Hi! The article I made has (booking agent) added to the name. I did not add that, it is wrong. I wanted to change that to (producer or talent producer), but have no idea how to do it. Christopher McDonald (booking agent) I would appreciate your help a lot. It was added by somebody else. Booking agent is a completely different thing from talent booker. J2009j (talk) 02:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for drafts, not completed articles, but see Help:Moving a page for how to rename a page. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 02:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@J2009j: Your comment brought my attention to the article. It seems his only claim to notability is winning an Emmy, which is not a problem in itself. In the article, however, it claims he "won a daytime Emmy as a Talent Producer and Talent Booker for the "The Kelly Clarkson Show" in 2024", which I wasn't sure was even possible. And sure enough, the citation attached is not only for the 2022 Emmys, but is also for the actor Christopher McDonald, a completely different person, for his role in Hacks. Unless you have some reasonable explanation for this, I will be nominating it for deletion. Also, you seem to have some sort of connection with the subject that you have not disclosed, because his picture has been uploaded as "Your own work" which implies you know him personally. C F A 💬 02:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To the point- won a daytime Emmy as a Talent Producer for the "The Kelly Clarkson Show"- that is possible. I mentioned it is an Emmy in 2024. You added a different year. You can open page 9 https://theemmys.tv/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Daytime-Noms-w-Credits-ao-5-3.pdf It is from 2024. Chris McDonald- talent producer.

Also, he and the actor with the same name - are not the same person. This Christopher McDonald will act in - Superman 2025.

I also disagree- "his only claim to notability is winning an Emmy". He is a talent producer of a multiple famous shows.

I also added for the picture a comment that is is my own work, and that I work in entertainment, and I have pictures of many people I take for events. I was in audience at one of the show episodes, with 100 other people. It is available to everyone. J2009j (talk) 03:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@J2009j: Being a talent producer for multiple shows does astonishingly very little to help for notability, and in fact may be an active hindrance. "Backstage" personnel are far less likely to receive any sort of press relative to the actors themselves. If the Emmy is all you have then writing any article of substance is virtually impossible. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 03:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't add anything. That document is the citation you cited to the claim that he won an Emmy as a talent producer in 2024. On page 31 it reads:

Hacks • The One, The Only • HBO/HBO Max • Universal Television in association with Paulilu, First Thought Productions, Fremulon Productions, 3 Arts Entertainment Christopher McDonald as Marty

This Christopher McDonald has never won an Emmy award. He is listed as a minor credit, as a "talent producer", on a show that won an Emmy. Being a "talent producer" on multiple shows does not show notability through any applicable guideline, so they must meet the general notability guideline instead. I see no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to prove that is the case. C F A 💬 03:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a minor credit. We had a long discussion somewhere about this. He is the talent producer of all 5 seasons of the Kelly Clarkson. Talent producer bringing all the guest to the show, all the celebrities is not exactly a "Backstage" personnel. I also disagree- "has never won an Emmy award". There are usually a few hundred people working on shows.

Only main figures are listed for awards and nominations. Plus, it is an actor for a major upcoming superhero film. I am personally a comic book fan in the past.

Page 9 https://theemmys.tv/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Daytime-Noms-w-Credits-ao-5-3.pdf If this is not in the article, I'll replace it. J2009j (talk) 03:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, you can say what you want, but he doesn't meet the general notability guidelines or WP:ANYBIO. He has not won an Emmy. He was a talent producer for an Emmy-awarded show. The other Chris McDonald, on the other hand, would be presumed notable because of his Emmy win as it was actually awarded to him. I assume the reviewer only accepted it because the article claims he won an Emmy award with an incorrect citation attached to it. C F A 💬 03:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@J2009j: Unless his name specifically is on the Emmy, he cannot be assumed to have won it. And yes, a talent producer is "backstage" personnel, no matter how important they are to the show's operation. (The phrase implies they do practically no work while out in front of the camera, and thus their work and efforts would ultimately not be commented on by reviewers barring egregious faults.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Leemhwiki12 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Justin Kenardy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, I have added in references to the Draft article as recommended by Wiki editors and would like to know if the page is now considered suitable for submission. Leemhwiki12 (talk) 04:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leemhwiki12: we don't provide pre-reviews here at the help desk, you will get a full assessment of your draft when you submit it for another review. If you have a more specific question, you're welcome to ask that, of course. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Leemhwiki12 (talk) 08:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• WikiLoreKeeper (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • How to attach a link to texts within a template? (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need some help to create a wiki entry WikiLoreKeeper (talk) 07:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiLoreKeeper: sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking. In any case, this help desk is for drafts undergoing the AfC review process. If you have general questions about how to edit Wikipedia, you can ask them at the Teahouse or Help desk. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Abhiramakella (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Human Kinetics (publisher) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need assistance on this article. Abhiramakella (talk) 10:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abhiramakella: can you be more specific; what assistance do you need? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can I write this article in a encyclopedia format? Abhiramakella (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abhiramakella: you need to find a few (3+) sources that meet the WP:GNG standard for notability, and summarise (in your own words, but without any additional commentary or embellishment) what they have said about this subject, citing each source against the information it has provided; see the WP:GOLDENRULE. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 72.92.37.34 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
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How do I improve this page? 72.92.37.34 (talk) 12:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't. This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a little bit harsh. @DoubleGrazing Even your questioning my relationship to the singer. Why is that? If you feel that you do not want us to write here. It's okay. Too direct and not considered further. I was planning to write more about other subjects but since this is how you communicate to other new writers. Then we will not continue. Thank you for your reply. IannaOPM (talk) 15:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has literally been rejected. It cannot be resubmitted. There's no point in writing anything more because there's nothing they can do to get it accepted. C F A 💬 15:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IannaOPM: what does your comment have to do with Draft:Altron? Are you saying you're its author? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IannaOPM: Even your questioning my relationship to the singer. Unless my eyes very much deceive me, the draft is about a video game developer/publisher (and one that was rejected due to failure to accept reviewers' criticisms). If you have any alternative accounts, I strongly encourage you to identify them here, because what you wrote is otherwise very likely to get you blocked. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• IannaOPM (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Cye Soriano (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, what else to we need to do to enhance or correct the wikipedia entry? IannaOPM (talk) 13:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IannaOPM: you need to show that the person is notable, either by the general WP:GNG or the special WP:MUSICBIO guideline.

You also need to support the information with reliable sources throughout.

And finally, you must write in a neutral and factual, non-promotional manner.

Who is "we" in your question?

And what is your relationship with this subject? (I've posted a query on your talk page, please read and respond to it.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Im just one of the fans. Writing for the artist. There are sources I have submitted. I appreciate your feedback. I will re-write then. Thank you. IannaOPM (talk) 14:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IannaOPM: you must be a really dedicated fan, given that 100% of your edits have to do with her, and you seem to follow her around taking photos.

And who is "we"? Your question was "what else to we need to do". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We means im one of the fans. Yes we followed her music. Anyways, if this is not going to continue. It's okay. we will not continue publishing it. IannaOPM (talk) 15:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IannaOPM: I will look at your sources. Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):

• The Business Mirror source needs to be done as an offline cite (using {{cite news}}); it is presently incomplete and missing article title, article byline, and page numbers.
• We can't use https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainment/showbiznews/news/111872/kelvin-miranda-hannah-precillas-faith-da-silva-other-kapuso-shine-at-5th-philippine-faces-of-success-2024/story (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (We're sceptical of sources with role/no bylines because they're frequently used to publish content that bypassed the editor's desk.)
• https://pinoynewschannel.com/2023/12/06/ice-is-coming-to-clowns/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. As a note, an article that says someone will appear at a future event cannot be used for claims they actually attended, as any number of things can cause someone to no-show (failed riders, injuries, committing pater familicide, etc.)
• We can't use https://www.pinoyaksyonnews.com/cye-soriano-receives-best-awards-2023-recognition-sets-sights-on-musical-legacy-in-2024/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
• We can't use https://www.pinoyaksyonnews.com/experience-cye-sorianos-angelic-voice-at-flashback-musical-concert-and-5th-ph-faces-of-success-2024/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?

None of your sources are any good. For an article on a living person this is completely unacceptable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bin Khaleel Bath & Kitchen Suites (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
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why my article got declined? Bin Khaleel Bath & Kitchen Suites (talk) 14:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bin Khaleel Bath & Kitchen Suites: because it's pure advertising, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. And you can expect to be blocked imminently. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Manghrat123 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Abdul Mazid Photo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Good afternoon to whomever it may concern. I submitted my draft and I made sure to include the appropriate amount of references and speak from an unbiased historical point of view, what is the issue? Manghrat123 (talk) 15:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Manghrat123: please don't ask the same question in several places, I've just replied to this on my talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

k, thanks. Manghrat123 (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• OldPlanetMedia (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Beat Cops (TV pilot) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Latin Americans&lang=en&q=Draft:Beat_Cops_(TV_pilot)

Greetings, I'd like to see if there's anything else I can do to get this Beat Cops pilot entry published. I understand that there's not a ton of in-depth sources available online but it was a project produced for a major network (FOX) and features several well-known actors that were just starting out back in the early 2000s (Benjamin, Seder, Mandvi).

I've added a dozen citations and put a good amount of effort into ensuring the legitimacy and thouroughness of the article. I believe that this will help the entry serve as the main online hub for any future web searches regarding Beat Cops.

Thanks for your time, have a great day! OldPlanetMedia (talk) 16:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We accept offline sources, if properly cited. (For periodicals, use {{cite news}} or {{cite magazine}} and provide the name of the outlet, the edition (i.e. 1 Jan 1923), the article name, the article byline, and the pages the article is on.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@OldPlanetMedia: Just a heads up: You're going to get blocked unless you change your username because it represents a company and you are editing promotionally. You have not disclosed your presumably financial relationship with this company either, which is a violation of Wikimedia's terms of use. C F A 💬 16:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And indeed they have been blocked; but their name doesn't show as struck through for me, because their rename request went through about an hour later. --ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mlondon101 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
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This review was denied due to references not being reliable and the subject not being suitable for Wikipedia. He is a magician who has been featured on America's Got Talent season seven, which is even linked to that Wikipedia page where he is listed. He's performed on Penn & Teller and the YouTube video link is included. He's been on other talk shows, which I tried to include before, but were denied, since they aren't his videos. I see other living person biographies using LinkedIn as references for education/work. He gives speeches to troubled youth, drawing inspiration from his youth. His father is a famous Jazz musician, which is linked to another Wikipedia page. What is the problem with current references? I've seen the people who have been included in Category:Living people, and don't buy it that he is not suitable for a Wikipedia page compared to what I see that has already been accepted, with similar references. Malcolm Puckering has a lot of reference sources, many of which are video of him on famous shows, which should count a reliable source, since he's right there performing in front of your very eyes. I'm going to need some definitive reasons for why the page and references aren't acceptable. ? Mlondon101 (talk) 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlondon101: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"), and note that EVERYTHING that a reasonable person could challenge MUST be sourced:

• https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2005/01/02/to-become-a-magician-it-helps-to-be-obsessed/ is okay.
• We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4kB8yqCKlM (unknown provenance). We can only use YouTube as a source if (1) the video is produced by an outlet we would consider to have editorial oversight (such as The Grauniad) and (2) the video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel. The subject's own channel - or anything else they control - is also by default useless for notability and for biographical claims.
• We can't use LinkedIn (connexion to subject/no editorial oversight). LinkedIn as a source would only be usable for content no reasonable person could challenge (primarily identity-related claims).
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/music/2022/09/30/mal-waldron-jazz-piano-grenoble/ is a non-sequitur.

Only one of your sources is any good - fatal for any subject but actively problematic for articles on living persons where the sourcing requirements are much stricter. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlondon101: I can't comment on the first source, because it's not available in my region, but let's give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it's okay. The second source is primary, as is the third, and the fourth one doesn't even mention Puckering. We require 3+ source meeting the WP:GNG standard to establish notability.

Not to mention that articles on living people need to be comprehensively supported by inline citations reliable published sources, whereas your draft is almost entirely unsupported. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]