Here, have a few Extras. :) It's a high quality, rather large (5MPx+) photo of the team while performing one of their display manoeuvres. This is also the only picture of the RJF in full formation available on Commons. As a side note: while it is true, what the article says, that the RJF have five planes, they have displays in formations of four, the fifth being for backup only.
I don't think the quality of the article in which the image appears is one of the criteria. The article may get better in time or perhaps there isn't that much to say about it. In either case the image has more value relative to EV for the subject rather than less. I would object, strongly, if the article was created solely as a container to place the image, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.--RDBury (talk) 18:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think implicitly if one DOES think that being in 10 high profile articles is good. Then the opposite is bad. In any case, I'm NOT asking anyone else to vote how I do. I just present my take. We all value EV versus technical skill differently. I am heavy on the EV and light on skill. We have lots that are the opposite. All for the good of Wiki. One team, one fight. Peace...bra! TCO (reviews needed) 19:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This photo does the job of illustrating the subject, but I have difficulty with saying that it meets the FP requirement of being among Wikipedia's best work. The photo seems unremarkable to me. Pine (was GreenPine)talk02:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is a beautiful, high-rez photo of the interior of the Main Reading Room at the Library of Congress, taken off hours, under what is almost perfect lighting. Not only a great photo, but a photo of a location where no photos are allowed (this is the best we had until I upload the nominated image). Frankly, I think this image speaks for itself.
Neutral I think libraries are best represented by their reading rooms, and this image gives a nice overview. So I moved it to the infobox where I think it does a better job than at the bottom of the page. It would be much better if there were at least few people in the image as well. I am a bit put off by the so-so quality at full size: lack of sharpness and chromatic aberrations all over the image. Also the full perspective correction did result in strong distortions at the edges. For comparison this I find better. --Elekhh (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. I will point out, though, that the field of view of your example is markedly less than the image given, but still shows notable distortion due to correction. I think holding against the photo the lack of people is not fair because getting this room empty, as it appears sans humans, is a notable occurrence; appreciate the pure beauty of the bare architecture. Lack of sharpness and chromatic aberrations would be fixed if I reduced image size to have a 1000 px side size. You'd see no evidence of it. However, the image is 6,100 x 4,100 px; appreciate this because you'll most likely never see a similar quality image free to use for all for the rest of eternity. Your standards seem a tad high. :) upstateNYer04:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't say I will never see a better image :) but you persuaded me with your last sentence. Change to weak support. --Elekhh (talk) 08:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is beautiful (definitely has wow! factor), makes the reader want to know more, and has enc. value. It does get a little fuzzy when you zoom in a lot, but it's not noticeable at any reasonable size. Puchiko (Talk-email) 18:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Big wow for me. Too bad the right arcades aren't lit like the left ones, and author could have fixed the CA as well. - Blieusong (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose adequate illustration of the subject, but the back of the image is blurry. I'd prefer an image with everything in focus to an image with part of the main subject out of focus. Pine (was GreenPine)talk03:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Crop is less than ideal: it should have more space in the front. But the major weakness is the unnatural flash lighting. --Elekhh (talk) 12:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. I don't mind not getting the gold star, especially on one like this from someone else, but I like to learn something. Do you mean the bottom or the left of picture when you say "front"? (I personally like a pretty tight crop as the thing is used for identification, but OK, also.) Also for use in articles, I tend to favor "short" aspect picture cropping as they work much better in text wrap than tall ones. For the lighting, can you describe more (just so I learn?)TCO (reviews needed) 12:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Front means in front of the subject, i.e. left of the image. When we look at the subject we imagine it is moving (yes, even a turtle), and it feels squeezed when is little space in front. That it is positioned downwards also feels "negative". Furthermore, the flash light of the camera is harsh and cold, creates an unnatural feel in contrast with the background. --Elekhh (talk) 13:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Public health campaigns tried to halt the spread of TB. This poster, created between 1936 and 1941 by the Works Progress Administration, urged the public to have good sleeping habits, eat well, and get enough sunlight exposure.
Reason
High quality scan, gently restored. Good EV. I replaced a lower quality and less useful image at Tuberculosis a couple days ago.
Meh I find that one confusing. Not sure what all the yellow is doing. I find the debonair fellow with the spit rag more useful for public health education. [1]. TCO (reviews needed) 01:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MUCH BETTER with caption explanation. I'm sorry, but I still have to oppose. Going to force myself to vote up or down. I just think the peice is too abstract to even be a good public health poster. I can't tell if those are grapes or bacteria in the cluster of yellow stuff.TCO (reviews needed) 12:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm having a hard time seeing how this has better EV than the image it replaced. The article talk about anti-spitting campaigns but there is nothing about a getting proper sleep campaign. The previous image was perhaps not FP quality but I don't see replacing it as an improvement. I'm including the old image for comparison.--RDBury (talk) 14:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The anti-spit picture came out because of a (now proved wrong) concern about the rights. I think most article writers would prefer the more clearly understood picture than the cryptic sleeping-eating one. I see it going back into the article, to be honest.TCO (reviews needed) 14:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Better than the cryptic yellow sun one. Because it is clear, the message. That said, as an article guy, ignoring any need for you to have an FP home for your pic, I would still choose the spitter just to optimize the article. The baby is a bit too cutesy.TCO (reviews needed) 16:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Federal Art Project just has one poster at the moment, so perhaps the "Rules of Health" could go there. The archive linked above has dozens of examples of WPA art which I presume is public domain, so I'm thinking a gallery might be in order.--RDBury (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The one image at Federal Art Project is enough at the moment, in my opinion. Adding another (or multiple) would be over-illustrated, given the length of the article. TCO: I'm only concerned with providing the best illustration for the article. Given that the poster of the fellow with the spit rag is not up to snuff in terms of quality, I thought it might be possible to get a better illustration that was worthy of FP. It's fine with me if your opinion is otherwise. Jujutaculartalk20:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You're right in that in terms of graphic design, color, quality of scan, etc, the WPA image is better, I'm just missing the EV. I'm just trying to think of better ways to use the image. Using too many posters at Federal Art Project might be misleading because the project did much more than that. But that archive is like a treasure trove of free stuff, it would be nice to find ways of using it.--RDBury (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. It's a great scan, but the original poster isn't very compelling. It seems quite jumbled and confusing, IMO. My first impression was that it was a picture of a woman passed out from drinking and taking lots of pills :) Kaldari (talk) 01:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A photograph of Egyptian activist Kamal Abbas taken during labor rights protests in 2010
Reason
A high resolution, very good quality, freely licensed photograph of Kamal Abbas, arguably one of the most important figures of the Egyptian labor movement and a prominent labor rights activist during Hosni Mubarak's reign.
Comment. An appealing photo of an appealing subject. I have a little TCO notability concern (I also worry a bit when I see Wiki being used for long articles on Middle East or Indian figures...just worry a bit about promotion, even though I sympathize with liberalism in the ME.) The black and white actually works pretty well in making the thing arty, but I wonder if it is legit in this day and age? Does make one wonder if the photo was from earlier in time (although I agree caption gives date). Also wonder about the eyes behind the eyeglasses. I guess this is how he looks irl though...just not sure.TCO (reviews needed) 12:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I understand you concerns about promoting figures that might not be notable but I assure you, this is not the case here. Kamal has been an activist since the late 80's and he is very well-known within the labour movement in general and in Egypt especially. I hope that you read his article to know more about his life and his role :-) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support The rule of thumb is that in portraits BW is used instead of colour to emphasise the facial expression, the emotions or total lack of those. For this reason I approve of the BW (note that in 1:1 you can see the most minute details of his skin). However, what I dislike is the reflections in the glasses. (air)Wolf (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record I would like to add I will oppose the colour version. Not because it's in colour, but because of the elbow next to KA's cheek. (air)Wolf (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Brilliant artistic expression using depth of field with clear intention to tell a story. The foreground is in sharp focus and draws attention to the emotion on the person's face – which hints at tired wisdom, a playful hint of a smile, the willingness to persevere. (I don't think I'm reading too much into this, since any wise person with wrinkles usually has this look, but here it was captured so well in a flash of the moment.) The depth of field is also used to blur the people in the background – which can represent a fast pace of events, or perhaps something less significant, or maybe something very significant, but moving too fast for comprehension – we don't know, and the photographer deliberately leaves this vagueness up for interpretation. There is no middle ground (only foreground and background) which can represent that there is literally no middle ground and no room for negotiation. In order to exist in the photograph, as in real life, the subject had to make a conscious choice about where to be – in one of two planes, foreground or background. At this moment, he is in the foreground and is in focus, but in a second, he can step back and disappear into the blurred background, into the crowd, into the fast pace of life and out of the frame. Love it! USchick (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would say there are three planes. 1. Abbas. 2. The men directly behind him, whose faces are distinguishable. 3. The people in the more distant background, who are completely anonymous. (air)Wolf (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I work in this subject area and wrote much of this article. I think the photograph is candid, vivid, engaging and generally an excellent portrait of a man. In captures his sincerity as well as his position relative to the crowd. The only flaw I see is in the glare from the glasses, but I'm not sure that is that much of a defect considering it really shows a social activist outside, in his element, among people and controversy. That's who Abbas is, and this photograph captures it quite well. Ocaasit | c20:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
the image is ceratainly well done, esp. in B&W, but im not acquainted with the technical requirements. otherwise i would support it and as one of current notability where available pics of the icons of the arab spring are hard to come by in good quality.Lihaas (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to comment on the quality of this image if I may, File:CharltonHestonCivilRightsMarch1963Retouched.jpg. It's way too dark with no detail at all in the jacket or tie. The intricate tie pin is completely lost. It's also very grainy. It looks like it was scanned in low res and then bumped up in Photoshop, which blew out any detail it originally had. This is very obvious if you look at the flutes in the column. It looks like they ran the despeckle filter too many times. I like the composition though. Compare the detail in both photos, especially the stitching in the collar of Abbas, you can count the threads. USchick (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great photo all around, I prefer the grayscale look (if that's the right phrase). This picture's a nice example of Hossam al-Hamalawi's work. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Cluttered background, unnecessary black and white. I would be tempted to support if we had the image in colour. I think it's a little worrying how much of this FPC has been talking about the subject himself and how we feel about him- we're here to judge the picture, and its role within the article. I can't help but compare this picture with File:CharltonHestonCivilRightsMarch1963Retouched.jpg (which is greyscale as it was taken in the early '60s) and I think it's very clear which image is stronger. J Milburn (talk) 10:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Milburn, this photo was shot in B&W by the photographer; i.e.: there's no color alternative. I'm baffled as to why everyone's considering the B&W nature of the photo in terms of age. If you take a look at the photostream I provided above, from where this picture was taken, you'll see the photographer (Hossam el-Hamalawy) frequently uses B&W in his photography. I believe the greater degree of contrast really enhances the subject in B&W photo, and I think that's the reason behind him shooting in B&W, rather than an attempt at conveying a false appearance of 'age' or 'nostalgia'. --Sherif9282 (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say that I believed that the image existed in colour, I said I don't see why we should have it in black and white. If we're presenting this as a photograph of the subject, the artistry has to come second to the encyclopedic value. Unless this person actually exists in a greyscale world, I'm not convinced. J Milburn (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the color! That said, Flickr has it as NC. Probably need a donation, unless it is in Commons and verified OK at some time. Raises questions about what we have here also (if derivative, etc.) Just something to check.TCO (reviews needed) 22:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The color version is actually a different one. The background is different and Kamal looks as if he was about to say something, which makes me think it doesn't count as a very good portrait, not as good as this one. Judging by the photostream on Flickr, there's only one version of this photograph, and it's in BW. There's also no need to worry about licensing; the original photo here had been uploaded under a different license, but was changed to a suitable one at our (Wikipedia's) request. Check for yourselves. If you've any further inquiries regarding the license, I'm sure I could get Ocassi or The Egyptian Liberal to help answer. --Sherif9282 (talk) 23:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, they are slightly different. Chances are we could get the author to release the colour one of this is it really makes a difference. JJ Harrison (talk) 03:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose While I do like the photo, I do not like photos that are unnecessarily black and white. This is a photo taken in 2010, I believe it is misleading to the viewer to artificially b/w it. -RunningOnBrains(talk)23:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Striking "weak", J Milburn's argument is quite convincing. We're not here to convey emotions, or show wisdom, or to portray a person in a certain light: such things would be unnecessarily POV. If the subject shows it, that's great, but putting it in B/W to intentionally convey those things isn't right by me.-RunningOnBrains(talk)16:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment about the B&W objection: I have talked to Hossam and he looked everywhere to see if he has a color version of this image but he couldn't find one. This this only version he has of this photo. He took it in black and white (If you look at this work, he mostly takes B&W photos, rarely colored ones). As for this image, its not same one, as you can see the mouth is a bit more open in it. Hossam has been kind kind to release some of his images so we can use them on wikipedia (even though his photos are his main income) that we wont be able to find under a free license anywhere else. As for the historical misleading issue that the B&W version might lead to, I dont think it will happen; This is picture of Golda Meir in B&W even though colored photos existed in her time. The reason Hossam takes a lot of his photos in B&W is because he feels it capture the subject much better and it shows more soul then the colored ones but that's his POV as an artist (Photography is a form of art). Some artists like to use colors while others like to draw with a pencil but they are beautiful in their own way :-) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 21:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, we are not art critics but we have a criteria to evaluate the image and I believe the image fits the criteria. If you dont believe so Please tell where do you think it fails. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 01:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You keep pointing out that this picture was created in greyscale, and that the artist frequently uses greyscale. That's fine, but it's not really important here. The fact it was created like this does not change the fact that a colour picture would be more appropriate, and we're not here to judge the artistry of the image, or how typical it is of the artist- we're judging this picture as an aid to understanding the article on the subject, not as a work of photographic art. J Milburn (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I fail to understand how a color picture 'better aids' or is more appropriate in helping understand an article on the subject. I further fail to understand how your objections relate in anyway to the criteria on Featured Pictures, could you point out the relevant criteria you are relying on in your objections? --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to point out that Ocaasi tried and so did I to try to get the colored version to be released under a free license but it didnt happen so we can pnly judge this picture, anyone who likes the colored one more should talk to Hossam and see if he can succsed where we failed and then he can nominate it the colored one. We judge the picture by criteria only. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 01:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is getting silly. You "judge the picture by criteria only", but try to argue that, because we have no coloured picture, we should be more willing to promote this one? No where in the criteria does it say that we must make do with the best we've got in terms of FPs- if a picture isn't good enough, we just won't promote, whether or not we have something better. At no point have I said "this one shouldn't be promoted, instead, that one should be"- I have only spoken about a hypothetical coloured image. It's perfectly reasonable for me to oppose this one, whether or not we have a coloured one- the way you're writing, it's like you don't understand that. And Sherif, my objections are tied very closely to the featured picture criteria, which specify the importance of encyclopedic value (this person does not actually live in a greyscale world, and so this is not a fair representation) and accuracy (as has been repeatedly said, the greyscale gives the false impression of age). Would we be supporting an image where the colour had been manipulated to give everything a blue tint? Of course we wouldn't, and so it seems weird to me that we're supporting this one. J Milburn (talk) 10:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough then. I indeed did not understand the relation between your objection and the FP criteria. I suppose it's a matter of different viewpoints (you relating B&W to age, me relating B&W to an artistic style). But I'd like to stress that the photo was taken in B&W not in color, i.e.: there was no manipulation. Just saying. --Sherif9282 (talk) 12:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don’t dislike black-and-white, and of course it can be very effective for portraiture. However, this photo is supposed to support an encyclopaedia article: having an image in greyscale gives a false impression of age. If possible I think the picture in the article should be replaced with a colour one.
Also I have a question: to the untrained eye this photo (and perhaps the colour one that is mentioned above) have areas of total black, such as the eyebrows, under the nose and in the hair. Is this a case of ‘blown-highlights’? TehGrauniad (talk) 20:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Closely related phenomenon often known as 'crushed shadows' or 'crushed blacks' (see here). 'Blown highlights' refers to overexposure, clipping the whites. These things may or may not be an issue, depending on the purpose of the photo, the expected detail, etc. --jjron (talk) 10:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there TehGraunied! Do have a read of mine and The Egyptian Liberal's replies above. No color version exists of this photo as it was taken in B&W (i.e., it has not been subject to editing). The photographer in question frequently uses B&W not to convey a false sense of age but because the stark contrast enhances the subject's presence in the picture. I'm not sure if the picture has blown-out highlights although I don't think this is the case here. --Sherif9282 (talk) 10:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Photomontage made by compositing 16 different photos.
Reason
A photomontage made by compositing 16 freely licensed images, IMO this is one of the best photomontages available and have very high value. (see Photomontages in Commons) Although according to FP criterion #8, digital manipulation is discouraged, but this is a fictional art work and fits very well in artworks category, this work should not be mistaken with a real landscape and criterion #8 doesn't makes it's EV any less.
Support Is featured prominently in article and seems integrated with text (and is a good illustration of the concept). In terms of photomontage art, I don't know enough to judge it. Not really my sort of thing...although I liked this one a bit better than the others on the page. Do think these sort of detailed images do better as a painting to stand in front of, rather than on computer. Certainly a substantial work went into the creation (kudos). I'm supporting because we need one photo like this in the FP grab bag and the fellow did so much work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs) 18:14, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
switching to neutral. I totally heart that we should have one of these images and the work in making it and love the Earth rising and all. Just feel like this thing is too unrealistic.TCO (reviews needed) 10:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I heard that. And please don't jump through hoops for my vote. Follow your artistic instincts and let the chips fall as they do. My only point is...sure it is unrealistic...but I just think to give the reader credit via some subtlety. Not obonk him over the head with "it is wrong". I think it's even more powerful artistically if it looks more real. to the exten that this succeeds as art it is because it sorta looks real...but then wrong also. That is cool and disturbing. I'm actually basically an oppose (I like to force myself to vote one way or the other)...but am just doing neutral since you are such a nice guy, busted your ASS to make this thing, and I don't want to discourage you!TCO (reviews needed) 12:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If I was going to support a photomontage for being a photomontage, I'd want it to look real. This one just doesn't- even though, obviously, we know that this has come from a number of different photos, it isn't believable. I don't feel like I'm looking at some strange fantastic landscape, I feel I am looking at a photoshop. J Milburn (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It is easy to remove some parts and add some other images to make it look more real, although it might have higher value as a photomontage, but IMO that would not be useful for Wikipedia articles, this image is only useful in image editing related articles, like photoshop contest, I believe viewer should be able to understand that this is a fictional and manipulated work in one sight. I could only add the mountains, the boat and maybe Mont Saint-Michel and make it more close to a real landscape but then it had less EV in image editing related articles, but now, viewer knows that this is a fictional work in first sight by seeing things somewhere that they don't belong to, like the Earth ■ MMXX talk03:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
IMO not always, it depends what are your goals and why are you making it, do you want to make a photomontage to illustrate image editing, photoshopping...? or do you want to deceive the viewer (like this)? do you want to make a fictional art work? or does it have to look real and follow some ethical and legal codes? yet, I do agree that fictional art works are better if they look real as much as possible, but being unbelievable is not a bad thing for fictional works. ■ MMXX talk12:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm also kind of on J Milburn's side. I'm not saying I could do any better, but there are heaps of giveaways that this is photoshopped, like different resolution of individual photos. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is that something we can see by the eye? Or some techie photo thing you see in photoshop? I think we need one weird futuristic image to balance out all the birds and mushrooms and tablefruit.TCO (reviews needed) 16:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I uploaded a new version, please let me know what do you feel when you look at it, is focus on different objects similar with it's surrounding area? ■ MMXX talk19:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The castle beside the Sydney opera house seems to be much sharper than everything else in the picture. Unfortunately, I'll be without internet for the next week or so, so I guess it doesn't really pay to change this just for me... Aaadddaaammm (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problems I raised in the PPR last year appear to be fixed and I can't spot any (substantial) new ones. I agree that this should be obviously fake, thus making it clear that the image was shooped. MER-C13:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I reviewed the image at PPR (link) last year. It has definitely improved, but I'm still not sure about it. I feel like I've looked at it too much to really be able to judge it well anymore. I will say I don't like the Earth image used, it's the element that looks most unreal to me. Something about the colors. Jujutaculartalk17:01, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know, the Earth is the most odd thing in the image, I tried it without the Earth too, but IMO somehow it makes the work more interesting, especially that it seems the person on the boat is looking at the earthrise when looking at the image, I wish people could experience similar amazement feeling that Frank Borman felt when they were taking a picture of earthrise, I'll try to change the Earth with another image with more real colors. ■ MMXX talk18:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can't do anything about the Statue of Liberty other than replacing it by something else, the Statue of Liberty is needed here and I don't think that's a good idea to change or remove it. I've made another version, using the Blue Marble which is closer to real colors. ■ MMXX talk19:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit I think it should be an obvious photomontage, because that shows the reader, in a picture, what a photomontage is (pictures montaged together). What I find great is the reflections of the objects in the water. The other "earth" is far more aesthetically pleasing. And it's always interesting to have something other than a regular photograph-such as an animation, illustration, or this-on the main page. Puchiko (Talk-email) 08:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think what's wrong with it is that it only illustrates the technique, but not the purpose (i.e. reconstruction, simulation, art). Thus EV is not sufficient IMO. --Elekhh (talk) 13:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would you please explain more about your comment? and your meaning of the purpose (i.e. reconstruction, simulation, art)? do you prefer a side-by-side work like this or this one as FP? IMO to a normal viewer who doesn't have any knowledge of working with image editing programs, this photomontage is an art, and it does illustrate it's purpose to them very well, the purpose of showing what can be done in image editing programs, showing to what extent and how, one can manipulate the images and the concept of photomontage. Please let me know what kind of manipulated/photoshopped art work will get your support for FP, thank you. ■ MMXX talk15:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What I mean is that photomontage is a technique which is used for a purpose. This image is not demonstrating any purpose, so it has lower EV than any which would. Photomontages can have different purposes, for instance to demonstrate how a proposed building would look like in the cityscape (simulation: example, another example and another example), to illustrate something otherwise not visible (reconstruction), or simply for art. --Elekhh (talk) 09:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The suggested attribution violates the terms of the CC licenses for the other photos, which require attribution. A reuser needs to credit all authors, not just MMXX. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the attribution method, now, the suggested attribution requires users to link to the original source where name of other authors can be found. I must add that I don't see any specific terms in CC BY-SA 3.0 license to force users of derivative works to list all the author(s) of the works which the main work is based on them, a work may be derivative work of many other works, and asking users to list and attribute all the authors would be a very hard restriction. ■ MMXX talk17:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The license says: "If You Distribute ... any Adaptations or Collections, You must ... provide, reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name of the Original Author ... (ii) the title of the Work if supplied; ... and (iv) , consistent with Section 3(b), in the case of an Adaptation, a credit identifying the use of the Work in the Adaptation (e.g., "French translation of the Work by Original Author," or "Screenplay based on original Work by Original Author"). The credit required by this Section 4(c) may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided, however, that in the case of a Adaptation or Collection, at a minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all contributing authors of the Adaptation or Collection appears, then as part of these credits and in a manner at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing authors." I still don't think your suggested attribution is sufficient - I'd just remove it entirely rather than having something inconsistent with the license for others' works. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it is acceptable now? or should I remove the attribution suggestion? by the way, I'm glad that this FPC and my photomontage has attracted your attention, I understand that you rarely contribute to FPC thank you for your comments. ■ MMXX talk18:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Haha well I used to vote a lot more. Now I'm a constant lurker but vote only if I think a nom is going to go the wrong way. Most things get resolved correctly (IMO at least) without me. :) As I wrote above (in a slightly later edit, so maybe you missed it), I don't think a link to the source page is sufficient attribution. (There is something in the edit box for text contributions that says a link is enough, but as far as I can tell there's no such click-through agreement when you upload.) Since the photographers have specified attribution share-alike they must be attributed by name too. You can either put the standard license and let reusers figure that out at their own peril, or you can put a suggested credit that lists them - but your current suggested credit is still not compliant with the license because it does not name the photographers as required (like I pasted above). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The reflection of the plane is too sharp and unrippled. Otherwise, I like the improvements since it last came to commons. I think the aim of an educational photomontage should be to show an unnatural arrangement of objects in as realistic manner as possible, so that the reader is both immediately aware of the hoax, but also convinced of its realism. --99of9 (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's better. The plane reflection is also in the wrong place (too far down the image) compared to the reflections of the clouds. --99of9 (talk) 06:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The plane seems to be in the correct distance and location, please see this demo, notice the different between reflections of clouds and the Statue of Liberty and compare it to the plane, because the clouds are in longer distance (depth) and plane is actually between the Statue of Liberty and clouds... what do you think? ■ MMXX talk11:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To me the planes reflection looks like it's only just behind the statue, but a long way in front of the clouds, which doesn't match my guess based on it's visual size. But I admit it's not far off, and I haven't done any calculations to test my estimation. --99of9 (talk) 05:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I like the concept of having a well-executed scene that is obviously shopped. I notice some minor flaws in the cutouts (boat against the water, mountains against the planet), but these are relatively minor. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support And that goes to either version, because this is an excellent example of the photomontage produced by photo-editing. I don't think the purpose was ever to portray the photomontage as realistic, but rather to show the capabilities of photo-editing. The various pictures fit very well, it's a high quality picture overall. --Sherif9282 (talk) 16:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose It’s a very good photo, it catches the weaves and folds of the plant’s head beautifully and is very well placed in the article. I think it comes very close to FP credibility: however, some of the plant’s head (particularly to the right) is out-of-focus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TehGrauniad (talk • contribs) 00:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (not to be negative...you do way more than I do.) FYI, I actually like that pic stuck down in gallery better for EV and even as a picture.TCO (reviews needed) 05:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I meant I liked this pic [2] better. Now squashed down into gallery at the very bottom, it is the shot that tells me what the plant actually looks like a bit more. Should be up in the article somewhere, even if you use a "head shot" for the lead. I'm kind of down on our tight cropped bloom pictures. It would be one thing if they accompanied decent plant pics, but I really think they are leading to an attitude of pretty snapshot over EV illusttration or even thinking the plant is the flower.TCO (reviews needed) 14:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry, I don't think this is the most encyclopedic pose for a species named for the colour of it's breast. In fact, I think the previous taxobox image was probably better in the taxobox. --99of9 (talk) 11:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think the pose is really good, there’ll always be a compromise with pose as you can’t see the whole of the animal in one photo. Just because it's called a white-breasted whatever doesn't mean that I want to see only a picture of it's breast. There is a shallow depth of field (if that’s what it’s called), but I think it meets the 8 criteria. TehGrauniad (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Have to agree with the consensus from 99of9. It's a stunning image visually but just a shame it's not from the front otherwise I'd support 100%. Regards, Fallschirmjäger✉18:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Azure Kingfisher (Alcedo azurea ruficollaris), Julatten, Queensland, Australia
Reason
Yeah, the depth of field is a bit thin, but that is because it is a very small bird, and the photo was taken in technically challenging conditions (1/20th, 700mm, iso 1600 wide open!). The important part is in focus, and you can still see the plumage clearly. One of my favorite birds I think. I spent quite a long time in a hide to get it.
Support I agree these guys are hard to get close to. Nice. It's amazing you can get an iso1600 to look so good! --99of9 (talk) 11:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral The bird looks great. Possibly spoiled by the bright horizontal branch in the backgroud that cuts through the subject. --99of9 (talk) 11:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to full support. Getting rid of the branch is nice but it's not required for establishing EV or a good view of the subject, and generally I prefer unedited photos for their authenticity. Pine (was GreenPine)talk21:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support both. Prefer original. I don't mind seeing the context that the bird is in, if it's in a tree then I would expect to see twigs and branches. Meets the 8 criteria. TehGrauniad (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a great pic for a number of reasons. The image has strong EV as the lead- it shows all ten aircraft, and they're even popping some fairly signature plumes- the Italian flag, when they themselves are part of the Italian airforce. The composition is great, the forboding sky is a nice touch, and while the quality isn't mindblowing, I think it's good enough.
Comment Thank you for the nomination. I would also like to add (perhaps someone will incorporate this piece of information into the caption, as I believe it might be valuable) that during each display the team make only one or two passes in full formation, at the very beginning. Afterwards the solo splits away, and all subsequent stunts are performed either by the solo, or by the formation of 9, as evidenced here. (air)Wolf (talk) 22:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit A good action shot, but a little underexposed in my view (hence the edit). A new telephoto I see? Did you manage to get a Wikimedia CH grant for it? JJ Harrison (talk) 08:37, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original - The increased brightness makes the bottom of edit 1 look a bit off. I think the original is clear enough as it is. Anoldtreeok (talk) 15:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Uploaded edit 2 which has a gradient mask on edit1 such that the original light of leaves in maintained whilst the rest of the image is slightly brighter. I think this addresses both concerns --Muhammad(talk)11:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Either the original or edit 2 is OK, but I prefer the original. If someone wants the image brighter, they can increase the brightness of their computer monitor. Pine (was GreenPine)talk08:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No - we should make sure it looks right for this standard, which proscribes image brightness. This is because you'd expect viewer devices to center around this standard and so anyone with a calibrated display device and environment would see the same thing. JJ Harrison (talk) 00:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- in terms of sharpness and resolution, the quality is poor. Also the oblique angle detracts from the encyclopedic value of the image. This was added to the Persepolis entry immediately before nomination. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 19:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support nice photo that meets the criteria. Having visited this museum, I an attest that it's a large building on a smallish site, and this is probably the best possible angle. You'd be pretty hard pressed to take a photo of any building in central Tokyo that doesn't have other buildings in the background. Nick-D (talk) 08:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weal Support Yes the resolution could be better but it meets the minimum standards of 1000px. The perspective shows the design of the building well, overall its a good image but it could be better. Fallschirmjäger✉10:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not sure that that actually is a crop - the area from where this photo could have been taken is quite limited (there's a train line just behind it, and a set of stairs to the left) so this looks like the best possible angle. File:Musee edo.jpg illustrates what the photographer was up against here - this photo was probably taken from the top of the stairs. Nick-D (talk) 03:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- this is not up to the usual standard of featured pictures. The resolution is low, and it seems to me that there is quite a strong colour cast to the picture. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 09:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a hair under "Greenland" on the third line, and a few specks of dust around the edges of the screen that should be cloned out. JJ Harrison (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not a fan of product placement, but that's not why I'm opposing. I'm opposing because there is absolutely no sense of scale in the photo. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm not opposed to these photos per se, I just would want to see something a little more impressive and eyecatching than this one. This just looks like it's been put through a scanner. J Milburn (talk) 11:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The above concerns are valid, but I like the simplicity and straightforwardness of the photo. Technically it is fine, and I like the uneven lighting because it gives shadow and depth to the buttons. Fix the flaws mentioned by JJ and you got yourself a support.-RunningOnBrains(talk)21:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agreeing with JJ. Also there's something about the brightness of this photo or the white background that seem distracting. It's an adequate photo of high resolution of the subject, but that doesn't make it a featured picture, IMO. Pine (was GreenPine)talk21:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose It is an excellent photograph. The quality is perfect, the resolution is amazing! There is only one small problem though, its not really a unique picture. It doesn't seem to me that a featured picture should be so common, there are thousands of pictures exactly like this! Dusty777 (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support although really all the chateu pictures look featurable. Maybe it is the impressiveness of the subjects or the lower technical issues in shooting a building.TCO (reviews needed) 12:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Really good quality and ev. I am a little disappointed with the image caption in the article of the Chateau itself, though. SpencerT♦C00:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose perspective distortions (@Rmhermen: because of them), strange bottom crop and tight cropped at right, could be larger for a 12 MP camera --kaʁstn16:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I agree, now the right tower seems leaning to the right (before it was leaning to center), I'll upload a new version shortly. ■ MMXX talk11:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - The nave of Holy Trinity Orthodox Cathedral, the Cathedral Church of the Diocese of Chicago and the Midwest, Orthodox Church in America, Chicago, Illinois looking east toward the iconostasis. Designed by Louis Sullivan, built 1899–1903.
Reason
Wikipedia has several featured pictures of Catholic Churches but almost none of Orthodox Churches. This picture is the one of the best ones I have found that depict the interior of an Orthodox Church.
Comment. Any reason not to photograph the building head-on? The tilt is a bit distracting, and the perspective-corrected version is even more weird looking. Spikebrennan (talk) 18:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The 'perspective corrected' version is over-corrected so now the it looks like the top floor is larger than the bottom floor. It appears that the image has been over processed in other ways as well, for example there is considerable color bleeding from sky into the building on the left. Also the boundary between the horizon and the sky on the left has a dark band that looks unnatural. The colors in general seem over saturated, e.g. the windows are blue, and in general the image gives the impression of a B&W image that's been colorized. Even without the technical oddities, the image isn't particularly striking and fails to create an interest in the subject.--RDBury (talk) 20:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The building is wider at the top (There is a bit of overhang, the verticals are vertical (or very nearly so, if anything they lean in slightly). I suspect some tone mapping or some other processing has gone on here. If you (ChrisEngelsma) still have the original, then I might be able to produce something better. JJ Harrison (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great composition, focus is excellent, lovely bird to boot. I was concerned about the non-natural environment, but the article does mention that they're found in gardens and such. J Milburn (talk) 11:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A little, the main challenges of boat are the unstable and moving shooting platform. The boat I went on, a dinghy, had quite a few people on it which made it difficult to support my 500mm (not used in this shot) steadily. JJ Harrison (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Original - A sedated tiger cub gets a medical check-up from Dr. Mewafak Raffo, left, a veterinary advisor assigned to 1st Armored Division, and Maj. Matt Takara, commander 51st Medical Detachment Veterinary Medicine, 248th Medical Detachment Veterinary Services, March 24, at the Baghdad zoo. The zoo has been a program of partnership between Iraqi zoo workers and U.S. forces for the past few years.
Reason
Great contrast between man and wild. It shows the gentle balance between adult and baby. Great color, High resolution
Sorry I also don't like the composition. There are 5 people in this photo, it would be much better if the 3 unimportant people weren't there. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - The St. Alexander Nevsky Cathedral is a Bulgarian Orthodox cathedral in Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria. Built in Neo-Byzantine style, it serves as the cathedral church of the Patriarch of Bulgaria and is one of the largest Eastern Orthodox cathedrals in the world, as well as one of Sofia's symbols and primary tourist attractions.
Reason
Very encyclopedic picture of Eastern Christian architecture.
Oppose, disregarding our personal feelings about this building (I'm looking at you, Ser Amantio), this is not a stunning photograph because: the resolution is not stellar, the lighting is dull, and the composition is too cramped at the bottom. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Good photo, it captures those golden domes beautifully, but I think it falls short of the FP bar. I think it's a little bit dark overall and that there's a loss of information/detail in the dark shadowy areas. TehGrauniad (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever was bred to "toll", or lure, ducks into shooting range by causing a disturbance near the shore. After the duck is shot, the dog brings it to the hunter.Edit 1Alt 3 Edit 1 The Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever was bred to "toll", or lure, ducks into shooting range by causing a disturbance near the shore. After the duck is shot, the dog brings it to the hunter.
Reason
Educational/"encyclopedic": an image of an attractive, rare breed of retriever in action -- not a boring snapshot. High quality: most dog action shots are nowhere near this clear and hi-res, and if there are any color balance/other issues (I'm not a photo expert) I could try to correct them using iPhoto or Photoshop. Most, including the one at right, would be more powerful if cropped, and I'm happy to do that as well. I've listed a few alternatives from the same set above, if others prefer those. Another pic from the same set is used in the gallery of the breed's article with a silly caption, but please don't hold that against the photos themselves -- many dog articles are neglected and this stands far apart from all the rest in there (I'll disperse some of the gallery pics as soon as I can). Note: One of these is a Quality Image on Commons.
Comment: I put up a cropped/slightly sharpened version of the Original to the right, and replaced the thumbnails with cropped and slightly sharpened/contrast-enhanced versions (originals are linked). I'm hoping they look alright. I think Alt 2 looks wonderful cropped, perhaps better than "Original". Annatalk05:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question where are any of these photos in the article? I don't see them on the side or in the gallery. The recommendation for Featured Picture candidates is that they've been displayed in an article for a week before they're nominated. Pine (was GreenPine)talk08:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. At first glance I was discouraged by the water, but on closer inspection it seems to give good EV given the use of the dog in hunting. I have a strong preference for Alt3 and could possibly support an edited version of it (doesn't need much more than an improved crop - it lacks headroom given the space elsewhere). But for en:FPC it does have to be in the article, and in more than just the gallery, and needs to be likely to stay there. I believe this is the one from the 'set' currently in the gallery (which does have a trite caption, and the dog frankly looks rather demented in as well)? --jjron (talk) 10:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt 3 Edit 1 per my comments above (as long as it sticks in the article). FWIW I re-edited back off the original, rather than editing the edit shown in the gallery at the top of the nom. Also added it to a more prominent place in the article (adjust as necessary). --jjron (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and note to nominator why not use the caption "The Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever was bred to "toll", or lure, ducks into shooting range by causing a disturbance near the shore. After the duck is shot, the dog brings it to the hunter." in the article and in here for Alt 3 Edit 1? I could support Alt 3 Edit 1 if it stays in the article. Pine (was GreenPine)talk21:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. This is an FPC that would have been better put Picture Peer Review to deal with this kind of issue before coming to the FPC list, in my opinion, because there are several minor issues that need to be addressed, and having so many versions creates clutter in my opinion. If it doesn't pass on the first round, you might re-nominate the best image with the best caption at some time in the future. Pine (was GreenPine)talk21:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice -- I'll be more discriminating next time -- and sorry for not responding earlier. Thanks to jjron as well -- lovely edit. Anna(talk)04:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the nominator won't mind this. I'm going to add my suggested caption to Alt 3 here and in the article. With that done, I will conditionally support Alt 3 edit 1 if those changes stick. I could support Alt 3 but Alt 3 Edit 1 is in the article. Pine (was GreenPine)talk04:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Panoramic view from Agassiz peak. Included in picture is Flagstaff, AZ (left center), Bill Williams Mountain (background center) and Kendrick Peak (right center).
Reason
It is of high resolution, the contrast and all the stuff is great. Meets all criteria pretty much, with the exception of a good caption.
Weak support Would be nice if the image had more vertical pixels and a stronger caption, but other than that, it's OK IMO. With a stronger caption this might get full support from me. Pine (was GreenPine)talk
Oppose - I agree it needs a stronger caption but also the only article it is used in doesn't really contribute to a great deal being placed at the end of the article. It also has little EV as it doesn't show the San Francisco peaks or say what the view is of. Overall its a decent panorama and the resolution and quality are fine, it just doesn't illustrate the subject well however it may do better as a FP on Commons. Regards, Fallschirmjäger✉18:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry but a high resolution panorama does not automatically qualify for a FP. Technically it's OK (although there seems to be a stitching artefact between the 2 dead trees right of the lift, the green trees in the distance are blurry on the left and sharp on the right), but it doesn't have great EV or wow factor. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added a more informative description. Its probably not the best as i didn't take the picture, but i am very familiar with the area.Dusty777 (talk) 17:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nice, my frequent grumbles about 'flash reflections on frogs' notwithstanding. Actually like the composition (inc. b/g). Article could do with a bit of love. --jjron (talk) 06:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The current FP is much smaller resolution. It has not been used in the article Green sea turtle for quite some time now. It could be kept as FP or delisted but the nominated image is of a better quality and a higher resolution. Broccolo (talk) 19:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Well focused and lit. Mbz1's body of work certainly is impressive. In my mind, it's a pity that the background reef in this image is similar in color to the turtle-- a shot of a turtle in open water provides more contrast. On the other hand, the reef features provide a nice size reference and this shot may, for all I know, show the turtle in the specific kind of environment that it prefers. Spikebrennan (talk) 16:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I'm torn. I know that underwater photographs are very very tricky, but I'm really disturbed by the unnatural lighting (flash?). Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:27, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nice photo; the pose and lighting aren't as good as the existing FP (or other photos of the species by Mbz1) but the head detail is good. --Avenue (talk) 01:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, sorry, I'm not at all sold on this. The shot is a little dark, the branch covering the bird is a little distracting, the road and car in the background are problematic, the focus is slightly off, and to round everything off, the bird is dirt common. I really don't think this is FP material. J Milburn (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Milburn, and I also think this really doesn't belong in Magpie, which had three pictures of the same species when the article covers four different genera. I've replaced it. Chick Bowen02:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Milburn, I thought we agreed that the significance or insignificance of a subject was irrelevant to whether a photo had FPC value. The branch doesn't bother me, and the road and car show the bird in a realistic urban environment. Also, I don't see the focus problem, the details of the bird's feathers are very distinct. Pine (was GreenPine)talk06:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The significance or insignificance of the subject is certainly not a factor- I by no means mean to imply "this is a common bird, therefore I don't care". However, for highly common subjects, the pictures are very replaceable. We will (and, I feel, must) expect something special if we're going to feature pictures of common species (magpies, housecats, daisies) or objects (sinks, lightbulbs), or what have you. The flip side, of course, is that we are willing to overlook defects in particularly rare or irreplaceable photographs. For instance, one of my favourite FPs is this one; while there are a number of flaws with the photograph itself, the species is extinct, and so the picture is completely irreplaceable, and we should be showing it off as much as we can. J Milburn (talk) 09:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is out of focus, underexposed, the background isn't so good and there is quite a bit of foliage in the way. I gather it is pretty common in gardens and so on, and it isn't unlikely that someone will do better sooner or later. JJ Harrison (talk) 11:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the focus problems that you're seeing, maybe I need glasses. I agree the lighting could be better. Between your comments and Milburn's expanded explanation, I'll withdraw support and let this speedy close. Pine (was GreenPine)talk20:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Atomician, aesthetics are not a primary criteria for evaluating featured pictures. "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative. Highly graphic, historical and otherwise unique images may not have to be classically beautiful at all. See these examples for a basic guide." EV and technical qualities are more important. Pinetalk08:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is not any of the above mentioned. It's an image of a bird which could have been taken in a better picture to become aesthetically pleasing. The reason why it isn't has been mentioned above, but I'll go again if you want. There is an awkwardly placed car in the background, there is a not so nice blur and there is a small branch in the way of the bird. The image is also slightly too dark. Atomician (talk) 04:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I find this photo confusing and I disagree that it's a good portrayal of American football. It might work as one image among many portraying the game. For a single image, I think Wikipedia can do better. Pine (was GreenPine)talk07:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry, but I have to agree with GreenPine, the image is confusing. Please don't be discouraged, come back and nominate another image as often as you like. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, the caption is good. I just meant that the picture is a little busy to be a clear depiction of the athletes. Like I said, I really like the picture; it's just not the best image for an encyclopedia. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
SupportComment. I'm a bit unsure of some of the reasons for opposing here. Yes, it might not be clear immediately what is going on, but it doesn't take long to realise that the big guy in green is trying to tackle the little guy in blue, whilst another guy in blue is trying to stop him. (This is my feeble understanding from the other side of the pond, having only watched the superbowl now and again). In terms of a depiction of american football, well of course it's only one part of it, but no single image could convey all of the game, so I don't think that is a problem. What it does convey (to me at least) is the frenetic nature of the game; the physicality, particularly the size difference between defensive and running players; and a particular play (running through the scrimmage). For an action shot it looks very sharp, but I'm not an expert on that sort of thing. Maybe it would benefit from a crop of the player on the right, but then again that shows that he's trying to run through the gaps between players. All in all I think the EV is high and quality is high. Polequant (talk) 11:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Having read the other comments again, I can see the point that the current use of the photo is not all that great. I still think it is a good image, but its quality is in showing a particular play. Maybe if it was on a page on american football strategy, or one where the positions are described it would have more impact and satisfies criteria 5. Polequant (talk) 11:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, it isn't a good portrayal of American football, but it's not being presented as a high EV image for American football. The nominator is saying it's a good picture for a few articles about one particular team, the Philadelphia Eagles so I'm not concerned with that at all.
OK, so in my not-very-knowledgeable-about-photographic-qualities opinion, it's nice and sharp and crisp and has nice colors and everything, but I'm just not feeling it for the articles it appears in. For the lead image of Antonio Dixon it's okay-ish. We can't see his face, but at least it shows him doing what it is he's notable for. As the lead image in Chris Johnson (running back), it's pretty poor. If he's the one with the ball, all we get to see of him is his right side and back as he runs away from the camera. In History of the Philadelphia Eagles it's being used as decoration, as neither Dixon nor the game against Tennessee Titans is mentioned inline. In 2010 Philadelphia Eagles season##Week 7: at Tennessee Titans, neither the tackle or Dixon is mentioned in the section, and the image is placed so far away from the relevant section that it loses all impact. So, it's possible that it's of high technical standard, but I feel it misses the mark on WP:FP? criteria 3b and 5, and that's why I'm opposing. Matthewedwards : Chat 20:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since more people aren't commenting I'll add a few words. I like the colors that appear just behind the bird, and the focus on the bird and the log is great. Quality and EV meet criteria IMO. I like this and I hope more people will vote support. Pine (was GreenPine)talk07:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We don't have a lot of coverage of zoothera, which tend to be reclusive from what I've heard. This should be featured. Chick Bowen13:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per Pine, focus is spot on (apart from the very tip of the tail but excusable) and contrast with the background is nice, meets all requirements 100% Fallschirmjäger✉21:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Yellow-spotted Honeyeater (Meliphaga notata), Daintree Village, Queensland, Australia
Reason
This bird looks nearly the same as Lewin's Honeyeater and the Graceful Honeyeater. They are easily differentiated by the call though, and I'm sure about the ID.
Support I agree with Pine about the out of focus tail, also the left leg is out of focus too. But it's still great: Wikipedia's very lucky to have this photo. TehGrauniad (talk) 15:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In 1832 convict artist William Buelow Gould painted his Sketchbook of fishes while serving time at Macquarie Harbour Penal Station in Van Diemen's Land, the most brutal penal station in the British Empire (the equivalent to a contemporary artist painting such a work while serving at Guantanamo Bay). This sketchbook was recently inscribed on the UNESCO Memory of the World Register. Interestingly, scientists today still use information from this sketchbook about some of the little known species it contains.
Over the last xmas break I was fortunate enough to gain release of some high-res scans from the original sketchbook for Wikipedia from the Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office; this is one of them. These are therefore high quality and high EV images. (Note: due to the historical significance of the images and sketchbook, I don't believe these should be 'restored'; the pages contain some marks and spots, but the images themselves are pretty clean.)
Strong support (and I know "strong" is meaningless!), love it. I'd be happy for this to be promoted as either a picture of the fish or a picture of a work of art, but I think a choice should be made. J Milburn (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: See an Australian news story on this collection. The original can also be found here. I'm a bit confused on the copyright status, the work is listed as public domain since the copyright has expired, yet the Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office reserves the right to ask for permission to use the image, which corresponds with what the nom says regarding permission. If the image may not be re-used without permission from Tasmania then it's not a free image. The caption in the image in the Gould article says "used here with permission of the Allport Library and Museum of Fine Arts", also implying the image is not free. So Tasmania seems to be releasing the image to WP, but not into public domain or GFDL, not that their release means anything since author is more than 70 years deceased. This may be more like a scan of original artwork than a published book; does that affect the copyright status?--RDBury (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no doubt that the original image is public domain, if the artist died in 1853. Many museums like to claim that their reproductions of public domain works are copyrightable. The official position of the Wikimedia Foundation is that such claims are impossible under US law. This probably should be tagged PD-art instead of PD-old, however. See commons:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag for a lengthy discussion of the relevant issues. Chick Bowen21:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW the lady I dealt with said in the email: "Permission is granted to use the five images by Gould from the Sketchbook, on condition the same acknowledgement is made to: Allport Library and Museum of Fine Arts, Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office." (I had got permission off her for some other stuff previously). I tagged the image page out of politeness with the extra stuff requesting permission for reuse be sought from TMHO as their own website does, but she never even requested me to do that, much less raised copyright issues. Realistically I think they just want to be sure they're being acknowledged as holding the original work, which I think is fair enough. --jjron (talk) 14:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My concern was that material in WP doesn't stay in WP; it's mirrored and repackaged in all sorts of ways with the only requirement (from GFDL) that a link to the original article be given somewhere. So the only way the museum will be acknowledged is by following a trail of links. Whether it's fair or not it appears that WP's position is that we don't really need permission and we can't make any promises as to how the image is reused once it's used here. It's a pity in a way because we want museums to be motivated to scan public domain works and put them on the web, but we also like the fact that they're giving up any control over the works when they do. I think it's still a win for the museum though because more people will be seeing the Allport name than if they kept the book locked up in a case.--RDBury (talk) 00:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the assumption that there aren't copyright problems. I think this would be better under fish than paintings, but if it's possible for it to be in both categories, that seems OK with me. Pinetalk04:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Kukenan Tepui at Sunset, from Tëk River Base Camp.
Reason
Principal reason: very poor quality images of the whole Gran Sabana and Canaima National Park. No high-quality images of Kukenan Tepui in the article describing it. Second: this is a difficult place to reach. The trip to the Kukenan takes three days on foot. The tepuy is not reachable by car. Available pictures of Kukenan tepui have very little quality. It is also quite rare to have good lighting conditions and no clouds in front of a tepui, so, a picture like this, is quite uncommon. And finally, there are few high-quality pictures of Gran Sabana National Park, that's why I think this one should be included in featured ones. Kukenan`s height is about 2700 mts. It is located in Venezuela, Gran Sabana National Park, in Bolivar State, near the borderline with Brazil and Guyana.
Might I suggest suspending this nomination for a week? You are meant to wait that long before nominating, so that any article editors with objections have time to do so. JJ Harrison (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I will re-nominate in about ten days. I took the liberty of editing because the pictures used in those pages were really low quality, with disturbing objects in the middle, and bad lighting. Don't think anyone will disagree. But you are right, I'll wait a bit. What should I do in this case? Do I have to completely erase the nomination from the list of candidates? - You are at liberty of erasing the nomination yourself if you want to. Paolo (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If 'we' want to insist on waiting a week (I believe it's just a recommendation anyway, not an actual rule/criterion?), why don't we just put it into Suspended nominations for a week rather than Speedying it and making Paolostefano1412 go through creating another nom? --jjron (talk) 11:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It looks (from the back right leg and stance) that it might be partly lame. By pure coincidence I was in Mikumi national park last weekend and noticed there is indeed a limping elephant which was hanging around quite near the park entrance. - ZephyrisTalk15:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Female impala in Mikumi National Park
Reason
On my latest visit to Mikumi, I found this pretty girl alone. I asked her why she was so lonely.
"The lads at wiki make me sad," she said (I dunno where she picked that British accent.)
I asked her why. "Well they've got 2 FPs of male impalas but none of us females." I promised her I'd fix that and so here I am. We need a female FP and this makes it IMO. Good quality, light and EV. Slightly lower res than what I wanted but that couldn't be helped.
Weak Support quite close to the wire in terms of resolution (just 59 pixels over the requirement on the x axis). Great shot though, Muhammad's photos have added a lot of value to this article. TehGrauniad (talk) 09:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I see what you mean, it's actually 589 pixels over the requirement (taken from the y axis). I still think that at 1.7 mega-pixels it's a much lower resolution than most of the other pictures on this candidates page. Very good photo though. TehGrauniad (talk) 11:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A relationship diagram featuring the branches of the Federal government, as well as the states, as they existed in 1862.Edit 1 - Restored version with most of the dust removed & damage repaired and colour levels slightly adjusted.Not for voting - Restored version without printing errors.
Reason
A very informative, high quality diagram. Used well in three articles, thrown in a fourth.
I'm just kidding - support this is a very informative diagram; would be cool to see a rendition of it representing today's borders and data. Definitely worthy. upstateNYer03:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit 1 Defiantly. I've also uploaded a restored version, see edit 1, that has most of the dust removed and damage/scratches repaired. Fallschirmjäger✉20:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit 1 Per above. Stare at it long enough and it reminds me of the circulatory system, with power flowing in the arteries and allegiance back in the veins. HereToHelp(talk to me)00:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Query Thanks a ton for the restoration. Do you think it would be a good idea to fix the printing errors in the lines to the left and right of the House of Representatives, where it looks like too much ink was applied? I can think of arguments for and against such a change. Sven ManguardWha?01:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I can understand about the lines but when I was cleaning it up, it was fairly obvious to me what was dust etc compared to printing errors, although those lines don't look great I think I agree with JJ on this. But it does look a bit out of place, considering everything else is mostly all-right. Fallschirmjäger✉09:56, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have a question here, if it is possible that the improved version (eventually) can be uploaded as a new version of the first file. It seems to me User:Fallschirmjäger took the file I downloaded, which was a TIFF of 219.4mb, which he retouched some more. This gives me some credits for discovering this diagram (which I believed to be one of the first organizational charts of mankind ever drawn), solves the problem of multiple copies of practically the same images, and gives the file back it's more simple name. -- Mdd (talk) 23:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. I just noticed I didn't link to the exact source at the library of congress, which I just corrected.[reply]
I can upload over the same filename as your upload if you wish, I just didn't want to overwrite the untouched original file as is the normal way of doing things. But then we would have two identical files, to be fair the name of the file isn't really a problem, plus it does link to your original upload. Any thoughts on this anyone? Fallschirmjäger✉15:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I would like you to upload over the first file. I have no problem that you overwrite that file. Also this leaves the history of this image on Wikipedia (which started in 2008) simple. And this avoids problems in the futher that there are multiple copies. You made some good improvements to that file, for which I am very grateful. And I am very grateful for this nomination. -- Mdd (talk) 17:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A restored image shouldn't overwrite an unrestored one. This is because you should link between the two on the image page, which lets the viewer see what modifications have occurred easily. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think the problem is that the has its back turned to the camera. It wouldn't be that bad but you're losing a lot of information about the color pattern and therefore EV. I think it's a good shot otherwise but with birds you generally need a more side on view.--RDBury (talk) 04:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - "The Space Shuttle Discovery and its seven-member STS-120 crew head toward Earth-orbit and a scheduled link-up with the International Space Station."Edit1 - Tilt corrected version.
Reason
Used on many Wikipedia pages, and good composition
Note that there are other FPs of space shuttles, but this image is used far more extensively on Wikipedia than the images that were promoted to FP in 2010. Pinetalk09:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is true that this is widely used, but that's partially because it has a narrower field of view, which makes it thumbnail better. That doesn't necessarily make it a better picture. I think I prefer the ones with a wider field of view; they are more dynamic. Since, despite the quality here, this one doesn't add all that much to what is already featured, I will say weak oppose. Chick Bowen03:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you for your comments. IMO having a better thumbnail is also useful for Wikipedia and therefore contributes to EV, but I respect your views. Pinetalk06:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm perfectly happy having multiple shuttle FPs, provided the composition is significantly different (which it is, from what I understand), and I don't think one composition is inherently better than any other. HereToHelp(talk to me)00:43, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is the best picture for the shuttle itself among the featured ones I think. That said one or two of those should probably be delisted based on limited article placement. JJ Harrison (talk) 08:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Its is one of the most beautiful actions shots I have seen in wikipedia. I am simply stunned at the perfection of capturing a space shuttle in such a chaotic moment and being both pretty as a picture, and informative as an illustration. --Cerejota (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the edit, I think you did better than I could have. In order to support it I think it needs to be in an article, so I'll replace the image in Space Shuttle with the edit. I also support edit 1 and would have nominated it instead if it was in these articles Pinetalk09:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No probs. And no, the edit doesn't need to be in an article; as long as the original is that meets the criteria, and whichever version is promoted is placed into the articles by the closer. --jjron (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support very good. Perhaps the portals should be removed from the "articles this image appears in" and list only those that it provides EV to (South Bronx I suspect is low on the list) Matthewedwards : Chat 19:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
By left do you mean right? Because there's something very strange there which (in case anyone's thinking it) is not a DOF issue. --jjron (talk) 06:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose based on the above. In particular for whatever that 'growth' of pseudo-skin coming out near her right eye is. I can only think it's some really sloppy cloning or healing brush error. --jjron (talk) 06:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what we're meant to be looking at on that other image; it's too small to make out much. But that's more than facial hair. There's that bit that sticks out, but in reality the whole side of the right cheek is damaged from about the level of her mouth up. The bit that really sticks out near her eye may have once been (part of) her ear. I can only think someone was doing some healing work in Photoshop to touch up her skin, perhaps even trying to cover up errant facial hair which does appear that it may have been there, and for some reason botched it without realising. If it was just the original hair it would be better defined as the skin further forward and the hair behind it are both more clearly focussed. --jjron (talk) 13:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think what you're seeing on the upper left is the ear partially obscured by the facial hair, and the facial hair continues down to her chin. For comparison, look at the other side of her face where the ear is clearly visible. You can see very thin hair on that side also. When I zoom in on the image, I don't think that what we're talking about is caused by a bad editing because the hairs go in different directions, the texture is consistent on both sides of her face, and slightly thicker hair consistent with sideburns is visible on both sides near her ears. Also, I doubt that a Supreme Court staffer would have attempted to retouch this image when there's no strong need to do so and it's not something that taxpayers would appreciate paying a government staffer to do. Justice Sotomayor has no PR motive to alter her image, unlike other celebrities and government agencies in some circumstances, such as happened with General Dunwoody's photo http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7738342.stmPinetalk21:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. It certainly looks like a botched edit. And even if it's not, the strangeness means I can hardly call it one of our finest images. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If we're calling Dilma Rousseff's photo a Featured Picture with the strange effects on the subject's nose in addition to similar looking hair on her face, I find it very difficult to understand why the photo that I'm nominating would get opposition. Pinetalk23:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd find it more suspicious if there wasn't a bit a facial hair or some other imperfection. We're not after SI swimsuit issue pictures here.--RDBury (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Extreme high-res shots of middle-aged people will show uneven skin surfaces; I'm not convinced we're seeing anything else here. I'm tempted to upload a macro shot of my own ear just to make the point, but I'll refrain. Chick Bowen23:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support on the condition that 'panoramas' don't become an expectation for wildlife images. BTW, where did it stitch? I'm assuming it was across the shoulder? --jjron (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Nice technical quality, but the caption in the article doesn't tell me very much. Names of landmarks, the direction of the photo, time of day, and time of year would all be helpful in convincing me that this has strong EV. Without more information, it's a good photo but lacking in EV. The description here in the nomination is better but still doesn't convince me of strong EV. Pinetalk06:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Generally well done as usual. I think the EV is there, just the article doesn't have much to say about it yet. There is a double bird in the cloud to the left of the cathedral and possibly a double duck in the river. One of each of those should probably be cloned out, but it doesn't matter much. There is one stitching line that I can see in the water, but it is faint and I doubt it could be avoided. Do you use a panorama jig for this sort of shot, or only for photos with stuff in the foreground? JJ Harrison (talk) 08:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I only use a panoramic head for interior shots usually, almost any outdoor shot without foreground elements can easily be shot handheld. It helps to attempt to pivot on the focal point instead of panning though but only if I'm doing a really wide angle pano ((ie showing tiles on the ground or something) would I bother. Ðiliff«»(Talk)17:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is basically a stronger version of the lead image. It strikes me as odd that the other has pride of place while this one is towards the bottom of the article; I don't think there's any need for them both to be there. J Milburn (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that was why I placed it where I did. Although I often tend to think my photos are superior than the existing ones, I try to slide my photos in with the least friction possible, and let other editors decide to place it elsewhere. :-) Ðiliff«»(Talk)17:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Certainly passes, just needs better placement in the article for optimal EV, atm it's just a little lost sitting at the bottom of the page. Fallschirmjäger✉16:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Two adult long tailed fiscals in Mikumi National Park, Tanzania
Reason
Shows two birds in good details. Since one bird is facing away from the camera, the image provided a near complete view of the birds' plumage compared to only a front or hind view. Very good EV and res.
Conditional support Please fix the capitalization in the caption on the image page. With that done, count this as support. Extra EV points for showing front and back. Pinetalk04:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Resolution is not very high. The airport itself is not very sharp at all, probably due to the resolution rather than focus. I don't think the composition is great - the tower obscures the terminal, and the signboards behind are distracting. The caption doesn't say which bit of the airport it is. All in all, I think it's a pretty long way from meeting the criteria. Polequant (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The resolution meets the critera. Airport looks plenty clear on my monitor. I don't think there's any way to get a clearer shot of the airport from this direction because of the tower placement, and the tower obscures nothing of significance. I spent considerable time on Wikipedia looking for a better photo of an airport and this is clearly the best of the ones that I found, the other images may be larger but they're often blurry and/or show only a small section of the airport like the front facade. This is photo meets EV criteria, it's not blurry, it gives a good wide view of the airport, and IMO meets all 8 FP criteria. Regarding the signboards, this is a photo of a working airport and signboards are placed at working airports, I don't see what the problem would be with those any more I would see how having a photo of Times Square with advertising signboards would be a problem, the signs are what are really there not what someone might wish would be there. FPs are much more about EV than aesthetics, and the FP criteria says specifically, "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative." Pinetalk19:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say the resolution didn't meet the criteria, just that it wasn't very high, and that is an issue when there is so much in the picture - this means you can't make out the details. I think the composition is poor because it doesn't show any one aspect of the airport particularly well. It is a reasonable overview but I don't think good enough to meet fp standards. Polequant (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Good technical size, clear photo, and displays turtles with heads in and out of their shells which adds to EV, but the caption in the article mentions the interaction of the different species. Maybe with a stronger caption I could be convinced of higher EV and give it full support. Pinetalk04:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Extremely charismatic shot, but I am by no means convinced that there is high EV here. What's it showing? Would the article really be all that lacking without it? What does a reader learn from seeing this? I also don't like the way a very large thumbnail is used in the article. J Milburn (talk) 08:40, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is the only image in the article that shows turtles basking in the wild in a close proximity to one another, a very typical behaviour for those reptiles. Also as Pine mentioned above it is the only image in the article that shows turtles with the heads in and out. It also shows that turtle could hide its head under its shell when it feels danger. Broccolo (talk) 14:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is invitable, due to the time of the day each shot has to be made, due to the lighting conditions. The existing FP was taken early in the morning, when the sun is the eastern quadrants; my picture was taken late in the afternoon, when the sun is in the western quadrants. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to crowdedness of the image, which detracts from it (the white shirts are quite obvious). Also, the framing of the fountain isn't exemplary, as part of the bottom is cut away. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw the nomination and wait for the end of the silly season when there will be more people around. This picture deserves a larger forum ;-) -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 17:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. May as well tip this over the edge. I like it, though, having said which, the mention of POTC in the nom nearly caused me to oppose - urghhh. --jjron (talk) 10:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Per muhammad I did a pretty bad job of masking the noise reduction around the beak (which I've fixed now). Getting the tail in focus would require ISO 3200 or so, which'd be very noisy. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think I must've got out of bed the wrong side yesterday. Your fix is very good, you've preserved the detail of the bristles (probably not the birding term) around its beak really well. I bet these birds are quite tricky to capture: they're very small. TehGrauniad (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I find the background colours dull, and the quality (noise/DOF) isn't impressive enough to cancel that out, even for a small bird. Ultimately I guess I just want a closer subject or better light, because I realize it's not a problem with either the equipment or the photographer. --99of9 (talk) 03:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Double-banded Plover (Charadrius bicinctus) breeding plumage, Ralph's Bay, Lauderdale, Tasmania
Reason
This species is interesting because they side migrate between Australia and New Zealand (rather than a more traditional north-south route). Some start switching to breeding plumage here before flying back to New Zealand. This is the best image I managed to get of one in breeding plumage after a number of attempts. I haven't managed a good non-breeding shot this year.
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Original - A panorama of the south face of Mount Rainier with Kautz Ice Cliff visible at center viewed from Westside Road, Washington State Route 706, Mount Rainier National Park
Reason
Seemed like a good featured picture candidate, so i nominated it!
Comment agree with user above, if you do a little work on the caption especially in the article itself, and I think you can get support for this. Pinetalk18:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (both). Image is pretty soft - there's not a lot of clarity on the mountain, which, after all, is the subject; image quality just doesn't seem that high. Also not a fan of the composition - I see little reason to have the road in the foreground, and the trees in front of the mountain are little distracting; it looks like the photographer could have walked about 100m down the road to the right where there's a bit of an outdent, and got to a spot with definitely no road in the photo, and possibly no foreground trees either. The 'alt' has even more road than the original, uncomfortably curving around. --jjron (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Kukenan Tepui at sunset, as seen from Tëk river base camp.
Reason
Principal reason: very poor quality images of the whole Gran Sabana and Canaima National Park. No high-quality images of Kukenan Tepui in the article describing it. Second: this is a difficult place to reach. The trip to the Kukenan takes three days on foot. The tepuy is not reachable by car. Available pictures of Kukenan tepui have very little quality. It is also quite rare to have good lighting conditions and no clouds in front of a tepui, so, a picture like this, is quite uncommon. And finally, there are few high-quality pictures of Gran Sabana National Park, that's why I think this one should be included in featured ones.
Support I have the same feelings about the mist, but I'm happy to support, particularly given that we have hardly anything from south america. JJ Harrison (talk) 05:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - The River Thames flood barrier from Silvertown on the north bank of the river, upstream, west of the barrier. The entire structure can be seen along with all 9 piers during normal operation looking across to New Charlton.
Reason
High EV, good lighting & resolution composed from 11 shots, only image in the article to illustrate the entire structure under normal conditions.
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Original - Ring-necked Dove Streptopelia capicola, Mikumi National park, Tanzania
Reason
Good EV. Particularly difficult to properly expose a white bird with a whitish sky behind it. Given the conditions it was taken in, quality of the image is quite good.
Oppose Not that sharp and the background is distracting. Those thorns look nasty! I usually try and get another tree or something behind the subject in such a lighting situation. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agree with JJ, it's a decent image but despite the difficult conditions it was taken in it isn't quite good enough to join the 'best' pictures on Wikipedia. Fallschirmjäger✉14:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Kori agung, an ornamented gateway leading to the inner courtyard of a Balinese temple
Reason
This is a actually a shot in the dark because I've never attempted to shoot FP quality photographs before. The image itself has not been altered in any way. As to its encyclopedic value, this is the best available image of a kori agung, a gateway leading to the innermost courtyard of Balinese temples, that is designed in the paduraksa style (containing a roof).
I'd just leave it. The article hasn't been edited in six months, and it's not like this image shunted another image out of the article or anything. Don't think it's going to make any difference TBH. --jjron (talk) 14:59, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Current FP on Commons: great action shot, very dynamic, very high quality, very eye-catching. Used in multiple articles, main photo in Nasser Al-Attiyah.
Support (weak). It's a good action shot, quite nice quality, etc. It's useful for the driver's article (even though it doesn't show him, the car is integral to his sport, though a photo of him would be nice as a lead image), and it's also good for the Ford Fiesta S2000 article about the rally car. My only quibble is that the car is on the wrong side of the image - it should be driving into the space, rather than having the space behind the car (perhaps a slight crop could even help). (Closer can ignore the 'weak' if this ends up borderline). --jjron (talk) 10:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Meets all FP criteria. Also, this Indian census was the second largest census till date, and since this is the only picture in the article mentioned below, it adds enormous encyclopedic value to it.
A sticker pasted at a house to mark it "counted" in the 2011 census of India. More than 500 million similar stickers were printed and pasted at houses to mark them as "counted".
It's an odd but interesting concept. I don't think we have any FPs of censuses at all (redistricting, yes). But why take this with flash? This is on the outside of the door, right? So it seems like you could do the same thing with natural lighting, and perhaps not have such an incredibly shallow depth-of-field. Also, the angle of the composition is a little too casual for me; if it were taken straight-on in relation to the door, then the jaunty angle of the sticker itself would actually be more apparent. Oppose as-is. Chick Bowen01:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There was no natural lighting possible for this shot (atleast in my area) because all the doors are bounded by two walls. Trust me, I took this picture at 18:34 (IST) in the summer (in Delhi), meaning there was more than enough sunlight in the area (sun doesn't set till 19:45 in summers here!). Also, the actual sticker is the size of 6.25cm2, therefore the flash was compulsory (two walls bounding, no sunlight on door, ssuch a small sticker). Regarding the angle, there was only one inches space between the sticker and the wall so my DSLR could not fit. Anyway, I tried to fix the picture, anyone who can improve on it, you are more than welcome Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 06:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just ask a neighbour for permission to take a picture of their sticker (assuming they are still up)?
You can seee that even this sticker has come out (a bit) from the top. Also, comparing the two pics, I believe that the retouched one stands a chance, not the Original. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:52, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Agree that the retouched image is better, but it seems to be too bright, especially with the background as is; a version without a background (e.g. .png) may be okay, but I'm not sure. -- Crisco 1492 (Talk) 10:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose – I agree that picture is encyclopedic in many senses, but I also think that this kind of brightness is not suitable. I suggest you to approach Graphic Lab, maybe they can help you, if it goes well then I'll shift to support, regards. — Bill william comptonTalk12:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry to be a bore, but there is no freedom of panorama in India for works of this sort, meaning that, unless the design of this sticker is in the public domain for whatever reason, the retouched pictures 2, 3 and 4 are non-free derivative works, and the first two almost certainly are too. J Milburn (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I fear you are correct. In other words, yet more time and effort completely wasted helping out Wikipedia. I cannot imagine that any official from the country of India would ever take issue with using an image of the sticker in an article... it would take a Wikipedian to do that. JBarta (talk) 13:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt anyone would object to it being used on Wikipedia, but if someone was selling high resolution posters of the image (as would be their right if the license as currently written is correct) then it's conceivable that someone would get annoyed. The Wikimedia Foundation has made a commitment to free content, and this is by no means something we should be glossing over at FPC. J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given that India does, in fact, have some of the most liberal FOP laws in the world, I have trouble imagining the government making such a claim. Chick Bowen18:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sculptures and architecture are covered, "paintings, drawings, [and] photographs" are not. I think it's pretty clear which category a printed sticker falls under. Added to the fact this is clearly not permanent, and it's pretty clear that we cannot release photos of these stickers under whatever license we please, whether or not we think the Indian government is going to start prosecuting. A free work is not one that we're not going to get sued for using, it's one we (and others) are explicitly allowed to use and modify, even commercially, without having to pay. This is non-negotiable. J Milburn (talk) 16:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The design on the sticker is an artistic work, it's just not one of the artistic works covered by Indian FOP laws. 10:20, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
According to this, works created by the government of India are copyrighted for 60 years. I suppose a picture of a door in an article about doors that happened to have the sticker on it would probably be OK. A picture of the sticker in an article about the sticker (more or less) would be a gross violation of India's copyright law, not to mention Wikimedia's core principles. This all reminds me of a quote from an old book about an immigrant to the US... "Rules are for when the brains gives out." JBarta (talk) 02:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was assuming that the design was copyrighted; the whole point of FOP is that you are able to take pictures of copyrighted artworks. Without a FOP, we would only be able to use the image if the design was public domain, as I said in my original comment. J Milburn (talk) 21:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If FOP applied, it would apply to a photo of the sticker. For comparison, there is freedom of panorama for statues in the UK, so I can go and take pictures of newly erected statues in town centers all I want, whether the subject is the statue itself or its inclusion is incidental. I think you're thinking of another issue, de minimis, whereby copyrighted elements can be included incidentially in photographs even if there is no freedom of panorama. For instance, if a picture is taken of a person, but there happens to be a copyrighted painting in the background, the picture could still be released under a free license. If we then cropped it down to show just the background painting, however, the image would have to be treated as non-free. J Milburn (talk) 10:35, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, looks like it's already being addressed above. I was going to nominate this for deletion when I saw a link to this discussion, so commented without reading! —SpacemanSpiff17:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - A typical Battenberg cake, demonstrating the usual chequered pink-and-yellow squares.
Reason
Only just meets the minimum resolution requirement, but in my view it does not lose out the same way as other subjects because of this and has a strong composition. A very good example of a typical Battenberg cake.
Comment Can you clone out the image of the woman in the blue shirt who looks like she's dancing on a table, next to the fountain on the right side of the image? She's an annoying distraction in this image IMO. Otherwise, I think I could support this photo. Pinetalk07:24, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)There's another woman on the left and they seem to be pointing at each other. There's a third woman in black doing the same thing ay the right edge of the pyramid. I've never been so maybe it's customary to stand in front with one arm outstretched. Not convinced it's worth the effort to clone them out, not the kind of thing you notice unless it's pointed out. If you start playing Where's Waldo with crowd pictures like this then I'm sure you're going to lots of things that seem odd. It's unusual to have identical twins in there, should we clone them out as well?--RDBury (talk) 09:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The one on the right annoys me more, maybe because the color of her shirt stands out more against the background. Ideally there would be a shot of the subject, which is the courtyard, with no people on it, but that may be unrealistic for a daytime shot. So I'll agree to support this with the qualification that I may vote to D/R later if a shot with fewer distractions is posted. Pinetalk22:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a pretty clear case of the "unavoidable presence" cited in French case law, since it would be impossible to take a wide shot of this part of the building without including the pyramids. The legal criterion is intent, and since the picture is title "Louvre courtyard," it seems like the Renaissance/2nd empire structure was intended to be pictured, and the pyramids included incidentally. Chick Bowen23:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry Joaquim but that's another oppose from me. Again the lighting is dull (I think you can't do much about that, but using HDR tricks à la Noodle Snack to make the most of it), and there's a lot of tourists in the frame. The pyramid here is very prominent and we can't really say the main subject is the Napoleon courtyard, which can be seen only very partially here. We can use bad faith to some extent like in my shot, but we would go beyond in this case :) Framing is a bit tight at the bottom, and centering is a bit off (like the FP you refer to, I admit...) - Blieusong (talk) 11:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original - Devil's Golf Course is a large dry lake on the floor of Death Valley National Park. The salt in the Devil's Golf Course consists of the minerals that were dissolved in the lake's water and left behind in the Badwater Basin as the lake evaporated.The colors of background hills are caused by the oxidation of different metals.
Question are the white rocks in the foreground a part of Devil's Golf Course? Is the flat ground in the background a part of the Devil's Golf Course? I can't tell exactly what the photo shows. Pinetalk22:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this is upside down (I realise a gavel would technically probably have no up or down, but seems more logical to me to put the big whacking gavelling thing at the top in a photo). --jjron (talk) 10:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Someone reading the paper would likely sit where the bottom of the picture is, which would mean they would place the gavel with its head up. That might not be as good a picture though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]