations, it seems to have possibly been a bad machine translation job, per this sentence: As a painter thiugh hevwas a cintemopary of many if the major Pop artists hevsaw himself ss nit belinging to any particular school of art, The editor/creator would be kind to our team of new page patrollers if they proofread their work before moving to mainspace, please and thanks. Netherzone (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Strattonsmith, I'm still seeing this: As a painter though he was a contemopary of many if the major Pop artists he saw himself as nit belonging to any particular school of art and the same bare URL citations. Maybe have another pass at it? Netherzone (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:NFILM: The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. The film has no reviews at all and routine release information. The controversy section is not significant enough to generate its own article.
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CostalCal, name me one thing here that can't be mentioned already at the other article. Also, has LASTING coverage been shown? No. — EF521:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For the love of God, PLEASE STOP MAKING THESE ARTICLES ON THE DAY THE EVENT OCCURS! We don't even have the full damage details! ChessEric23:28, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – I agree with everyone that this is most certainly NOT mainspace ready and won't be anytime soon. But I think maybe keeping it in draftspace is still appropriate, as there is a reasonable chance it may become notable in the future (say a few months from now). But it's definitely premature and should not be on main. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page!23:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the extent of damage and fatalities it's probably valid to keep it in draft, but I agree that it should remain out of main for now. Ironic Stupidity (talk) 00:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP IT OR ELSE. I will defend this article as not a draft like it's my life. This is why Wikipedia sucks. It's full of people who only do stuff to create drama. ITS A READY ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoever deletes this article, I will find a way to ban them from Wikipedia forever. Get a life, some people on the internet want to look up information. For example, Gemini uses 2025 Somerset–London tornado as a source. Hundreds of thousands of people will use my article as a source of information. And, for someone to draftify it is just pathetic. Plus, look at all the sources. If you just ask Deep Search on ChatGPT it will give you hundreds of sources. Also, @NomzEditingWikis vandalism? It's a well-written informative article. @ChessEric, it's 2025 buddy. Do you know how fast humans demand for information? If you delete the article, you will regret it. It's cruel and unfunny. If you delete the article you should give me 1,567,880 reasons why. Yes, 1.5+ million reasons. It is a work of art on par with the likes of the Mona Lisa, Wii Sports, and LeBron James. Imagine this, a little kid named Timmy becomes obsessed with 2025 Somerset-London tornado, he wants to get more information on Wikipedia. Just to find out, some loser deleted the article. And I know that Wikipedia uses other sources in their articles. But I am too lazy to do all the research myself. And before you say it @EF5 I did not get all my data from one article. I do research. Ok, I have made thousands of edits on Wikipedia, yet I have only gotten 3 thanks. I wish people would appreciate my work of art instead of trying to delete it/or make into a draft. People have moved/or moved my works of art to either a draft or just delete it. Why? Cause they like drama! Yeah, so... DON'T MOVE IT INTO A DRAFT/DELETTE IT.
@CostalCal: ...I'm not changing my statement. You're merely speculating and not giving valid reasons. Plus, people for the most part not going to use Wikipedia for information; they're mostly going to look up news articles and NWS surveys. I also doubt that a little kid will become obsessed with a tornado the killed over 15 people; little kids aren't concerned with that. ChessEric06:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify for now - I think that for now at least, it should stay a draft, mainly so things like false or unknown information don't run rampant. The tornado is still very recent, NWS surveys aren't done, and the death toll I don't even think is finalized sadly. Until more reliable info is released, we shouldn't throw random things around without enough sources, it's disrespectful to people who were actually affected by the storm. ImAdhafera (talk) 09:43, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
as stuck up as the origional poster is, and idk why it now says ef4 tornado that isnt confirmed as far as i know, i feel as though we should have more pages for specific tornadoes. it helps with categorization if nothing else 203.30.15.55 (talk) 11:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because people like vandalizing things. Also, I have been working for months on several notable individual tornadoes, the big difference being that all have coverage over a year after the event and aren’t WP:CFORKs. This one is just a copy-paste of the main outbreak article. EF512:26, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the nominator mentioned the 2024 Sulphur tornado, saying it had a similar discussion which resulted in a merge. I just wanted to mention that that specific page is now not a redirect to the wider outbreak and was made its own article (now a good article) a few months ago. harrztalk13:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, because WP:NTORNADO was shown to be met with coverage long after the event. It’s too early to analyze coverage in this case (i.e. the article at the time of the Sulphur nomination). EF513:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Following from my previous comment, I think deletion or merging is quite harsh especially as this tornado has had a significant impact and is definitely more notable than the one in Sulphur. All it needs is some time as a draft so it can be developed with more references and information as currently it only has local sources despite international coverage. harrztalk13:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify for atleast a month from now, if there is long lasting coverage in a month from now, we will put it back in mainspace, if not, redirect and delete the article. Shaneapickle (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Spam article (and close to qualifying for WP:G11 speedy deletion) on a non-notable actor who fails WP:BIO. A search for sources turned absolutely no usable sources that would contribute towards notability. The only source cited in the article at present is completely irrelevant to the subject. JavaHurricane21:21, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Commment There was a slightly different version at Jorgito vargas jr (not created by the same author, but moved into the main space by them), which I've just A7/G11 speedied. I'm happy to nix this one as well, but won't yet just in case it is preferred to let the discussion run to its conclusion. (Needless to say, zero evidence of notability, in either version.) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:NACTOR: The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films. Only one film not multiple, no other films in production like the cast of The Archies. Being able to write about his family doesn't give an excuse for an article, as that information is in his brother Atharvaa and father Murali (Tamil actor)'s pages. All of this information about his career is covered in Nesippaya. DareshMohan (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Complete vanity spam about a non notable business person, being pushed by an obvious paid editor. Just a run of the mill executive. BUNNYDICAE🐇18:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Blomberg article appears to be a non-primary source [11], rest are PR items or interviews. None of the sources in the article are RS. Oaktree b (talk) 20:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As the creator of the page, I did a lot of research to make sure he met the qualifications. Here are some of the articles that show notability:
- Mubasher TV Major UAE publication and operates from more than 10 Middle East countries.
Yes of course I have, but surely you are aware of WP:ANYBIO? The subject has 6 awards, including Entrepreneur.com’s Top 10 Inspiring Business Persons to Watch in the Middle East (2023) and Arabian Business’ 100 Most Inspiring Leaders (2024). These make him qualify under WP:ANYBIO. And then there is also WP:BASIC which states "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." Originalflavors (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I'm aware of it, but I'm pretty sure you don't understand the nuance of the "significant" portion of any part of what that GUIDELINE says. Good luck with the rest of your spam though. BUNNYDICAE🐇19:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that Listless by themselves are not considered significant sources. However, that doesn't change the fact that he has won 6 awards and per WP:ANYBIO he would qualify "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." 2 of the awaads are well known, which are by Entrepreneur.com and Arabian Business, since both are recognizable brands and have Wiki pages.
This article doesn’t have even a single source. I checked on google for this actor and there is not even a single reliable source available. Absolutely non notable in my point of view. Afstromen (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about the sources that are already present in the article? Do they exist or are they hallucinated references? (Worldcat doesn't recognise the two ISBNs).Nigel Ish (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that source says “In violation of the treaty with the Kazakh khans, they tried to return Tashkent, which had been in the hands of the Kazakhs since the end of the 16th century, under their rule. Already in the fall of 1603, according to the "Bahr al-Asrar" by Mahmud ibn Wali, Baki-Muhammed Khan attempted to capture the city, but was defeated by the troops of the Kazakh ruler of Tashkent Keldi-Mu-hammed Khan.” That’s all it says about the 1603 battle. About the 1607 battle it says “In 1607, a vassal of Vali-Muhammad Khan named Muhammadmed-Baki-biy Kalmak managed to capture Tashkent. However, he was not allowed to rule the city for a long time, he was driven out of the city by the troops of Yesim Khan.” That’s it. So we know there was fighting in Tashkent but there is nothing that indicates this was a notable battle. Mccapra (talk) 08:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no evidence of any usage of the term before this year. It looks like it has been invented by somebody creating a pin on Google Maps with this name a few months ago (the location of the pin is actually named Ringstead Bay). Joe D(t)20:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is incorrect, Ringsted Bay is the bay area, Ringsted Beach ends at the outcrop of rocks (breakwater) east of the slipway. The beach between there and Burning Cliff is called Mottram's Beach, and has been for nearly 100 years, it was recently incorrectly labelled as Jenkins Beach, which was corrected this year, maybe that's why it looks to have been invented recently.
If you can provide a reliable source for this, I will happily change my opinion from "delete" to "merge and redirect to Ringstead Bay" (there is unlikely to ever be an article's worth of information to say about the beach itself, it can be covered in the bay article – but only if the name can be verified). Joe D(t)21:06, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an image of the map at the top on the National Trust carpark overlooking Ringsted Bay. The NT are the land owners of the AONB. (You might need to zoom in a bit to read the name).
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I am unable to find any sources in Latin or Cyrillic about a battle of Tashkent in 1603. It may have happened but it does not seem to have been notable. Mccapra (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this one has an English language source in the article, although the battle, an attempt to conquer Tashkent, reportedly occurred in Ikriyar. But this leaves me a little puzzled about the wording of the nomination. Jahaza (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
it means that when I did a search, the English language source did not come up so I can’t verify that it is indeed a source for the material claimed. Mccapra (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What did you search? I was able to read it on Google Books[14], it's available from the publisher's web site, and WorldCat lists more than 300 libraries as holding it. Jahaza (talk) 23:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I believe this comes up on the odd occasion, where refs (and even their articles) are challenged because someone wasn't able to see/read the source to "verify" it, whether it's a web article behind a paywall, or a web page with some other form of restricted access, or physical books and other media, that "can't be found at local library or for sale online", etc., etc. I don't recall that itself being a reason to remove a ref, and delete an article, (I could be wrong). I don't believe it should be a reason either, whether it's having faith in the fellow editor that added it, or just the fact that there are numerous articles on WP, with even more refs that can't be easily and readily accessed, yet there hasn't been (to my knowledeg) any widespread efforts to initiate any massive deletion campaigns because of this. (jmho) Perhaps there's a guideline that covers this, but none have been cited here as of yet. - \\'cԼF10:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
unfortunately in recent times some editors have taken to creating many articles about battles which are completely fictitious. These articles are decorated with pseudo-references to offline books in other languages. Other editors like to create battle articles based on a couple of passing mentions. If I look for sources and can’t find anything that supports what the article says then AfD is the place for it. Mccapra (talk) 12:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I apologize in advance if there are any mistakes in my words — I am writing through a translator. All the articles I have written are based on real books, but the problem is that some of them are not available in open access. So how do I have them? — I bought them. And as for the fact that they are hard to find online — the answer is simple: the history of Kazakhstan develops more slowly than that of other countries.
I write articles, and I know that the way I cited the sources is poorly done — I will try to fix that as soon as I have the time. Онеми (talk) 15:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
* Weak Delete: The variety article mentioned on the page has a great significant coverage, but otherwise not much. Archive.org shows a couple of press release pdfs for his work. LastJabberwocky (talk) 05:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article is imcomplete, his career continues until 2025 but this is cut short at 2011. This seems innacurate and probably better to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.140.33 (talk) 08:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Beyond the cited references, I've found some additional coverage:
A 2012 article from Le Journal de Montréal, "À la bonne place au bon moment," discusses Barbeau's transition from music videos to cinema, his produced films, and his views on public funding for films. This provides significant coverage, reinforcing notability.
Weak keep. Article is innacurate and deals with sources that date to 2012 when in fact producer has been recently active as a director and producer in past 5 years. Page badly constructed 70.81.140.33 (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I find it amusing all this discussion about articles not relevant when more than half of the articles were deleted.
I don't know what people in this discussion, wish to find out more but this page as I wrote previously should be DELETED. An administrator if you look at the history... Arbitrarily deleted 75% of it and stopped it at 2012... Without mentioning anything after 2012... so this page has been vandalized and damaged and all those articles were there previously. So I strongly suggest that you just delete this article page as it is dated and does not show anything of the past 12 years of the director / producer's career.
*Weak delete - as a producer, he's not automatically notable, and the reliability of some of the sources online are questionable; only the Variety is certainly reliable and maybe the La Presse articles. Bearian (talk)
Keep In addition to the sources given above, and in the article, there is coverage of his films in Le Devoir (We Had It Coming , 2020 [15], Après la neige (2012) [16], and À nous l'éternité (2019) [17], [18] (same paper, but different journalists). L'Acadie Nouvelle also has an article about Le rouge au sol (2005) [19]. I am not clear why the subject has requested deletion (is there some reason why the grounds for request can't be stated in the AfD?), but the facts that the article is out of date and content has been added and deleted several times are not reasons for deletion. The article can be updated using reliable sources, which the Canadian newspapers (including The Gazette (Montreal) and La Presse already in the article) surely are. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:08, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Rebecca. I'm not saying that the page should be deleted per say... I'm saying left as is, it is coompletely arbitrary to only mention his first film as director (and least notable) than the two others. Same thing for his producing career. Why stop in 2012? So if this page was vandalized and does not mention the entire career, I understand the reasoning behind wanting it deleted. It's incomplete, errenous and misleading. Unless all those articles go back in there. This IMDB link, shows clearly all that he is done and most of his work is nowhere to be seen here...
So many producer credits are missing. If the producer credits can be added as well as directorial and the page is worthy of being Kept. If not, should be deleted as not Actual and accurate. 70.81.140.33 (talk) 10:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I tend to weigh heavily requests made under BLPREQUESTDELETE, and this producer is actually low-profile. I don't think anyone would argue he passes WP:GNG, but he arguably does pass WP:NBIO as a producer under WP:NCREATIVE. However, it's marginal enough that I think we should come down on the side of the request. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He has Prix Iris and Canadian Screen Award nominations under his belt, and in fact even a win at the CSAs, and those are exactly the kind of top level film awards that nail notability to the wall for a film producer. Every person named in either Prix Iris for Best Film or Canadian Screen Award for Best Live Action Short Drama always needs to be either a blue link or a potential future blue link as soon as somebody gets around to it, and there can never be any exceptions who are "off limits" for us to write about, for any reason whatsoever. In actual fact, what really happened here is that there were repeated attempts to advertorialize it back in March, which sparked some revert-warring between administrators and anonymous IPs — so once again, this is clearly less a case of "I'm actually not notable", and more a case of "I want this article to not exist at all if I can't have editorial control of it", which is not how Wikipedia works. The article definitely does need some improvement and updating, but that needs to be done in a neutral writing tone rather than an advertorial one, and supported by reliable source media coverage rather than primary sources — so I've taken a stab at adding more neutrally written and properly sourced content. Bearcat (talk) 17:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The adjustments you made are fair. You are missing his latest film. SPLITSVILLE, premiering at the Cannes Film Festival. In fact, there is a hyperlink on the SPLITSVILLE page with his name appearing when you do a google search... He is also mentioned in this Deadline article. A pretty major publication.
When it comes to awards, we're not interested in exhaustively listing every award a director ever won at just any film festival that exists — we're only concerned with film festivals whose awards get reported as news by the media (such as TIFF, Cannes, Berlin or Sundance). If you have to rely on a film festival's own self-published website about itself to source an award, because media reportage about that film festival's awards cannot be located, then that award is not notable enough for us to concern ourselves with it at all — a film festival's awards need to have third-party coverage, in media other than their own press releases, to become notable enough for us to mention in our articles. Bearcat (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would note that as the subject has engaged in signficant self promotion, including adding the image in the article [20] they are not eligible for WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE in the first place because they do not meet the relatively unknown/low profile requirement. Why this was not discussed before is unclear, but nobody ever seems to have asked whether this was a valid BLPREQUESTDELETE. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on additional sources found and his own self-promotion. I've written about other requests for deletion after years of self-promotion. You can't undo it. Bearian (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep sigcov in a Brill book [40]. Appear to be some sigcov in academic journals. Cited by a solid amount of RS, and given this book's subject matter and ideology I would believe this is an indication of books that talk about it to some extent (not 'normal' citations). [41]
There could be an article corresponding to this title, but I doubt it given that "quality of healthcare" is made of multiple factors and cannot be reasonably reduced to a single scalar value. In any case, this is not that article. The talk page shows lots of people unhappy with the existence of this article since several years. I tend to be on the inclusionist site, but this article is a net negative IMHO. cyclopiaspeak!19:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least this needs to be moved to an NPOV title like "OECD healthcare quality ranking". 20:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Delete - Fails WP:SOURCE Not sure what purpose this serves. It seems to focus on select cancers and cardiovascular disease. But even at that, it's limited and the lone source is iffy. — Maile (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, currently it is not a list of quality of healthcare, it is a series of medical outcomes that can or cannot have to do with healthcare quality.--cyclopiaspeak!10:27, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Prima facie, this is an arbitrary collection of rankings by health outcomes presented as a measure of healthcare quality. Both the selection of input variables and the inference that this is meaningfully a reflection of healthcare quality constitute WP:ANALYSIS, and as such need to come from the sources in order to not be WP:Original research. The onus to provide evidence is on those who assert that this is not original research, not on those who assert that it is. It is always impossible to prove that sources do not exist, whereas proving that they do is trivially accomplished by simply pointing to them if they do indeed exist. TompaDompa (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since the creator (likely COI) has already moved the article out of draftspace prematurely once, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't do so a second time, even if backed by AfD. Spiderone(Talk to Spider)12:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A highly promotional article about a pressure group that seems to fail WP:NORG. Having nuked some of the spam in the article, I tried to look for sources, and found none (the group seems to be known as "UAV DACH", and even searching for that got me nothing usable as a source, let alone something that would contribute towards NORG). That said, it is possible that I may be unable to access or find local sources in a search because of my location, and I think bringing it to AfD would also bring this article to the wider community's attention and increase the possibility of sources being found, if they exist. JavaHurricane18:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The community has expressed opposition to the misleading use of the country infobox at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 191#RfC: micronation infoboxes. This spirit of this argument against misleading presentation extends to the wider article in this case. The core of this article is an unattributed WP:CFORK of Jund Ansar Allah. Much of the content is taken from there, and its conversion to imitate a country article is misleading to readers as per the RfC. The article presents a one day standoff in a mosque as a country. Development of the shifted material has furthered this. For example, that the entity "Collapsed" is stated in the lead and reinforced by the body, but there was never an entity that existed to collapse. Categories such as Category:Former countries in Asia are entirely inappropriate. The sources in the article, which mostly come from the Jund Ansar Allah article, are about Jund Ansar Allah and the Battle of Rafah (2009). They do not support the claim there was actually an independent state for one day. CMD (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hi CMD. I've edited this article before, and IIRC, there were sources or other information on this article that I read that verified that JAA did declare a separate emirate, but obviously they're not on the page anymore if they were. I need to do some more research to come to a definitive conclusion, but I think given that the Battle of Rafah and the Emirate cannot really be contextually divorced from one another, it makes sense to merge and redirect this article into the battle of Rafah article. This is just speculating, but I think all three could possibly be merged into the JAA article. I need to do more research overall though. Castroonthemoon (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are clear the JAA "declared" a separate emirate; that's a different claim than supposing that this declaration actually created an emirate. I have done a bit of looking into whether the Battle of Rafah (2009) could be merged, and it probably could, but it does not have the same contextual issues as this article. CMD (talk) 03:40, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible similar arguments might figure out into exactly how to present the information, but it seems to be very dissimilar situation to the article at hand. CMD (talk) 08:37, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Given what the other "Year in <nation> televisions" articles look like (using the bottom navigation template), this seems to be appropriate to keep but would just likely need to populated with sourcing from Indian sources. I did a few spot checks and it looks like those entries can be sourced. I see no reason to delete it, since AFD is not cleanup. Masem (t) 17:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a railway station that appears to lack independent coverage. As best I can tell (not Japanese), most of the listed sources are either from the city of Utsunomiya itself or passing mentions that are actually covering Utsunomiya Light Rail as a whole. Per WP:NTRAINSTATION, this station doesn't appear to be notable on its own. This page should either be deleted or redirected to the rail system page linked above. Garsh (talk) 16:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Along with several other stations for the reasons above. Please speedy close this AfD unless there is somehow a consensus to delete it instead of redirecting it back to the line article.
This disambiguation page lists the primary topic and one other topic. The correct thing to do here is delete the disambiguation page and find a suitable hatnote for the top of Data structure. PROD removed by @N2e:Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The DAB page lists the primary topic Data structure, one secondary topic, Data structure (blockchain), followed by one see also link, List of data structures (a navigation aid for the primary topic). WP:ONEOTHER states that If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, and one is the primary topic, then a disambiguation page is not needed—it is sufficient to use a hatnote ... If an existing disambiguation page does not appear to be needed because there are only two topics for the ambiguous title and one of them is the primary topic ... it may be deleted if, after a period of time no additional ambiguous topics are found to expand the disambiguation page. The DAB page was created in December 2020 and tagged with {{One other topic}} in November 2023. If we cannot find more than one secondary topic here, the page should be deleted.
Furthermore, I would view Data structure (blockchain) to be a spurious secondary topic. The link is a redirect to Blockchain#Openness, created following the 23:24, 4 December 2020 bolding of data structure in the sentence Proponents of permissioned or private chains argue that the term "blockchain" may be applied to any data structure that batches data into time-stamped blocks. This refers to data structure in its primary-topic sense. So while it's not the subject of this AfD, I don't think Data structure (blockchain) is an appropriate name for this redirect; it should either be renamed to Blockchain (data structure) or deleted. Preimage (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NTRAINSTATION, train stations have no inherent notability. The sources in this article, and others online, only mention this station in passing as an addition to Bankok's Orange Line. This page should either be deleted or redirected to the orange line page. Garsh (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Agree with Jothefiredragon in that there doesn't seem to be any point in singling out just this article; a mass nomination would be more appropriate. That said, at worst these should be redirected rather than deleted, so unless the action proves controversial AfD doesn't seem necessary. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources provided do not establish notability per WP:NEVENT. Perhaps because all persons on aircraft survived (after it drove off the runway). Aircraft driving off runways (after landing) are sort of common, and if there are no deaths, not sure this will ever get much coverage from independent sources. Granted, the crash was recent, and perhaps more coverage will arise in the coming weeks or months. See also essay WP:Too soon. Noleander (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Grffffff - If you think the article meets the WP:Notability requirements, you should write a paragraph here explaining how it was a signficant event, and describe some sources that discuss the event in some detail.
The line between notable and not notable is not black and white. It can take awhile to get the gist of it; in general: it requires a few sources to talk about the subject IN DEPTH, not merely reporting on it as a minor, passing news event. Also, ask: will people still be taking about the event a few years in the future?
Google translated from one of the sources: “A video circulated on social networks of the moment when the aircraft arrived at the airport for landing before the accident, where it was also possible to verify the adverse weather conditions, with heavy rain.” keep in mind heavy rain. Grffffff (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article should not be deleted as it notes an incident that doesn’t occur daily. It involved the loss of the aircraft as well. Grffffff (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree on this. This incident is notable enough to warrant an article but would have to be almost completely rewritten due to poor quality. IDKUggaBanga (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like you no shit. The aircraft was destroyed and people were injured. I think the Tenerife Airport disaster was not a major accident Grffffff (talk) 15:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteShows no notability, small airline, small accident, 12 injuries on a flight does not automatically determine notability, same thing with fatalities on a flight, just because someone was injured or died does not mean that that it is automatically notable. WP:NOTNEWS
(extra note: apologies for any formatting issues as this is my first time using mobile to edit) Lolzer3000 (talk)
Something of an odd case, as usually a post office that old is attached to a town. But I could find no documentation of one here, so "just a post office' seems to be the verdict. Mangoe (talk) 14:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The concept of paradigm classification is not clear and not widely used in the sense of a two-dimensional classification structure. This article really has only one reference, and that is a blog by William Denton called Miskatonic University Press. According to that text, paradigm classification is not a subset of faceted classification. That is not accurate, according to Denton´s blog. The term can also be used in the sense of classification of paradigms, which is how it used in the Ahlberg paper. So, paradigm classification is not widely used and it is used in different senses. In any case, the concept does not warrant a Wikipedia article. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG, not a notable state unit of the Indian National Congress, as it is only a region within a state and has no legislative assembly having noteworthy state-level elections. Only the units of states and union territories having legislative assemblies are notable enough to have their own articles. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 03:47, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update: A brief web search makes this a clear keep. Coverage like this [42][43] alongside mentions like [44][45] demonstrate that as one might expect, the world's third largest political party's founding branch in the world's seventh largest city is notable. Toadspike[Talk]11:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are 700+ districts in India, each having their own District Congress Committee, Mumbai is just one of them. Reason why there's no page for city or union territory wings of BJP, CPI, CPM etc. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 06:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I propose merger with Pradesh Congress Committee. In fact, every district in every state has a regional congress committee. Mumbai congress and other territorial congress committees fight only the municipal elections, they are not notable enough. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:08, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG, not a notable state unit of the Indian National Congress, as it is only a territory and has no legislative assembly having noteworthy state-level elections. Only the units of states and union territories having legislative assemblies are notable enough to have their own articles. I am also nominating the following related pages because [of same reason as above]:
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No participation here yet which is even more important in a bundled nomination. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!03:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'm coming from the Mumbai AfD, where I found the subject to be clearly notable. I ask that some time be given to discuss the others because I suspect that this bundled nom was based on a general assumption that these non-state parties are not notable, without considering the vast differences in importance between them. Toadspike[Talk]11:09, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was declined numerous times at AfC, until the article's creator simply moved it into mainspace. This is more of a personal essay, not an article. As per [WP:NOTESSAY]]. Onel5969TT me14:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The subject is a UAE-based collective management organization that has received significant coverage from industry sources like Billboard, satisfying WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:GNG. The article can be further revised for tone and neutrality. Cleanup or advert tagging would be more appropriate than deletion. Subject has no relationship to past deleted articles titles "Music Nation". Mrmctorso (talk) 15:01, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a company which means it must meet WP:NCORP. In order to do so, there must be sources meeting WP:ORGCRIT. I can only find routine coverage such as this and mentions such as this, all of which do not add up to the coverage necessary for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User comment – If consensus leans toward deletion, I would prefer that the article be moved to draftspace rather than deleted outright. The article is based on verifiable, independent sources and documents a legitimate public–private rights initiative in the UAE. There will be opportunities to improve with additional coverage. Mrmctorso (talk) 19:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Contested Prod without improvement. Other than the single reference listed, searches turned up zero in-depth coverage of this event. Searches in A History of Brunei by Graham Saunders did not even see a mention of it. Similarly, nothing was mentioned in Brunei - History, Islam, Society and Contemporary Issues. Onel5969TT me09:29, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails NPOL, not inherently notable, sources are not significant and are only annoucing his appointment and coverage related to a small controversy, but no significant coverage of the subject found in multiple reliable sources. GrabUp - Talk05:38, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Article fails WP:GNG. Most of the detail is unsourced and possibly WP:OR (e.g. "He had been created by Ravana as a test-tube baby."). Only sourced detail "Atibala was a servant of Lanka king Ravana." can be added on Ravana page if it can be verified, but the current detail fails verification from the source - source says Atibala was Yama in form of a sannyasin. Asteramellus (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ref 2 is available via the Internet Archive [46] and doesn't match this article at all. Ref 1 agrees with the Ref 2. This basically makes this article a fabrication. Toadspike[Talk]10:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails GNG - no significant coverage in reliable independent secondary sources - and NPOL - "being an elected local official ... does not guarantee notability" Paul W (talk) 13:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article may not meet WP:GNG notability requirements. That requires multiple INDPENDENT sources (news outlets, for example) to discuss the product/company, and they must discuss it in some depth (a few paragraphs). The sources currently listed are from product's own website, or are minor technical documents, or from collaborating companies. Noleander (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a well-known independent institution in Hong Kong. Multiple local news agencies have reported findings of such institute which they are well cited.
Comment: Xpander1, you have created this article as a translation of the de.wiki article and then you yourself have nominated it for deletion 3 minutes later, with this "Notability assessment" rationale. I am not understanding what you are seeking to accomplish by these steps and such a non-specific rationale? AllyD (talk) 19:51, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I just had translated the page, that it got blanked here by User:Onel5969 (on notability and verifiability grounds), therefore I thought I'd bring the page here so that it's better assessed by reliable consensus. If this rationale is not sufficient, then I would be happy to withdraw the nomination. Xpander (talk) 10:11, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are all primary to the leagues and clubs that the subject has played for and all I could find elsewhere was [[47]], which was published by a student newspaper and as such isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 12:22, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - notability is not established. Does not appear to have played competitive football for five years and only briefly participated before that. C67912:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Meets neither GNG or NMMA, and as it's the only page the creator has ever worked on, I'm going to say probably a vanity page, or at least some sort of conflict of interest. Nswix (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Bow actually meets WP:NMMA, having been top 10 in the world in FightMatrix rankings in several years.[1] While the article certainly lacks a whole lot of references and needs to be worked on regarding WP:NPOV among many other issues, it still has grounds to become approved. Ticelon (talk) 09:19, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - primary schools have never been considered automatically notable on Wikipedia, and have always required allegations and evidence of notability. There's no showing of any notability here. Bearian (talk) 21:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: agree per nom - not able to find much for WP:RS. Sources currently used seems mostly promotional and also e.g. without any staff writer in the byline - simply as "NEA News Service", "Express News Service". Also, e.g. I see that one news source link is flagged as "potential security risk". Asteramellus (talk) 12:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hard delete or Dratify. Also note that the IP that requested for undeletion is part of the same range (124.104.0.0/16) that has history of disruptive editing which I reported one of it (124.104.16.92) previously to AIV (diff) hence I believe that this AfD should be Speedy closed as IP is likely block evasion based on the same behaviour-check. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was soft-deleted in an AfD 2 years ago, so not eligible for that again. No improvement from that article. Will quote Paper9oll'S rationale in the AfD: "Failed WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, and WP:SINGER with WP:BEFORE on Google/Bing (English) and Daum/Naver (Korean) showing lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. While, she has released couple of songs, none of it charted on the Circle Digital Chart, the national chart of South Korea." Onel5969TT me10:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hard delete or Dratify as per nom. Did a re-BEFORE—two years later, it's still the same as it was back then. Also note that the IP that requested for undeletion is part of the same range (124.104.0.0/16) that has history of disruptive editing which I reported one of it (124.104.16.92) previously to AIV (diff) hence I believe that this AfD should be Speedy closed as IP is likely block evasion based on the same behaviour-check. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A WP:SPA article on an IT company which was active 2007-14 when it was acquired by ScaleBase, itself then acquired by ScaleArc. I placed a WP:PROD on the article in 2015, which was removed by an IP, after which the original article creator posted this message on my Talk page. The partnership announcement references fall under WP:CORPTRIV and I am not seeing evidence that the firm attained notability. A redirect to ScaleBase is a possibility, but that article may itself be suitable for AFD, and the prior Prod probably means that an AFD is the better process. AllyD (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been flagged for multiple issues starting in November 2024 without improvement. Having performed a WP:BEFORE I an unable to find references that show that they pass WP:NACTOR. Awards are stated in the article as facts, most are unreferenced. I have examined 100% of the current references and find that none contribute to WP:V of WP:BIO, and I have flagged those I found wanting. My conclusion is that they are decent actor, but a jobbing, WP:ROTM actor, and that we are WP:TOOSOON in their career. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 08:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Draft:Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma: This title was previously a redirect to Jane Schoenbrun until the redirect was overwritten with the move from Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma (film). The article should have been merged with the draft instead of being moved to overwrite the redirect. This article's content should be merged with the draft, along with a WP:HISTMERGE of the two, and then the redirect from this title to Schoenbrun's biography should be restored. Protect this title and any of its variants (which should likewise redirect to Schoenbrun) to prevent any further creation in mainspace until the draft is ready. silviaASH(inquire within)08:59, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a sidenote, the film has actually in fact begun filming per Schoenbrun's Twitter account. However, as reliable secondary sources have not reported on the production at this time, the nominator is correct that the film should not currently have its own article. I would advocate an early WP:IAR close of this AfD to restore the appropriate status quo of redirection and implement the merge to the draft. silviaASH(inquire within)09:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets GNG and seems to be a semi-big budget film produced by Brad Pitt and starring Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson. Not your typical run-of-the-mill slasher film. Maybe merge the best parts of the draft to this page. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:18, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There wasn't really that much in the draft to speak of. However if the article is kept I believe the draft history should be merged into the history of the mainspace article. Given the significant media attention afforded to Schoenbrun's previous success with I Saw the TV Glow, this film will definitely be worthy of an article, the question at hand in this AfD is whether or not it's WP:TOOSOON. silviaASH(inquire within)13:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks SilviaASH. Since TOOSOON is an opinion essay, and this page is already GNG well-sourced as a film which is now actually filming and not in the idea stage, I felt a keep the better option. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unnecessary disambiguation page. Only two people with an article with a primary topic. The other two listed are a non notable musician and a non notable character. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. Chief Executives of County Councils don't seem to be inherently notable, as opposed to say, an elected politician serving as council leader.
2. The article resembles a pseudo-biography, as much of the content is dominated by an event/controversy that could be restricted to either the article on Lincolnshire County Council or Jim Speechley.
3. I was unable to locate significant secondary source coverage of the subject (all the hits revolved around the story at the heart of the article), and the career details in the article rely on a Who's Who entry. Leonstojka (talk) 09:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It looks that she was a minor character in the controversy, and none of the articles in the page or that I can find are ABOUT her, just mentions at best. I do find a brief, local source when she is appointed as the first woman CEO to the council, but it's pretty shallow. I find more sources about her successor after she left that post. I just don't get any hint of notability beyond her patch. Lamona (talk) 03:03, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have added additional sourcing and content to the article. Barrow's notability is established by discussion of her tenure in an academic book, plus significant coverage in multiple news articles relating to her tenure in Lincolnshire and Surrey, examples of which I have included in the article. These mean that the article is now more balanced away from the focus on the Speechley controversy and has a far wider sourcebase. Taken together with the Who's Who entry and the existing sourcing, this makes a strong case for meeting GNG through SIGCOV in reliable sources. Barrow's position as the first woman to be in a CEO role of a top-tier local authority in the UK adds to this notability claim, though I do not argue that it is fundamental to it. —Noswall59 (talk) 14:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]
I looked at most of the sources and I still do not see any that would rise to notability. I am not able to see more than a snippet of the Leach book, but according to the index her name appears on only one page. The articles about her becoming school head are brief (one is only 3 sentences) and these are routine short news blurbs for local positions - not notable. The three BBC links are about someone else and do not mention her. I think that whole paragraph needs to be removed. The one full-length piece about her is from the Lincolnshire Echo - possibly a good source, but that's only one, and it has the disadvantage of being only of local scope. As I can't see all of the sources, could you indicate which ones you determine to support notability? Thanks, Lamona (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. To be clear, the Leach book discusses her tenure as CEO over at least 2 full pages -- it is not just a passing mention, but an analysis of her role in the context of managing the coalition and supporting the delivery of the new leadership's agenda.
A source being a local newspaper has nothing to do with notability. GNG simply requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The following demonstrate this, alongside the Leach book:
The Staines & Egham News source is reliable and independent. It is 8 paragraphs long and entirely about her and her career.
The Lincolnshire Echo article is an entire page of content about her; again, independent, reliable and SIGCOV.
There is another article which is 9 paragraphs long entitled "'Why Can't We Ask Why County Boss Left?'", Lincolnshire Standard and Boston Guardian, 22 January 1998, p. 7. This is entirely concerned with her sudden departure. Another reliable, independent source. I have just added this to the article.
She is also the subject of a near-whole-page feature: "Council Boss 'Secret Deal'", Lincolnshire Echo, 3 January 1998, p. 2. Again, reliable, independent and significant coverage. I have also added this to the article.
Finally, whilst I know that Who's Who books are typically vanity publications, the one I'm using in this article is not -- it is highly selective and produced by Oxford University Press. It does rely on information being submitted by the subject, so is not a secondary source and cannot support controversial points, but it's still usable under WP:SELFSOURCE for the basic facts of Barrow's birth and education and I've restored it as a source there. As a selective source about the subject, it is also very pertinent to these discussions around notability.
There's probably much more that could be found in newspapers -- the challenge is that her name is mentioned so often that trawling through indexed results takes a lot of time (many of these papers were not digitised when I created this article). Nevertheless, in my view, the coverage outlined above, alongside the discussion of her role in the Speechley controversy, provides ample evidence of meeting GNG. —Noswall59 (talk) 09:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]
The RS:Perennial sources does list the UK who's who as unreliable. WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Who's Who (UK). The WP article - Who's Who (UK) - appears to include the OUP version although it gets a bit confusing with the listing of multiple publishers - I'm assuming we are talking about the same publication. A selfsource still needs to be a reliable source, and I don't think that we would include someone here solely on their appearance in who's who. I still contend that she is of local interest only, no different to any other admirable civil servant, and has done nothing that would arise to notability. This is confirmed, IMO, by the fact that her info is only carried in news sources that serve local communities of small populations. Even the Lincolnshire Echo only has a circulation of under 3K. The KPMG report was commissioned by the Lincolnshire County Council, so that again does not demonstrate interest to a larger community. Admittedly my idea of "small" is cultural, but a national news source would do much to bolster notability here. Lamona (talk) 18:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re Who's Who, the perennial sources list you've quoted states that "it should be regarded as a self-published source", and as per our guidance on self-published sources (specifically at WP:ABOUTSELF): "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities". Hence, whilst it might not be considered reliable, it is acceptable to verify the basic facts of Barrow's birth, parentage and education. But my point is less about the quality of the sourcing, and more about the fact that inclusion in Who's Who is a useful indicator of notability. As they say, it "Contains autobiographical listings of people from around the globe who have an impact on British life" and the inclusion process is discussed here (scroll down). It is indeed published by OUP. I'm not sure I see your comment that it includes 32,000 people as a weakness -- these include living and dead people from Britain, its former colonies and the wider world going back to the late 19th century. Wikipedia has 1,704,254 biographies by comparison -- I'd wager we have plenty more UK biographies too. Apparently, we're a lot less discerning here than Who's Who.
That matter aside, notability is assessed based on significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources. I've provided multiple instances of these above and in the article. There's nothing in any policy that I've encountered which says sources need to be national in scope or that the subjects of articles need to be relevant to anything more than a "local" setting -- as long as they are attested by sigcov in independent and reliable sources, they meet GNG. Otherwise we'd never have articles about species which are endemic to small locations, local elections, lower league football teams, or even places or other notable local buildings. —Noswall59 (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have missed the first sentence in the perennial sources list: Who's Who (UK) is considered generally unreliable due to its poor editorial standards and history of publishing false or inaccurate information. That's the part that worries me. Also the legend for its coding states: Outside exceptional circumstances, the source should normally not be used, and it should never be used for information about a living person.Lamona (talk) 03:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, those two guidelines (the perennial list and ABOUTSELF) seem to be directly contradicting each other then. I'm not sure of the way forward on that and personally disagree with that given ABOUTSELF. But even excluding Who's Who (and I still think it's a good indicator of notability), I maintain that the article meets GNG based on the other sourcing. –Noswall59 (talk) 08:59, 16 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Merge to Lincolnshire County Council per comments of Ramos1990. Although I do think it is possible that she could be somewhat notable considering she was the first woman chief executive of any county in England, but probably not notable enough for stand alone article. Also add a note that she was first woman chief executive of any county in England or add something like that. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The main source for this article was the Dictionary of Turkish Legends, which was deleted (in what I think is not a great move) because the linked PDF was hosted on Wikipedia. See p. 24. I don't know how to effectively search for reliable sources in Turkish to find any more useful info. -- Reconrabbit14:46, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral as I can't assess the new sources. Their being in Turkish is no hindrance to their acceptability, I just can't auto-translate them well enough to assess them. --Here2rewrite (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added several Turkish-language sources to the article. While there are no English-language references at the moment, the topic is covered in Turkish scholarly and folkloric works, which is expected for a subject rooted in Turkish mythology. According to WP:NONENG, non-English sources are acceptable if they are reliable. The article can be improved further, but it shows signs of notability within the context of regional mythology. I believe it should not be deleted. – Gökhan Can (talk) 20:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article does not meet WP:GNG. There is no evidence of significant, independent coverage from reliable sources to establish a lasting impact in the field. Most references appear to be minor news snippets, social media, or self-published material, which do not qualify as substantial verification under Wikipedia's standards. Without additional, credible sources demonstrating notable achievements or career recognition. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶13:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your claims are demonstrably false. Reverse this unjustified nomination for deletion. You have claimed multiple falsehoods which are against the Community Guidelines of Wikipedia.
To clarify:
List of nationally and internationally distributed news organizations referenced in the article:
- The Inquirer.net
- The Philippine Star
- ABS-CBN News
- the Manila Bulletin
- Mega magazine
- Philstar.com
- PEP. Ph
All sources explicitly note Stacey Gabriel and her notable activities.
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Meanwhile your claims of "self published" material being used is false. Note an example of it or kindly retract your false claim. If you cannot back up this claim, nor retract it, your submission will be flagged as an abuse of Wikipedia policy.
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"Without additional, credible sources demonstrating notable achievements or career recognition"
Multiple independent sources outline dozens of TV series episodes Stacey participated in, as well as her participation and placing 1st Runner-Up in the 2024 Miss Universe Philippines competition are noted. This is in addition to her success in the national Binibining Pilipinas pageant.
Are these not notable?
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"social media"
There are no social media references in this article.
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Given no evidence to support this unjustified action, reverse this flagrantly unjustified and deceptive nomination for deletion. Mickfir (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Mickfir (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
I want to clarify that the nomination was made in good faith, based on a review of the article’s current sourcing and in line with WP:GNG and WP:BIO some of the listed sources are reliable, and this Afd only for english version. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶17:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why include false claims that social media and self published material was used as references? There is not a single referenced source that was self published nor any reference to social media. This is a harmful oversight at best and deliberately deceptive at worst.
As for notability... I repeat, dozens of interdependently verified TV Episode performances and multiple national pageants including Miss Universe Philippines as 1st Runner-up. Mickfir (talk) 17:15, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me check! WP:AFD is not only for deletion it's a basic procedure to determine whether an article is suitable for Wikipedia. Many contributors will review it and vote, so there's no need to panic just let the contributors decide.𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶17:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Let me check" ? You nominated this article for deletion without even checking if the claims you are making against it are true?
"basic procedure to determine whether an article is suitable for Wikipedia"
No. Wikipedia best practice clearly indicates that if an article has areas for improvement, the 'Talk' page should be used to suggest edits, or you make the edits yourself.
• Keep. Most of the claims made by @S-Aura about incorrect sourcing were false - made without even checking them first. The IMDb references have been removed as per the advice @DoclysMickfir (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have another skim reader. Shame the wiki community is so full of them. May I respectfully remind the administrator assessing this that this very nomination for deletion was made under false pretenses of nonexistent social media and self published citations. There are none.
Multiple independent sources outline over a dozen TV series episodes Stacey participated in with national distribution, as well as her participation and placing 1st Runner-Up in the 2024 Miss Universe Philippines competition are noted. This is in addition to her success in the national Binibining Pilipinas pageant. This, in addition to a nationally recognized prison ministry program.
Note to admin: the comments justifying the original nomination for deletion by @S-Aura contain false claims about the citations of the article. Not only does this invalidate the original AfD nomination but the community members that utilize false claims should be cautioned by admins.
Summary:
Claim: "Most references appear to be ... social media, or self-published material,"
Reality: there were never any such citations. All citations are from nationally, and in some cases internationally distributed news organizations.
This AfD discussion was raised under false pretenses and should therefor be retracted. AfD nominations should not be justified by outright falsehoods. Mickfir (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Highlighting that you justified this AfD by making false claims is not a personal attack. Your claims are either correct or false. There is nothing personal. Just accountability. May I ask why you chose to include false information in your AfD nomination? Is not the Wikipedia Community dependent on telling the truth? Wikipedia:Don't lie
Or can you list which citation was from "social media" or "self published"?
Keep per WP:POLOUTCOMES - the subject was mayor of a state capital of over 100,000 residents, and so is likely to be notable. This is comparable with a mayor of Albany, New York. By comparison, we recently deleted the article of the mayor of Schenectady, New York, a smaller city that is not the state capital, but is still the 9th largest city in my state. Bearian (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Bearian's argument, as mayor of a region with population over 100,000. Though I will note that the sources used that describe him in any detail, here and on Tagalog Wikipedia, are of poor quality, mostly being Facebook posts and Wordpress. -- Reconrabbit15:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I do not see sources establishing notability. Not every politician that becomes mayor of a 100,000 region has a stand alone page like this. Plus facebook is not a good place for establishing notability. Ramos1990 (talk) 02:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Franchise includes Lucifer (2019) and L2: Empuraan (2025), two of the highest-grossing Malayalam film series, with significant coverage in dependable sources. Meets WP:NFILM as well through substantial coverage in reliable, independent sources, such as reviews and box-office analyses for Lucifer and promotional coverage for L2: Empuraan in outlets like Times of India and Indian Express. WP:NFILM does not require a franchise to have a certain number of films to be notable. WP:CRYSTAL would only apply if the article includes unverified predictions or details about future developments. I guess you would argue the third film, L3: The Beginning. A source could be added about production information or a release date. Though, I'm still voting to keep this article. Editz2341231 (talk) 23:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We often keep articles on groups of creative works because it is more convenient to centralize information than spread it over multiple articles - does that apply here? Do we lose anything by deleting this that we don't already have on the two film articles? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retired mid-level program manager at NASA. Just as a university Dean is not automatically notable, I don't see how her prior position by itself passes notability. Google Scholar (MC Roman) yields only 1-3 cites for her publications, so she does not pass WP:NPROF#C1. All awards are internal, so I don't see them as proof. No WP:SIGCOV, just a few routine mentions. Page was a long unsourced essay, and current version (trimmed by nom) has little that is notable. While I am sure she played a role in developing the space station, I don't see enough. (I am willing to be proved wrong.) Ldm1954 (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I agree that her publications do not meet WP:PROF, but a 2021 book (Wonder Women of Science) includes 13 pages on Roman. She is also a recipient of NASA's Silver Snoopy Award which is given to 1% of people in aerospace. This information is now more clearly presented in the article. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think there'd be room for this in an article about the BBC as a whole (this is not a statement on whether I think this subject is notable, just a comment on the above post). RobinCarmody (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Tons of pages link to it because it is included in a template on every article relating to BBC Radio 4. (See the content of the template in external sources.) I don't know whether this supports 'keep' or 'delete' but it does explain the proliferation of this link even on articles that are not directly related to this specific program. Lamona (talk) 00:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes, it is on a template. Nevertheless, there are lots of wiki pages that link here with relevant content about Book of the Week. I have had a look. Many linked pages are about well known actors or narrators whose readings of the books were broadcast. Their readings are noteworthy parts of their careers.This is nationwide radio and the series has been broadcast for decades. Almost everyone in the UK would have heard of it. This page is part of the fabric of the wiki, so it should be kept. Snowman (talk) 08:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but create a category that can be used on books that are featured on the program. (I suppose that there may need to be subcategories for the years?) This would make it possible to retrieve all of the books on WP that have been featured. As a stand-alone, I do not find sources ABOUT BotW, but I do find sources about the books themselves. Also, the term "book of the week" is not exclusive to BBC 4, so the category term should include that. Lamona (talk) 17:09, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
keep. Yes, it is just a definition of the term. It is also a stub and a disambiguation. And includes references to texts that contain FULL HELL LOT OF FURTHER INFORMATION. The nomination demonstrates a brilliant example of what "lack of due diligence" means. --Altenmann>talk04:18, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreed. Different subjects. "Police accountability" goes in far more depth simply because it is a buzzword. "Supervision of police personnel" has nothing to do with "police accountability": "accountability" is how police is seen by public, while "supervision" is internal police works, well-defined by the corresponding regulations, with results not necessarily reported to public. --Altenmann>talk06:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I created this article simply because I need to disambiguate the term "police supervision (disambiguation)", about which nobody paid attention in Wikipedia so far. Since I dont have interests in police work, I created a stub, sufficient to cover the requirements of notability of the concept. --Altenmann>talk06:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Before !voting I strongly suggest to take a quick look into the sources cited and see with your own eyes that the subject does deserve an article. --Altenmann>talk07:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IMO it would be better to improve the article instead of deleting it, StreetComplete is not the same as OSM. I'm not super familiar with Wikipedia but IMO notability seems to be fulfilled with several different sources covering the topic.
Also, could you please be more specific on what parts are "promotional" and how they could be re phrased.
An extremely obscure word appearing occasionally in Aristotle's work
Aristotle contrasts chresmatistics, which is the art of money-making, with economics, which is the art of household management in the Politics and in the Nicomachean Ethics. (Aristotle used the word 'techne' where I use the word 'art'.)
The term and category of chresmatistics is totally inessential to understanding Aristotle's views concerning which ways of acquiring wealth are legitimate and which illegitimate, or any other philosopher's views. And though the article may point out some real parallels between the criticism Marx and others made of capitalism, I don't think this very obscure Greek word has any real significance, and that any valuable content on this page should be merged to more frequently read general articles concerning philosophical critiques of capitalism, ancient ideas about economics, or into the articles of specific philosophers who developed Aristotle's ideas. Even then, I think that that material would be appropriate only if the later philosopher made this distinction between money-making and house-management a central element of their position. ForeverBetter (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: While I cannot comment on the relevance of the term within the philosophical discourse, there are several academic papers, usually in business ethics as well as some coverage in media towards a lay audience. These either have the term in their title, or feature it within the first few paragraphs prominently.
Previously tagged as potentially not notable, tag removed from author and author has previously challenged prior PRODs. Nominating other articles that are similar in lack of notability at this discussion. I have done searches on all of these, there is no significant or lasting coverage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:13, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let me keep it clear. Why only those? Why is that the only thing you want to delete because it didn't reach Wikipedia Notability, Why? Does the 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, 2022 and 2025 Marilao local elections, are those reached the Wikipedia's notability to be an article? Those were the only half of the Local elections in the Philippines that's seems didn't reach the Wikipedia notability to be an Article. If you're really concerned, why would y'all questioned those page/s, not only mine, respectively. James100000 (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and I did not go through all of them. I had previously nominated those in Majayjay, so checked on the others. I found the Santa Cruz 2007 one through NPP. Those others can most likely be nominated, I can look for information on them tomorrow to see. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 03:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think for the better of the doubt instead of deleting those and this page/s, why would we just put the Template:more citations needed? I think that's the better we could do, because all of the Local Election pages in the Philippine politics weren't that important and whatever citations/references i put in the page/s i've created were that, I can't find anyone else, because that's how it is. Local elections are not getting much media attention, most of them are focused on the national election, respectively. James100000 (talk) 03:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it's not getting media attention, then it fails WP:GNG. We can't make election articles solely based on database entries. Our basis of creating articles is only if someone else wrote about it. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability. Fails WP:EVENT. All keep voters in the previous discussion erroneously cited news coverage as meeting GNG or made baseless arguments about death count. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸00:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: AfDed before. Not eligible for soft deletion. Relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete World-wide flash-in-the-pan coverage is not extended coverage, which is what WP:GNG actually calls for. It's depressing that accidents involving Muslim pilgrims in Saudi Arabia are all too common, but each individual such accident is a datum, not an event of lasting notability. Mangoe (talk) 15:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability. Fails WP:EVENT. Unable to find any secondary coverage besides a couple passing mentions in Spanish-language articles about other crashes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸00:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Primary sources don't confer notability. The sustained coverage in each of those articles is, respectively: two sentences in an article about another crash, six sentences in an article listing crashes, two sentences in an article listing crashes, and three sentences in an article about another crash. If they were all like that second one, then I'd maybe be willing to call it borderline. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸02:42, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Symbian, without prejudice of re-creation with proper sources and references. In its current form, this is an article that should have gone through WP:BLAR easily. MarioGom (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Can we get some more inputs on the newly added sources and the ATD proposed? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sonya Deville#Various alliances (2021–2025). Does not qualify as an article, but the stable was a part of career of Sonya Deville, Shayna Baszler, and Zoey Stark. Two reasons to keep the redirect: 1) Readers search for it and they look for some info about this stable 2) Like many stables/groups in WWE, there could be a chance for the revival of this stable in the future with new members. A redirect and summary works better for this case. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Any support for ATD redirect? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i've add links to biographical data, the sources can only be found in his own social media livestream as short drama actors info are in general lacking online. I've included the link and even the timestamp at which he mentioned those biographical data Laiwingnang (talk) 10:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
also want to mention such info are usually hard to come by because short drama actors are not signed to any publicist or angecies..so they don't have staff to register them with movie databases, fans have to get that info from their livestreams, from social media, but fact is short vertical dramas are highly popular in china with hundreds of millions views/social media engagement and are now being seen by millions on youtube/tiktok internationally through many drama apps, they are more relevant than many mainstream actors from china. Laiwingnang (talk) 13:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
added a reference for his short dramas, they are listed in a WeChat application named WeTrue. It's a market data research company used by short drama industry insiders...but it is a built in app inside china's wechat and requires a wechat app installation to access the data. A link to their www feed page is added, any link on that page will give you a link to the wetrue application, upon clicking the application link will launch the data application on wechat. Laiwingnang (talk) 10:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the industry used wechat app wetrue is a more reliable source than the ones you mentioned, it's the imdb for chinese short dramas. What you referenced are mainstream news outlet paid to write articles for agencies to hype up their stars. It's pay per play. Fact is Teng Lin is at 200k followers on china's douyin with an total of over 3 million likes and many chart topping popular short drama just in the last 12 months, many of the c-list musicians, actors who doesn't have a hit with next to no followers get to have a wikipage because their agency pumps articles about them and register them with all types of websites. China isn't America, they are not stuck in the www page age, apps like weTrue or dataeye are used by millions of drama fans and industry insiders for chart data and new releases. They are more reliable sources even if they aren't through http. They don't rely on www page that probably gets like 50 clicks. That's really an American thing. Laiwingnang (talk) 09:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
also want to mention, his short film trailers have millions of views on tiktok...he's not only relevant within, china, but also internationally. His recent dramas are getting subbed by kalostv, reelflicks, flicksreel and other drama apps and many are amongst the most watched short dramas internationally. Alot of activities are happening on apps , www news site gatekeeping pay per play is 2010s. Laiwingnang (talk) 09:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
spotify is on app, social media is on apps, netflix in on apps, in 2025, most of what the public consume is on apps, so should short drama apps like wetrue or dataeye be considered as legit sources as well Laiwingnang (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
if you want a www article, here's one...the first short drama awards and Teng Lin won one of the 3 actor awards. He's one of the top short drama actors , doesn't make him less relevant just because he doesn't have an agency to pay for written articles Laiwingnang (talk) 11:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
he's also on douban, china's imdb ....so googling might not show you results, but it's there
This is basically another promo article paid by the film company, he refuses to talk about his person life and family and he is not signed to any agency, so these types of promo articles only mention him because he's involved in their projects. Laiwingnang (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good find. I didn't find any evidence that the article was paid for by the film company. If it was paid for by the film company, then it wouldn't be considered an independent source so would not contribute to establishing notability. I agree that the article has limited biographical coverage about him as it's focused primarily on his appearance in the short drama and how netizens responded to that. Are there any other reliable sources like this that discuss him? Cunard (talk) 05:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
here's an article that mentioned another of him and his drama topping the charts...but not focused on him
here's one where his female costar was interviewed and there's a mention of him, but as he doesn't do interviews and doesn't have an agent to force him to do publicity work. it's really hard to get any articles about him specifically and even when they write an article about him like in the article i provided earlier, he did not participate
Thank you for providing these sources. I agree with your assessment that the first and third sources provide passing mentions of him, while the second source mentions only his role but not his name. Cunard (talk) 08:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unlikely copyvios, since these are all from Commons category|Road signs by country - Commons would have deleted copyvios. — Maile (talk) 12:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a textbook case of WP:NOTGALLERY. I don't buy the copyvio argument above (except maybe with one or two exceptions), but that's really beside the point. At best, this belongs on Commons. There's no way to verify that these are current, or that a state doesn't use multiple variants, etc. -- just a bunch of (often low quality) snapshots of these things. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - we actually have a bot that periodically goes through all articles and deletes state-owned images. An example is here, which removed an image I'd put on. The exception is if the images were taken individually and uploaded individually. The bot takes time and makes errors. Just an FYI. Bearian (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NLIST as others have said. Also individual state welcome signs (and tourism slogans in general) generally tend to be notable with sources written about them whenever they're changed. Flyingfishee (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Can we get a discussion based on the source eval of the sources found, as well as on the notability on the list as a whole entity per NLIST? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:31, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see lists of signs like this from other countries. Each state has to delineate itself from another, but that is not enough for notability or a stand alone article. Each state sign can be put into the main article of the state if anything is to be salvaged. Ramos1990 (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEONATURAL. It is a national reserve [62], covered by various media [63][64], travel guides [65], etc. It should be renamed to its real (official and local) name of Playa Lucia, since the "Dead Dog Beach" name is, as the article explains, a media fad / shock marketing thing. MarioGom (talk) 18:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability. Fails WP:EVENT. The only retrospective coverage I can find is one sentence where it describes the response as only nominal. Everything else that comes up for me covers a different bus crash in Jajarkot from 2021. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸22:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I find it hard to accept that an accident killing 47 people is not notable. It certainly would be without demur in Western Europe or North America, so I think WP:SYSTEMIC applies here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't think this single event merits its own page. Does not have WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Tragedies are reported all the time, but if they do not have a notable impact to wider issues, then it may not be enough. Ramos1990 (talk) 01:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I find it hard to accept that an accident killing 54 people is not notable. It certainly would be without demur in Western Europe or North America, so I think WP:SYSTEMIC applies here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. Just noting that the previous AFD closed as Keep (and same nominator). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One of the deadliest traffic accidents in Guatemala [67]. Still recognized as such through sustained coverage: 2009 [68], 2019 [69], 2025 [70][71]. If someone is up for expanding on the topic, I would recommend merging to a new article for Vuelta el Chilero, since this is a deadly spot that is very widely covered in Guatemalan press. MarioGom (talk) 21:06, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: I'm expanding the article as I go through Guatemalan news archives. There's quite more content to expand on the investigation, since a congressman was the owner of the bus, and his congressional immunity was stripped, leading to a long court case. MarioGom (talk) 23:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus is leaning towards a keep now, but also I see one ATD developing. Can we get some eyes on that too, please? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable. Simply a list of matches. Insufficient independent sources that discuss this topic in depth. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate repository of data. Noleander (talk) 01:22, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unsure about nominator's rationale - of course an article called 'List of X matches' is a "simply a list of matches". These kind of of articles can be notable, see e.g. List of FIFA World Cup finals. However, I do not think 3rd place matches need a separate list/article. f sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman08:32, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As Sdkb and I discussed on article talk page, the only element of SIGCOV is the LA Times obit. While that might suggest that there is more coverage, searches on google/newspapers.com have not turned up any more, so we don't have GNG met here. Eddie891TalkWork09:46, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Frank Seaver, an article about his uncle and his uncle's company (WP:ATD-R), where I added the references from this article. "One sentence does not an article make." This source demonstrates how the subject was overshadowed by his uncle in regards to the Hydril Company, and therefore redirecting something like this is a common solution. Yes, the subject is a member of a prominent Southern California family, which was connected to an even more prominent Californian, Edward L. Doheny; however, even Doheny's children are not blue-linked in his article. The Daily Bulletin article is overwhelmingly about Frank; the Los Angeles Times obituary which mentions the subject's philanthropy of the arts (it's in the arts section), although different from a regular paid notice is still not enough to justify a dedicated article, per WP:GNG. I'm finding many passing mentions of the subject in connection with him chairing various fundraisers and sitting on committees (sometimes ones chaired by his aunt). However, I fail to see how any of this warrants a standalone article (stub). See also WP:PHILANTHROPIST, which advises against attaching this label to anyone who ever donated a substantial amount of money to a cause. StonyBrookbabble22:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Any comments in the ATD proposed? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: Earlier PROD-nominations were based on failing to find sources, which the re-write shows is objectively untrue. The AfD is now proposed mainly on WP:BIO, WP:RS, and WP:SIGCOV, which again reflect lack of WP:BEFORE and an appeal to policy (without specific discussion) that I address below. For instance, for user User talk:Onel5969, who voted above and originally nom. for PROD, several issues regarding lack of due diligence in PROD/AfD have consistently been raised on their talk page that concern me.
WP:RS—This is trivially untrue. Subject of the article is literally the headline of independent and published news from several news organizations such as The Economics Times, Deccan Chronicle, and The Quint. No significant research is needed to create a profile of the topic from these articles and it's more than a passing mention (or routine announcement) as the subject was the primary advocate of mult-year high-profile trial (see: Asaram for defendents profile and stature). This also satisfies, in my opinion, reliable, independent, and sources criterion of WP:GNG.
WP:SIGCOV—Additional citations within the article, where the subject is not the main topic directly, but critical part of the story support significant coverage, such as the coverage in the Caravan magazine, The Print articles. These may include interviews but are not the basis of the subjects profile. Further, coverage spans several years (2013-2023) indicating WP:SUSTAINED.
@A. B.: There is enough to indicate notability. There are multiple non-NEWSINDIAORG sources that have provided significant coverage to Solanki. It includes this and this. I would also say Keep. Koshuri(グ)04:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The HinduThe Print and Caravan Magazine would be the most reliable, Anything associated with the Times group is up for debate imo. However, given the subject matter, I doubt money changed hands except maybe to promote the film (I'm neutral about the Deccan Chronicle, tho I've seen bad coverage from themselves at times). Sohom (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It goes a little deeper than the publication itself. Even reliable publications can have articles that fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The best thing to look for is the byline. Anything that is marked "entertainment desk" or "news desk" is likely to not have editorial oversight and possibly paid. This, this and even the Deccan Herald article (not the byline of PTI - indicating churnalism) used in the article are all examples. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:34, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I don't think this article passes muster purely from a WP:BLP1E point of view. If we zoom out for a second and try to look at to the sources, we see that every single source mentions the individual in the context of the much more notable Asaram Bapu case. The man is known for a singular thing, and that is as the attorney of the godman case, something that can be sumarized in the parent article.
The article in it's current state has a total of 4 sentences that are unrelated to his involvement in the case, none of which have been independently reported on (outside of the context of the other case) or are notable if stood on their own merit. As a result, I support deletion, even without considering the reliability of the sources involved (some of which like the economic times can be of dubious reliability at times -- but probably aren't in this context). Sohom (talk) 17:21, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment, Soham! On reviewing the WP:BLP1E conditions, to my reading, it doesn't appear that all three conditions are met. Specially, for condition three, the event is significant and the subjects role in it is well documented. Even if bulk of the notability comes from that event, and BLP1E is a concern, does it directly merit a deletion? Considering that the initial PROD and AfD nom wasn't even about the specific issue, one can't help but feel that goalposts are being moved. If considering a merge, it is hard to place this topic in Asaram but I am not entirely against it as a seconday outcome. Let me know if my understanding of these guidelines are incomplete. Cheers! — WeWake (talk) 03:21, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I see another reference has been added which again is tangenital to the mans career rather than the man himself, essentially a passing mention. I don't think you can build a case for WP:BLP1E and didn't think so when I opened the Afd but I'm more sure now than then, that he is non-notable in this instance. scope_creepTalk04:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The citation is to support the specific statement re: verifiability. There are existing sources addressing their career. Cheers! WeWake (talk) 06:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a messy stub that hijacks its interwiki. Korczak ran two notable orphanages (Nasz Dom, https://www.wikidata.orgview_html.php?sq=Netflix&lang=en&q=Q11789892, and Dom Sierot, https://www.wikidata.orgview_html.php?sq=Netflix&lang=en&q=Q6431490). The article nominated here (Korczak's orhpanages) is incorrectly linked to Q6431490 (all other wikis in it are about Dom Sierot specifically); it also doesn't make obvious the concept of "Korczak's orhpanages", combined, has stand-alone notability (I see some passing mentions in my BEFORE, but no clear SIGCOV). The current article has just one (non-English) reference and is a stub; I suggest deleting it as it also seems to contain many errors. For example, it gives dates for its two orphanages, unnamed, as 1911-1942 and 1918-1940. The dedicated Wiki articles have different dates (1912-1944) and 1919-1946, reactivated in 1991). If our underreferneced stub cannot even get basic facts straight (such as names and dates), dubious notatability aside, WP:TNT is needed. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here03:24, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete / redirect to Janusz Korczak and hopefully articles about the orphanages can be written separately. I dont see a point to have a joint article that is a stub about both of them, conflating the two. In his bio (Lewowicki, Tadeusz. "Janusz Korczak." Prospects: the quarterly review of comparative education (2000).), there is only a mention of the "Krochmalna Street orphanage." for which land was purchased 1910 but not much more information. --hroest20:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete the name is not agreed upon and widely sourced as in the 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, the reporting always puts it as a detail and not the main event (again as in the Alawites' case). While the events are devastating, I do not see them as more than a section in the Southern clashes article, and also we should refrain from solely using SOHR for these.
Why do you say the reporting puts it as a detail? Many of the citations already in the article talk about it as the main event. It's also causing ripple effects in Israel and many Israeli articles are talking about it as the main event. E.g. 1 and [-- 2A05:BB80:32:B913:5D54:1EA:B2D5:200E (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article in its current form blatantly misrepresents what happened like the usual Assadist propaganda that has been in Wikipedia since 2013. Daseyn (talk) 12:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clashes denotes a clash between the military of one side and another. But here we also see targeted killings of civillians which are reported on by RS and in enough quantity to justify a separate page Genabab (talk) 00:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add another comment, the SOHR numbers state the total number of executed civilian Druze as 10. I have to mention that there are 42 Druze that were ambushed in Suwayda Governorate on the Damascus-Suwayda motorway, but the SOHR does not mention wether they were fighters, civilians, or a mix of both. But the news outlets that do specify mention only fighters (like France 24). I do believe the civilians killed were massacred, but they were not mass massacres for a separate article on them like the massacres of Alawites, which that article is also under discussion to be merged with "Western Syria clashes (March 2025–present)"
Keep: WP:NEVENT is satisfied. Delete arguments so far are not policy-based. Title or potential NPOV violations do not justify deletion. Redundant forks require merge discussions, not AfD discussions.TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 17:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I disagree; WP:REDUNDANTFORK has been used in previous deletion discussions, whether for deletion (this, this, or this), merging (this, this, or this), or redirecting (this, this, or this), thus I believe it is a valid argument to use. Considering that the two articles' scopes are very similar and this article's relevant content already was moved into there (and this article only has 3 paragraphs about the killings, so it can be fully merged without much trouble anyway), I think that this article is redundant. Asclepias tuberosa (talk) 20:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The page, which was a crystal ball created on 1 May 2025, contradicted media reports that Druze factions had reached de-escalation agreements with the Syrian government by then. For example, BBC reported on the ceasefire and end of the clashes on 1 May 2025. The BBC report's summary of the clashes during 28-30 April 2025 made no mention of any "massacre". Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 12:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There was fighting as late as yesterday despite the ceasefire, and there have been many extrajudicial killings of Druze. Either the Golani regime doesn't have control of the myriad Jihadi factions that see Druze and Alawites as justified for slaughter (regardless of the past regime), or he condones it. FunkMonk (talk) 07:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clashes have ended. Also, fighting=/=massacre. In this case, 5 civilians were killed in cross-fire, which isnt a "massacre", much less "massacres". Apart from this, in wikipedia, pages of massacres are titled based on their location. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not redundant. Much of the material, especially in the background section, is not covered in the "clashes" article. Eigenbra (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The background section can be moved to the Druze in Syria article, and the only info from this article not in the Clashes article is the journalists being arrested, "At least eight government-affiliated fighters were also killed", and the Sahnaya Mayor's death. The poultry facility civilians, Damascus-Suwayda Road ambush, and Suwayda villages being shelled are in the Clashes article, and having a separate article for 4 sentences about the same topic does feel like a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Asclepias tuberosa (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose moving the background section as you suggest. It serves as useful background in this article. There is no reason to move it. Eigenbra (talk) 14:08, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You still haven’t adequately explained why this article isn’t a redundant fork (nor why relevant background info shouldn’t be moved to a more appropriate and more detailed article). You’ve just argued that the background info of this article is useful, but should an article be kept just because it has background info? Shouldn’t the article’s titular content be more important to determine if this should be kept or deleted? Asclepias tuberosa (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus here yet. Maybe a source analysis would be helpful determining an outcome as there are claims from some editors that this article is false. If you make further comments, please ground them in policy and guidelines, not political opinions. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!01:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Southern Syria clashes (April–May 2025) or keep. The broader article is relatively short, so the standalone article, which has a lot of redundant background content, is currently not justified. That being said, I think this matter could be addressed as a regular editorial dispute in the talk pages. The article could be standalone if there's enough distinct content justifying it. MarioGom (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The facts matter in this case. How many Druze have been killed? The infobox says 10, but other sources say 43 or more. Bearian (talk) 09:13, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Whether or not the victims were armed is not relevant to it being considered a massacre. This is an evolving situation. IMV the request to delete is premature. Merging this with a more general article on the Druze is an option but this could be examined at a later date.
In terms of future development of the article one could look into whether the attacks on Druze are sponsored by the regime or carried out by rogue elements. GelvinM (talk) 04:22, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I see a lot of coverage on the Druze matter specifically, not including it as a detail on the Alawite massacres. ꧁Zanahary꧂03:56, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per Liz, again. I'd suggest more input based on our P&Gs please. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources, whether on or off Wikipedia, should be viewed with caution, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI. Apart from that, activities like announcing annual/quarterly results, joint ventures, capacity expansion news etc., are merely routine coverage WP:ROUTINE, regardless of where they are published. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is an easy WP:NCORP pass as I can see adequate analyst coverage [74][75][76] and significant media coverage [77][78][79]. Large publicly traded corporations are generally considered notable, yet the nominator continues to send such articles to AfD, seemingly without conducting WP:BEFORE checks. Yuvaank (talk) 01:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. Report by HDFC Securities - There is a disclaimer on slide number 11, which clearly states the following; "HSL or its associates might have received any compensation from the companies mentioned in the report during the period preceding twelve months from t date of this report for services in respect of managing or co-managing public offerings, corporate finance, investment banking or merchant banking, brokerage services or other advisory service in a merger or specific transaction in the normal course of business."
2. Report by YES Securities - The disclaimer on page number 11 explicitly states the following: "Since YSL and its associates are engaged in various businesses in the financial services industry, they may have financial interest or may have received compensation for investment banking or merchant banking or brokerage services or for any other product or services of whatsoever nature from the subject company(ies) in the past twelve months or associates of YSL may have managed or co-managed public offering of securities in the past twelve months of the subject company(ies) whose securities are discussed herein." and "Associates of YSL may have actual/beneficial ownership of 1% or more and/or other material conflict of interest in the securities discussed herein."
3. Report by PL Capital - At page number 8, in the Disclaimer section (Indian clients), we can find the following texts; "PL may from time to time solicit or perform investment banking or other services for any company mentioned in this document." and "PL or its associates might have received compensation from the subject company in the past twelve months."
These disclaimers are printed in a very small fonts in most cases, and we only noticed them recently because of Senco Gold's AfD. It's apparent that such 'analyst' reports don't qualify as reliable under WP:IS. Charlie (talk) 05:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Changed !vote based on a closer read of the declarations and not just the disclaimers, sufficient content in the reports to meet NCORP criteria. Delete Analyst report which contain disclaimers are not analyst reports, they're promotional advertorials. None of the sourcing meets NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing++ 17:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment CharlieMehta has quoted what appear to be generic disclaimers that every analyst must print on every single report, as required by SEBI guidelines for all registered analysts. We need to look at their "disclosure" specifically about the subject company of this particular report:
The analyst who authored the HDFC Securities report writes on Page 11, We also certify that no part of our compensation was, is, or will be directly or indirectly related to the specific recommendation(s) or view(s) in this report. Research Analyst or her relative or HDFC Securities Ltd. does not have any financial interest in the subject company. Further Research Analyst or her relative or HDFC Securities Ltd. or its associate does not have any material conflict of interest.
The analyst who authored the Yes Securities report writes on Page 11, The analyst hereby certifies that opinion expressed in this research report accurately reflect his or her personal opinion about the subject securities and no part of his or her compensation was, is or will be directly or indirectly related to the specific recommendation and opinion expressed in this research report, along with a table that clearly states that the analyst and Yes Securities Limited have no financial interest, no material conflict of interest, received no compensation from the subject company, not performed any investment banking or merchant banking or brokerage services, and not co-managed public offering of securities for the subject company which dispels the wording in the standard disclaimer.
The analyst who authored the PL Capital report writes on Page 8, We also certify that no part of our compensation was, is, or will be directly or indirectly related to the specific recommendation(s) or view(s) in this report.
I have noticed that as well. The disclosure appears to contradict the disclaimer within the same document. While SEBI likely has its own rationale for requiring both, it seems that disclosures suggest an absence of bias, whereas disclaimers imply that bias might exist but is being acknowledged to avoid responsibility or legal consequences. This contradiction leads me to question the independency of such reports, but ultimately, the interpretation is up to the majority. Charlie (talk) 12:16, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The key question must be, where in those reports can we see in-depth "independent content" about the company. Independent content isn't regurgitating company financial information, nor regurgitating the "outlook" that the company itself has on future business, or saying (based on company-provided financials) that "Q2 was stronger than Q1". The HSL analyst report has "Our Take" on the first page but arguably contains very little "indepdendent content" but there is a sentence, maybe two. The next section is better. Overall, I would say that there is enough in-depth reporting and independent comments/opinion in this report to meet NCORP criteria. Similarly, for Yes Securities, it goes beyond (just) regurgitating financial information and analyses performance in order to sythesise an opinion on future performance. In my opinion (and YMMV) the PL Capital report is too thin, insufficient independent content. Based on two good reports, I've changed my !vote. HighKing++ 15:19, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus is slightly leaning towards a keep now, but a little more input regarding the disclaimers and further analysis would be helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 01:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Despite all the reports and disclaimers stuff, I did find some stuff on them from CNBC [80] and some small trade publications [81]. For what its worth, I think this is borderline notable. Ramos1990 (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another attempt at re-creating Incineroar, which was previously AfD'd in 2020 as a result of lacking the coverage needed for an article. The reception is almost entirely WP:ROUTINE announcements regarding the character, WP:VALNET sources, which do not provide notability, or brief listicle rankings without further SIGCOV. There's also a large chunk relating to Wolfe Glick, but it's not clear why this is relevant; a certain person liking a Pokemon is not important unless that importance is defined by other sources and illustrated in impact: i.e, if Glick's relation with Incineroar resulted in a reevaluation of its popularity, it led to any particular movements, etc.
I've previously done research on Incineroar, and the Pokemon is just non-notable; there's no real SIGCOV on it outside of TheGamer and Smash announcement articles, with the latter falling under ROUTINE. Litten and Torracat have comparatively even less coverage, and don't have any SIGCOV individually or with Incineroar that would be able to salvage this article's Reception. As it stands, I'm not seeing the coverage needed for a separate split here, and I'd support a redirect back to List of generation VII Pokémon as an alternative to deletion. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:56, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Wolfe Glick part (which was originally in its own section) is meant not to display his opinions on the Pokémon, but their history and how that led to Incineroar becoming his signature Pokémon. I know it sounds odd, but it was notable enough for me to be able to write a paragraph on it. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 02:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. Lacks significant coverage, and is otherwise an attempt at a Voltron article combining multiple lacking topics into one topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:57, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unlike the other multi-Pokémon articles, there really isn't that much of a strong connection of notability between even Litten and Incineroar, and unfortunately, even Incineroar has notability issues. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 05:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate on your SYNTH and IINFO claims? The article passes WP:NOTPLOT and I don't see any violations of SYNTH. I also believe the large amount of reviews allows it to pass SIGCOV. Even though the topic isn't the main subject of the reviews, it is more than a trivial mention. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I see sources from Kotaku, Polygon, VICE, and Time Magazine. The subject certainly isn't just covered by Valnet sources and the amount of reliable sources makes me really doubt that it does not pass GNG. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering Litten and Incineroar is the main subjects of the two articles, I also think the Inverse and The Game Haus sources should be taken into account. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because they exist in sources does not mean the subject is notable; there's a difference between Wikipedia:SIGCOV and Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Let's take a look at each source you specified.
-Kotaku has three references. The first, "These Are Your Pokémon Sun and Moon Starters", mentions Litten twice, once in the first sentence, and then only once more as it describes what Litten does in a trailer. There's no commentary here or indication of impact here at all. The second, "The Creators of Pokémon Explain Why Sun and Moon Has Ridiculous Monster Designs" does not mention any of the line at all. The third, "Pour One Out For Popplio, The New Pokémon Starter That Nobody Likes", only says that Litten was popular and well-liked; this isn't really SIGCOV, it's just saying a basic fact. At most this is one sentence: Litten was popular. Note that neither Torracat or Incineroar are not mentioned at all in these sources.
-There are a lot of Polygon references so let me run through the list real quick. The first, "Take a closer look at Pokémon Sun and Moon’s new monsters", is a quick "We like it" statement before going into summary of the character. The second, "Pokémon Sun and Moon’s starter evolutions may sway you on which partner to pick" is again a trivial "We like it statement", followed by basic (albeit dramatized) summary of Torracat's in-universe lore. The third, "Pokémon Sun and Moon’s newest Pokémon are one-of-a-kind", is short, but I suppose not terrible. The fourth, "New Pokémon Sun and Moon video reveals more Ultra Beasts, Z-moves for starters", mentions Litten once, and does not comment on it beyond mentioning it. The fifth, "Incineroar is the newest Pokémon in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate", is just a ROUTINE news piece announcing Incineroar is in the game. The sixth, "The staff of Polygon officially crowns Pokémon Sun and Moon’s best starter", is debatably usable, but again I'm not sure what you'd get out of it beyond "It's cute and well-liked". The seventh, "Pokémon Sun and Moon’s final starter evolutions officially unveiled in new trailer", is just a trailer summary that says Incineroar exists now. The final one "Everyone loves Sprigatito, the new weed cat Pokémon starter", mentions the whole "Litten on two legs" thing, but this is very brief and really only states it exists. While there's some crumbs here, I'll specify later why this doesn't really count for notability.
-I'm not quite sure what to make of the Vice source, because frankly I'm not sure how much journalistic credit we can give to an article that gives us this gem: "A large Snorlax rip-off called “$WAG.” A water-type Pokémon called “woke bae.” Clefairy learns a new song, and it’s “Why You Always Lying?” In the innocent and pure world of Pokémon, I fear the encroachment of fleeting youth slang and dank, dank, tropically dank memes." That aside though, the commentary here is largely just "Litten's name is strange and it looks cool."
-The Time source doesn't mention any of the three line members at all.
So what are we left with? A bunch of statements that Litten is cute, popular, and has a funny name. There's two reasons this doesn't work. One, the impact of this is not significant enough that we have enough content to split into a separate article. This is something that can be easily summarized into maybe two or three sentences, and given the lack of real major independent dev info (As Litten's is about the starters as a whole and not about Litten itself), Wikipedia:NOPAGE definitely applies here. Something merely having a lot of statements that "It's popular" is nowhere near enough for a separate article; it's why we merged Greninja a while back. NOPAGE states that: "Sometimes, a notable topic can be covered better as part of a larger article, where there can be more complete context that would be lost on a separate page". Given a lot of the Reception I'm seeing here is in conjunction with other Starter Pokémon, or are merely "It's popular" statements, it seems beneficial for this information to be kept at List of generation VII Pokémon, where this popularity can be more adequately compared and discussed alongside other similar species of Pokémon.
There's also the fact that this article is an obvious WP:COATRACK failure. All of the above comments are specifically on Litten. There's nothing on Torracat but summary that exists, and there's nothing directly addressing all three at once. Let's compare this to Popplio, Brionne, and Primarina. In that article, all three members were directly compared against each other by critics, and all three members are directly relevant to the others' individual Reception. These are topics that, when separated, make less sense than they do together. In this article, all coverage is either about Litten individually or Incineroar individually, and barring a brief mention that people disliked Incineroar as a final phase of Litten, which per NOPAGE can be just as easily covered at the Gen 7 list since it's quite literally one line of comparison, I see nothing really saying these three have an intrinsically connected Reception section. If you were to write articles on these three individually, they'd not only be non-notable, stubby articles separately, but they'd also be completely functional individually of the other. If you were to do the same for Popplio, Brionne, and Primarina, then you'd find three articles being non-notable individually, but with all discussing their relationship to the other. Per NOPAGE, those three articles have coverage, discussed as a group, to make them notable as a group, and be better discussed as one than on a list. Comparatively, Litten's line does not have that; it's just stacking three non-notable subjects together to make a non-notable group article.
Just because it exists in reliable sources does not mean the subject itself is notable. Notability requires SIGCOV, coverage that means it's better read as a separate article than as a merged article per NOPAGE, and that, as a group, all elements of the group are notable together, not individually. There's no reason why this should be a standalone article, and we have a lot of precedents to show that. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 19:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
Non-notable musical theatre actor. There are online reviews for a few things he has been featured in (for example, a Jack and the Beanstalk pantomime), but most results are just passing mentions in casting annoucements etc - there was also an article he wrote for The Independent about Alan Turing getting put on a new banknote.
I'm at weak keep at this moment. I did a fair amount of editing of the article and added more recent information along with references. So far I have found one solid review and other brief ones. He seems to be mainly doing musical theater now, and I will keep looking for sources. There are more sources that could feed into the article in the sense of comments by reviewers, if that would help. I'd like to hear what others think at this point, before I put more time in. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Clenpr:, care to provide a rationale why the sources cited in the article do not meet WP:GNG? In particular, the Brazilian Symposium on Games and Digital Entertainment, PC Gaming Magazine, and PC Format Magazine sources? ~ A412talk!05:33, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you find said issues (Total PC Gaming Magazine, February 2009;
Comment: The article has more footnotes demonstrating notability than actual content, so it doesn't mandate a deletion yet would barely count as a weak keep. MimirIsSmart(talk)04:05, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Schwede66! I did a quick search on my search engine and all the content that was displayed was of other clubs. Only this article was this Wikipedia one that told about this specific club. Because of that I don't think this is as notable. But, I may be using a search engine other than yours. If you find any sources from there please tell. saluere,Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs⚔03:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well, we have digitised newspapers in New Zealand at PapersPast; mostly up to 1945 but some going as recent as 1989. When I search for the phrase "Hamilton Rowing Club" (i.e. not just the words, but the equivalent of searching for a string of words in quotation marks), I get 1,942 results. Much of that will be routine reporting, but I'm sure there will be some gems in there, too. If you weren't aware of PapersPast, you wouldn't have found those results; you have to search through their website directly. As such, I shall place a keep !vote. Schwede6608:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]