Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies

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Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons

This RfC proposes improving the wording of the existing WP:BLPCRIME policy. It does not change the policy's intent or principles. The goal is to make the guidance clearer and easier to apply, based on how editors already interpret and implement it in practice. Below is the current wording followed by the proposed revision.

Current version

A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material^[a]—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime.

If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other,^[b] include sufficient explanatory information.

Proposed version

A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests, and charges do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material^[a]—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of committing a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other,^[c] sufficient explanatory information should be included.

When deciding whether to name a living or recently deceased person in connection with a crime, editors should assess the stage of proceedings as a spectrum: person of interest < arrested < charged < on trial < convicted. The earlier the stage, the higher the threshold for inclusion. Names should rarely be included for persons of interest. For convicted individuals, names are generally appropriate unless exceptional circumstances apply. For intermediate stages, editors must carefully weigh factors such as the extent and quality of reliable sourcing, whether the subject is a minor, and the person’s public status.

Please comment below. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Cody Wilson

Should Wilson's registration as a sex offender be mentioned in the context of his sexual assault case? Gcollins94 (talk) 07:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Nicole Perlman

Should this article contain information about James Gunn? The assertion that James "rewrote the whole script" is just that, an assertion by a party in dispute, common in credit disputes and already heavily covered in the Guardians of the Galaxy article.

The WGA arbitration exists to make a formal determination of whether James "rewrote the whole script." If he had, he would have been awarded sole credit. He wasn't, so that claim was invalidated. This is weird Twitter fanboy beef brought to Wikipedia. This a longstanding dispute that has resulted in a number of edit wars elsewhere and might require limited protections for this article.

Stevedorex (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Pope Leo XIV/RFC: Date format

Hi there, I've created this RfC as the equivalent discussion(s) on the talk page have gotten completely-out-of-hand. I'm pretty neutral on the matter but leaning towards DMY as his role as pope transcends beyond the MDY format of America to the DMY format of the Church, Vatican, and arguably the world. However, I will add a summary below of some of the main arguments that were popping up on the talk page. Thanks, JacobTheRox (talk) 21:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Anthony Fauci

Shall we summarize the pardon in the WP:LEAD?

See diff and text:

On January 20, 2025, President Biden granted Fauci a Federal pardon.^[1]^[2]

Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Jared Taylor

How should Jared Taylor's views on Trump's racial beliefs be reflected in the article:

Option 1: "Taylor has said that he doesn't believe Trump is an white supremacist or a "secret race realist." Saying that he thinks Trump has "healthy reactions" to legal and illegal immigration and that Trump's racial views make him a better alternative than his political opponents."^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]
Option 2: Propose what you think would be appropriate.
Option 3: No addition.

Please indicate which option you support.Rja13ww33 (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Should this article include information about Zsa Zsa Gabor's possible relationship with Mustafa Kemal Ataturk?

Do not include any information.
Include as a claim attributed to Zsa Zsa Gabor.
Include in Wikivoice that the relationship occurred.

This statement was added after the RfC began to satisfy WP:RFCNEUTRAL and WP:RFCBRIEF. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 19:58, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Northernlion

Should the article use a sketch of Northernlion or no image until a copyright-free alternative is found? — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum ♠ 13:33, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Georgie Aldous

Should the following sub-section be added as Gender stereotyping?

In 2016 British clothing brand Jacamo, owned by N Brown Group, was accused of gender stereotyping after posting an advert on Twitter showing a model next to a "real man". Aldous criticised the advert publicly and stated he thought the advert was "homophobic".^[7] His criticism was widely reported.^[8]^[9]^[10]^[11]^[12] He explained his position: "I feel like I am constantly trying to be shoved into a category that I do not want to be in, I feel like I should have to like football, not like the colour pink, shouldn’t dye my hair and should have a girlfriend because I'm a man."^[13]

Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference namerfc was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.
^ For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

^ Baker, Peter (2025-01-20). "Biden in Final Hours Pardons Cheney, Fauci and Milley to Thwart Reprisals". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2025-01-20.
^ Liptak, Kevin; Saenz, Arlette (2025-01-20). "Biden issues preemptive pardons for Milley, Fauci and Jan. 6 committee members | CNN Politics". CNN. Retrieved 2025-01-20.
^ Beauchamp, Zack (21 November 2016). "A leading white nationalist says it plainly: Trump's victory was about white identity". Vox.
^ Ross, Janell (November 12, 2016). "Trump win spawns fear and loathing among people he disparaged and alienated". The Washington Post. Retrieved April 28, 2025.
^ "Video: Jared Taylor: Whites Deserve a Homeland". March 21, 2017. see at about 26:18
^ Ganim, Sara; Welch, Chris (January 16, 2017). "Hail Trump? White nationalists already losing faith in President-elect". CNN. Retrieved April 28, 2025.
^ "Jacamo's Push For Diversity In Fashion Backfired Spectacularly". HuffPost UK. 2016-11-01. Retrieved 2024-12-22.
^ https://her.ie/life/mens-clothing-brand-causes-outrage-with-homophobic-campaign-317913
^ https://www.joe.co.uk/life/clothing-brand-causes-outrage-with-homophobic-ad-campaign-95181
^ "Jacamo clothing firm apologises after 'gender stereotyping' in Twitter advert". BBC News. 2016-10-31. Retrieved 2024-12-20.
^ Lee, Josh (2016-10-31). "Clothing brand Jacamo issue an apology after being called out for "homophobic" online campaign". Attitude. Retrieved 2024-12-22.
^ Baret, Julie (2016-10-31). "Les "vrais mecs" et l'homophobie d'une marque anglaise". TÊTU (in French). Retrieved 2024-12-22.
^ "Clothing retailer blasted for "Homophobic" Twitter campaign". THEGAYUK. 2016-10-31. Retrieved 2024-12-20.

[namerfc-1] Cite error: The named reference namerfc was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[2] For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

[3] For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

[4] Baker, Peter (2025-01-20). "Biden in Final Hours Pardons Cheney, Fauci and Milley to Thwart Reprisals". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2025-01-20.

[5] Liptak, Kevin; Saenz, Arlette (2025-01-20). "Biden issues preemptive pardons for Milley, Fauci and Jan. 6 committee members | CNN Politics". CNN. Retrieved 2025-01-20.

[6] Beauchamp, Zack (21 November 2016). "A leading white nationalist says it plainly: Trump's victory was about white identity". Vox.

[7] Ross, Janell (November 12, 2016). "Trump win spawns fear and loathing among people he disparaged and alienated". The Washington Post. Retrieved April 28, 2025.

[8] "Video: Jared Taylor: Whites Deserve a Homeland". March 21, 2017. see at about 26:18

[9] Ganim, Sara; Welch, Chris (January 16, 2017). "Hail Trump? White nationalists already losing faith in President-elect". CNN. Retrieved April 28, 2025.

[10] "Jacamo's Push For Diversity In Fashion Backfired Spectacularly". HuffPost UK. 2016-11-01. Retrieved 2024-12-22.

[11] ttps://her.ie/life/mens-clothing-brand-causes-outrage-with-homophobic-campaign-317913

[12] ttps://www.joe.co.uk/life/clothing-brand-causes-outrage-with-homophobic-ad-campaign-95181

[13] "Jacamo clothing firm apologises after 'gender stereotyping' in Twitter advert". BBC News. 2016-10-31. Retrieved 2024-12-20.

[14] Lee, Josh (2016-10-31). "Clothing brand Jacamo issue an apology after being called out for "homophobic" online campaign". Attitude. Retrieved 2024-12-22.

[15] Baret, Julie (2016-10-31). "Les "vrais mecs" et l'homophobie d'une marque anglaise". TÊTU (in French). Retrieved 2024-12-22.

[16] "Clothing retailer blasted for "Homophobic" Twitter campaign". THEGAYUK. 2016-10-31. Retrieved 2024-12-20.

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