WikiProject Albania is a wikiproject dedicated to creating, improving, and expanding articles related to Albania and Albanians. If you feel that you want to participate in the wikiproject, feel free to add your name to the list of participants. The parent of this wikiproject is WikiProject Countries.
Delete Lacks sufficient RSes and the point that the nominator made about him only playing 60 minutes in Albania's highest league was very persuasive. Maybe this is a case of WP:TOOSOONGjb0zWxOb (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that these pages seem to be generic listings that simply state relations exist and there is no individual notability to each. Would be better kept under an list page of "Albania diplomatic relations" or similar. Will also note these would be a good candidate for WP:MULTIAFD given their similarity/desire to avoid causing a backlog on AfD. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anonrfjwhuikdzz You that agree to delete this article, why don't you improve the article yourself so the article could be kept and inform the English Wiki visitors regarding the relations of these 2 countries? Instead of moving this page to Foreign relations of Albania, I think is better to have a separate article. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar The source you mentioned doesn't completely refers to the corresponding part of the article, but explain the overseas missions of NATO, and the role of the United States with other NATO members on mutual military missions. I mentioned there Albania as part of NATO makes military trainings in overseas territories, which Marshall Islands, an ally of the United States, is located. These relations for these countries are not very huge, but moving in the future will be new developments, so the articles for these relations of Albania with Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands and Tonga will be expanded as new projects will be go through between these countries. See for example, the articles of Australia with these countries which are very tiny, also the relations of Albania with these countries are at a certain point at the moment. So moving towards the future, they will be expanded. I say the articles to be kept. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 18:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar I am saying not for other stuff that exists, but I have mentioned some relations of Albania with these countries. So these articles should be kept, and moving towards the future, new relations will go through and these articles will be expanded. I have mentioned when they have established relations, their political relations and their economical relations. I would be so happy if these articles will be kept so they can be expanded in the future. A "stub" template (optionally) can be added to the articles to mention: "You can help Wikipedia expanding these articles". There are too many short articles on Wikipedia that are separate articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 07:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Albania. There are references but this and the other articles are currently too short to stand on their own. Can always recreate them later when more information comes to light. Andykatib20:09, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Why to delete the articles instead of keeping them? You may keep them and later, when more information can be added regarding new relations between these countries, it is reflected on the article. There are also short articles on English Wiki. Please keep these articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 02:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't suggest a "merge" and claim "there are references" when the references are this terrible.
"Croatia and Marshall Islands establish diplomatic relations"[1] mentions Albania in a different context, not in relation with the Marshall Islands (the title of the source is also wrong in our article)
"Albania ambassador nominee Yuri Kim testifies before Senate committee"[2] has a short story about the American ambassador to Albania, and about the American ambassadior to the Marshall Islands. It has nothing about connections between Albania and the Marshall Islands. Fram (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram:, yep. I had a look at those sources and they don't talk about the topics that GeniVekaGV was using to support his statements. That was why I just used the economic sources but I am not if those sources are not suitable for citing. Feel free to revert my edits to the Oceania section of Foreign relations of Albania. Andykatib (talk) 12:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that final source with the imports and exports is really reliable, but in any case these small amounts of trade are trivial information for a general article about foreign relations of a country. Fram (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV The Finance Uncovered article you cited doesn't actually talk about Albania's relations with the Marshall Islands. It doesn't support the sentence that it is connected to. The economic relations section has similar problems. You need to actually quote what the source saying. Not bend it to what you want to say. Andykatib (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib The source mention both countries that the delegations of both countries have met together as part of the Marshall Islands-United States bilateral agenda. Albanian delegates were invited on this meeting and discussed with Marshall Islands delegates for cooperation. This source is more than ever correct for the relations of these countries. I can't find another source for them. It should be accepted. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I reread the article twice and it is an investigative journalism report about a Trump campaign aide Nick Muzin's international lobbying activities in Albania on behalf of a conservative politician there and having shell companies in the Marshall Islands. The article says nothing about bilateral relations between Albania and the Marshall Islands. You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. Andykatib (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV, sorry it is not up to us to remove the deletion template. It has to go through the process and an admin will make a decision. Hope you understand. Andykatib (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you believe this article has anything at all to do with the relations between Albania and the Marshall Islands? Andykatib already removed the worst other sources you added[3], but really, the question is not whether this article should be kept (no), but whether you should be allowed to continue editing. Fram (talk) 07:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib @LibStar @Fram Now the articles were improved. They show enough information for the relations of Albania with these Pacific countries, which are tiny relations. Maybe in the future, they will be expanded so the articles will be expanded too. I am to keep them. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 07:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV, please listen to what we have to say and calm down. Editing on Wikipedia means you need to learn how to abide by the community's rules and listen to advice. We don't want to ban you but you are threading on thin ice by persisting and refusing to listen to feedback and advice. Andykatib (talk) 08:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV, I am busy with other commitments. As @Fram has advised, there is insufficient material for these four Albania-Pacific relations articles. The trade relations sources that you cited and I formatted show the economic relations between Albania and these countries to be marginal. I have incorporated two of the more useful sources into Foreign relations of Albania but I think you should cut your losses and move on. It's no point dying on the wrong hill. Learn from this experience. Andykatib (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that these pages seem to be generic listings that simply state relations exist and there is no individual notability to each. Would be better kept under an list page of "Albania diplomatic relations" or similar. Will also note these would be a good candidate for WP:MULTIAFD given their similarity/desire to avoid causing a backlog on AfD. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anonrfjwhuikdzz You that agree to delete this article, why don't you improve the article yourself so the article could be kept and inform the English Wiki visitors regarding the relations of these 2 countries? Instead of moving this page to Foreign relations of Albania, I think is better to have a separate article. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why? The reason would be that these relations barely exist. They barely amount to anything, and are not important for either country. Geschichte (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Geschichte This simple content I provided to these relations is enough to inform the Wikipedia visitors about the relations between these countries. Each country has a relation with another country, no matter how small or huge is that relation with that country. There are missing articles on Wikipedia about the relations of some countries with each other, but I decided to write these relations
of these countries, since they are both part of many international organizations (which I have mentioned at these articles), Albania as part of NATO makes sometimes military trainings in overseas missions (which I have mentioned at these articles) and both countries, which are bordered by sea, make trades with each other and these trades include fishery, aquatic machinery, mobile equipment and other trades (which I have mentioned at these articles). So these articles for the relations of Albania with Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands and Tonga should be kept on Wikipedia and advancing in the future, new material will be added, as will be other new developments towards these relations. I say to keep them as in the future, more new different relations will be projected between Albania with these countries. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 18:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Albania. There are references but this and the other articles are currently too short to stand on their own. Can always recreate them later when more information comes to light. Andykatib20:10, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Why to delete the articles instead of keeping them? You may keep them and later, when more information can be added regarding new relations between these countries, it is reflected on the article. There are also short articles on English Wiki. Please keep these articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 02:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV:, please don't take this personally. Contributing to Wikipedia means learning how to work in collaboration with others. Sometimes, this would mean compromises and changing our plans. It is not always our way in the highway. I recommend reading Wikipedia:Notability to understand the criteria for creating articles. We can copy the content to the Albania foreign relations page. If more information from reputable sources comes, then we can always recreate the pages. Andykatib (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Ok. If you think that these articles aren't enough notable to be as separate articles, you may move them to Foreign relations of Albania. If in the future they will be new updates, or will not be, I would like to be again separate articles for them. But please be informed that the articles for the relations of Australia with these countries are very short too. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 03:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV:, good we are on the same page. Some Wikipedia articles start of as sections of larger articles that get spun off into their own articles. Regarding Australia's relations with the Pacific, Australia is a major aid and trade partner with those Island states. Hence it would make sense to have individual articles on Australia's relations with different Pacific countries. Albania is a different kettle of fish when it comes to relations with the Pacific. Andykatib (talk) 03:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib I understand, but I have mentioned on these articles that Albania also has established diplomatic relations with them. On the page for Solomon Islands, there's a website of Solomon Islands which mentions as they have established diplomatic relations since 19 May 2011. For Marshall Islands, Albanian citizens have good relations with them as the holders of diplomatic passports can travel without visas to Marshall Islands. I have mentioned on all articles that Albania, as part of NATO, does mutual military training with other NATO members at some overseas missions, where these island states are located. I have mentioned that these countries are members of some International Organizations which they cooperate together. I have mentioned that both countries exports goods and services to each other, especially for fishery and aquatic world (machinery, tools) as per references added. I think this content is good enough to inform the Wikipedia users for the relations of Albania with these countries. There are also some relations of these countries (Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands and Tonga) with some smaller countries than Australia with lower potential than Australia which are separate articles on Wikipedia for them and they are short articles too, just to inform the English Wikipedia users for the relations of these countries. There are many short articles on Wikipedia. See for example an article for Onion Chip (a snack made from Onion): https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=twitter&lang=en&q=Onion_chip which is a very short article. I want these articles to be kept so they can be expanded in the future. If you want keep them, if you don't consider to keep them, move them to the Foreign relations of Albania Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 03:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Also for Kiribati I have mentioned that Albanian delegates and Kiribati delegates meet sometimes at EU-Western Balkan meetings, where participate the EU members, Albania, as part of Western Balkans and Kiribati as invited party. On the articles for Kiribati and Tonga I have mentioned their established diplomatic relations, as per Bilateral Navigator website which I added as a source, and which on that site are mentioned the leaders of Albania and the cooperation with these countries. There's also a section on the Foreign relations of Albania: https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=twitter&lang=en&q=Foreign_relations_of_Albania that these countries are mentioned when the diplomatic relations were established, so I think these articles for the diplomatic relations should be separate articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @GeniVekaGV:, I have added selected content from those four entries into Foreign relations of Albania#Oceania. Hope this satisfied the Wikipedia community. Trade between Albania and the Pacific seems to be really miniscule. Some might even question whether those entries are necessary but at least it is better than nothing.
@Andykatib Can you also add the political relations on that page. Or another specific page for the Foreign relations of Albania with these countries. Or if you can, keep also the articles but add the "stub" section on them so the articles will be kept and may be expanded in the future. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 04:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @GeniVekaGV:, it is not up to me whether the articles are kept or deleted. They are subject to a voting process which lasts a week. I don't see how adding a stub will change anything. Regarding the Arabic Wikipedia have articles on Albania's relations with the Marshall Islands and Kiribati, each of these Wikis are autonomous and self-governing. Some have stricter rules than others. You could add them to the articles if you want. I will have to have dinner and go to work soon. Cheers. Andykatib (talk) 04:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those Arabic Wikipedia articles don't actually talk about the diplomatic relations between Albania and Kiribati and the Marshall Islands. They just consist of comparison charts. These are helpful supplements for bilateral relations articles but are not the main meat. If those articles were subject to English Wikipedia's criteria, they wouldn't meet our standards. Apologies. Andykatib (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the articles will be deleted, the political and economical relations will be on that page. If the articles will not be deleted, both separated articles and the Foreign relations of Albania#Oceania section will provide the details for the relations of Albania with these countries. Especially the separated articles which provide the references on them. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 04:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Hi Andykatib! Please can you add the political relations of Albania with these Pacific countries to Foreign relations of Albania, like you added the economic relations. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 06:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright will see what I can do. Please try to learn from others and not to impose yourself on other people. It's not acceptable behaviour hear to tell other people to write articles for you. Thanks. Andykatib (talk) 07:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib The source explains that they are both members of an organization and they cooperate together. It is very fine source related to the relations of these countries. I didn't found another source related to the relations of these countries, so it should be accepted as part of the article for the relations of these countries. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no meaningful relations, the relations is almost exclusively in a multilateral context. No significant trade, state visits or embassies. The WP:BLUDGEON on this page needs to stop. LibStar (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that these pages seem to be generic listings that simply state relations exist and there is no individual notability to each. Would be better kept under an list page of "Albania diplomatic relations" or similar. Will also note these would be a good candidate for WP:MULTIAFD given their similarity/desire to avoid causing a backlog on AfD.
@Anonrfjwhuikdzz You that agree to delete this article, why don't you improve the article yourself so the article could be kept and inform the English Wiki visitors regarding the relations of these 2 countries? Instead of moving this page to Foreign relations of Albania, I think is better to have a separate article. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Albania. There are references but this and the other articles are currently too short to stand on their own. Can always recreate them later when more information comes to light. Andykatib20:12, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Why to delete the articles instead of keeping them? You may keep them and later, when more information can be added regarding new relations between these countries, it is reflected on the article. There are also short articles on English Wiki. Please keep these articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 02:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't suggest "merge" and claim "there are references" when they are this terrible.
"Bilateral relations"[4] is a bot-generated commercial webscraper which doesn't even support the one thing it supposedly references
Which leaves us with this, which informs is that in 2009, Albania exported a value of $88 in pasta to Tonga. Not 88 million, not 88 thousand, $88. Fram (talk) 07:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GeniVekaGV:, that source you cited would be acceptable since it mentions both Albania and Tonga, and supports what you are saying. However, the references need to be formatted properly. Andykatib (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The articles haven't been improved though. Albania and Tonga both being at the same event[6] gives them both some (minor) relation to Latvia, not to each other. Fram (talk) 07:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree @Fram. I tidied up the references in those four articles but most of them don't really talk about Albania and those countries. Have incorporated a couple of references into Foreign relations of Albania but it seems that GeniVeka is unable to see thing from our perspective. Hopefully we can reach an understanding with him or her. Andykatib (talk) 09:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no meaningful relations, the relations is almost exclusively in a multilateral context. No significant trade ($88 is a joke), state visits or embassies. LibStar (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that these pages seem to be generic listings that simply state relations exist and there is no individual notability to each. Would be better kept under an list page of "Albania diplomatic relations" or similar. Will also note these would be a good candidate for WP:MULTIAFD given their similarity/desire to avoid causing clutter on AfD.Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 11:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anonrfjwhuikdzz You that agree to delete this article, why don't you improve the article yourself so the article could be kept and inform the English Wiki visitors regarding the relations of these 2 countries? Instead of moving this page to Foreign relations of Albania, I think is better to have a separate article. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Foreign relations of Albania. There are references but this and the other articles are currently too short to stand on their own. Can always recreate them later when more information comes to light. Andykatib20:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andykatib Why to delete the articles instead of keeping them? You may keep them and later, when more information can be added regarding new relations between these countries, it is reflected on the article. There are also short articles on English Wiki. Please keep these articles. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 02:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't suggest "merge" and claim "there are references" when they are this terrible.
"Bilateral Relations"[7] is a commercial webscraper of no value, and doesn't support the claim it should reference
"Kiribati-European Union High Level Political Dialogue"[8] doesn't even mention Albania (which isn't an EU member)
@Andykatib They describe the political relations between them and the organizations where they belong. The content and the references are well mentioned so the article is fine. I didn't found another sources regarding these relations. The content and the references should be kept. Thanks GeniVekaGV (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both having signed the same treaty[10] or being a member of the same organisation[11][12] is not a "relation" between the two countries. Such references make your case only weaker. Fram (talk) 07:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree with @Fram. There is not a very strong case for this and the other Albania-Pacific relations articles. We can't remove the deletion tag until the process is complete. Andykatib (talk) 08:05, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no meaningful relations, the relations is almost exclusively in a multilateral context. No significant trade, state visits or embassies. The WP:BLUDGEON on this page needs to stop. LibStar (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: As a recent creation with no independent or reliable sources, it should not have hit mainspace in the first place. MarioGom (talk) 09:35, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Draftify, redirect or simply delete. The sources posted for this article are mostly primary and two sources are unreliable. I am unable to find any acceptable sources when doing a WP:BEFORE search. The company has been in existence since 1991, so there might sources available in European languages other than English. And I am not sure what the target should be for a redirect. I'm in agreement with any appropriate target. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
{{WPSQ|class=B <!-- 1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited. --> |B-Class-1=yes <!-- 2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies. --> |B-Class-2=yes <!-- 3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. --> |B-Class-3=yes <!-- 4. It is free from major grammatical errors. --> |B-Class-4=yes <!-- 5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. --> |B-Class-5=yes <!-- 6. It is written from a neutral point of view. --> |B-Class-6=yes
|importance=Mid}}
This list was generated from these rules. Questions and feedback are always welcome! The search is being run daily with the most recent ~14 days of results. Note: Some articles may not be relevant to this project.
To join WikiProject Albania, edit this section and insert the Wikitext#{{subst:me}} with your areas of interest into the following list of participants in alphabetical order. Participants should also place participant identification on their user page.
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. Updates on reimplementing the Graph extension, which will be known as the Chart extension, can be found on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org.
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. Updates on reimplementing the Graph extension, which will be known as the Chart extension, can be found on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org.
4.5% List-Class
49.8% Stub-Class
31.9% Start-Class
9% C-Class
2.7% B-Class
1.7% GA-Class
0.1% FA-Class
0.1% remaining
Quality operations: A bot-generated daily log which lists articles Reassessed, Assessed and Removed.
Popular pages: List of top articles with the most frequent views, updated monthly.
This is a list of recognized content, updated weekly by JL-Bot (talk·contribs) (typically on Saturdays). There is no need to edit the list yourself. If an article is missing from the list, make sure it is tagged (e.g. {{WikiProject Albania}}) or categorized correctly and wait for the next update. See WP:RECOG for configuration options.
... that Gramoz Palushi was murdered while he was celebrating the football victory of Albania over Greece? (appeared on 5 January 2011)
... that in the 1984 film Who Dies on His Feet, Albanian actor Llazi Sërbo rode a descendant of Naklon, a horse that Stalin had donated to Albania? (appeared on 9 November 2010)
[13] A collection of works dealing with Albanian history and culture.
Antonia Young; John Hodgson; William B. Bland; Nigel Young (November 1997). Albania. Clio Press. ISBN9781851092604. Retrieved 27 April 2011.
Archaeology
New publications regarding Archaeology in Albania after 2000. [14] Ancient West & East, Volume 4, Issue 1 Volume 4 of Ancient West & East, No 1 Gocha Tsetskhladze Publisher BRILL, 2005 ISBN9004141766, 9789004141766 Length 256 pages
A summary of Myzafer Korkuti work can be found here [15]
A summary by Shaban Demiraj link [17] The Indo-European languages Routledge language family descriptions Authors Anna Giacalone Ramat, Paolo Ramat Editors Anna Giacalone Ramat, Paolo Ramat Edition illustrated Publisher Taylor & Francis, 1998 ISBN041506449X, 9780415064491 Length 526 pages
Cimochowski, W. "Prejardhja e gjuhës shqipe," BUShT 1958:2.37-53. Supports Illyrian kinship of Albanian. (see Hamp 1963)
Cimochowski, Waclaw. Des recherches sur la toponomastique de l'Albanie. LP VIII, 1960.(short version at Hamp 1963)
Encyclopedia of Indo-European culture By J. P. Mallory, Douglas Q. Adams Edition: illustrated Published by Taylor & Francis, 1997 ISBN1884964982, 9781884964985 link here [18]
Eric P. Hamp The position of Albanian in Ancient Indo-European Dialects Publisher University of California Press link here [19]
Shaban Demiraj Gjuhesi ballkanike here the link [20]
Victor A. Friedman (vfriedm@midway.uchicago.edu) Albanian Grammar Victor A. Friedman A version of this grammar was published in
Studies on Albanian and Other Balkan Language by Victor A. Friedman Peja: Dukagjini. 2004.the link here [21]
FA
GA
1991 Albanian parliamentary election
2001 Albanian parliamentary election
_Butrint.jpg){kind=link}