• Fitnessscoach (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Manjeet Rani (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have revised and resubmitted the draft with proper inline citations and working reliable sources. All issues raised earlier (missing sources, formatting) are now resolved. Sources include the SAI PDF, YAS Olympic clearance, Scroll, The Hindu, HT, TOI, and Amar Ujala. Kindly request a re-review. Thank you!

Fitnessscoach (talk) 06:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fitnessscoach: no, you have not resubmitted it. You had manually edited the submission templates, which resulted in the template not rendering correctly, and also removed my earlier decline and comment. Please don't do that. If you wish to resubmit your draft, just click on the blue 'resubmit' button. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Fitnessscoach (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Manjeet Rani (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I have rewritten and resubmitted Draft:Manjeet Rani using fully inline citations and verified sources. Previous reviewer concerns about referencing and reliability have been addressed. Sources include the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports (YAS) Olympic clearance list, SAI confirmation PDF, Scroll, The Hindu, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Amar Ujala, and New Indian Express. Kindly request a fresh review. Thank you!

Fitnessscoach (talk) 07:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fitnessscoach: you've resubmitted the draft, no need to announce it; it will be reviewed again when a reviewer gets around to it.

And please don't start duplicate threads on the same subject. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Androulaki (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Nasr Mahrous (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Should I remove the logos of the company and the TV channel from Nasr Mahrous' bio? I need to know what must be removed generally from the article in order to have it accepted. Androulaki (talk) 07:22, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Androulaki: I don't know what else should be removed, but the logos definitely. Firstly, you've uploaded them as your own work – you're saying you've personally created them and/or own the IP rights in them? Really? Or could it be that they belong to the respective organisations, and you've just taken them from the internet somewhere? If so, you should not have uploaded them as your own work, and must now go to Commons and request them to be deleted. I will go and remove from this draft right now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes actually some of these photos I have taken myself, as I work closely with Nasr Mahrous. but if you think it is wiser to remove all logos and images, then I do not mind removing them. I will do so right away. Androulaki (talk) 07:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Androulaki: I'm talking about the logos, which your question was about. Do you own the copyright in the Free TV and FreeMusic Art Production logos? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, yes, actually Nasr Mahrous owns them, and me, being his wife, I own them just as much. but do you think I should have said that someone else owns them? in all cases they have been removed. Androulaki (talk) 08:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Androulaki.

If you are his wife, then you have a conflict of interest in editing about him. This does not mean that you are forbidden from creating the draft, but it does put some restrictions on you. Please read that link carefully. ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Androulaki: if you really do own the IP jointly with your husband (as opposed to eg. it being owned by a company in which you both are shareholders, which is a different thing), then you are not the sole owner, you are a part-owner. The thing is, when you upload something to our servers as your own work, you are releasing it from copyright for anyone to do whatever they want with, and you are also confirming that you have the right to effect such release. If you're a part-owner of the IP, you've just given away also the other part-owner's (or owners') property. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already spoke to the general manager to issue for me an official permission to use the logos and other images.. meanwhile, do you think I can try to resubmit the draft? will it be accepted? Androulaki (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. I would just remove all images and deal with that stuff later; images are an enhancement, not a requirement.

That said, the GM cannot just release permission to you- he would need to give up any rights to the logo so it can be used by anyone for any purpose with attribution; an extremely unwise thing to do with a company logo. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Androulaki: we don't do pre-reviews here at the help desk, but based on a superficial scan, I can tell you already that this draft would be declined at least for insufficient referencing, if nothing else. Articles on living people have particularly strict referencing requirements, with pretty much every statement needing to be clearly supported by an inline citation to a reliable published source. This draft has numerous paragraphs, and even complete sections, without a single citation. I get that you know the subject well, and I have no reason to question anything you've written, but that isn't the point: it's not enough that the information is correct, it must be verifiably correct (meaning, corroborated by a reliable source which is cited next to it). In that sense, you shouldn't even be writing what you know about your husband, you should only be summarising what reliable sources have previously published about him. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I thank you so much for clarifying for me all these information...I also thank you so much for taking the time to guide me on how to do it right... Now I get it better.. I actually am working on it right now, removing all unnecessary details, and all promotional style. I'm keeping only basic information and trying to get info as written in sources. Ok I must admit at first, I thought a Wikipedia article is a kind of an actual biography, now I know it is used as a source of information collected from other actual external sources. question is can I put Arabic references and translated parts of them into English? Androulaki (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Androulaki. As regards the images, you, yourself, have said, in precisely these words, "I, the copyright holder of this work, publish it under.." a license which permits anybody in the world to copy, use, and alter the images, as long as they attribute them properly. They do not need to ask for permission to use, copy, or alter them, and they may use them for any purpose, commercial or not. That is the effect of the binding legal statement which you have already made - or it would be if, in fact, you did hold the copyright.

I have nominated all three images for deletion. ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Ashleyashville (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Matthew Lani (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My draft article on Matthew Lani was declined for focusing mainly on one event his arrest. I understand the concern, but this case received wide national and international coverage, sparked public debate on digital identity fraud and health misinformation, and has led to an ongoing civil lawsuit that continues to make headlines.

Given this broader context and the legal/social precedent it’s setting, is there a way to frame the article to better meet notability guidelines? Would focusing on the case’s public impact and ongoing relevance help?

Any suggestions or examples of similar accepted biographies would be greatly appreciated. Ashleyashville (talk) 10:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If his arrest is the main claim to notability, you may want to refocus the draft to be about his arrest rather than him personally. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Indiravallam (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • User:Indiravallam/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Should I know what else you want me to delete, edit or add? Indiravallam (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Indiravallam.

Please evaluate each of your sources against all three of the criteria in WP:42. Only sources that meet all three criteria can contribute to establishing the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and unless you have several compliant sources, there can be no article. ColinFine (talk) 11:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Bhuwan C Joshi (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Prof. Durgesh Pant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why was my article declined? Bhuwan C Joshi (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhuwan C Joshi You need the "Draft:" portion of the title when linking to your draft, I fixed this for you.

The reviewer left you a reason at the top of your draft. Do you have a more specific question about it? I'm also wondering if you have a connection to the professor. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)

reliable

secondary

independent of the subject.

(So, these are the reasons I received. Though valuable, I did not exactly understand what are the edits that I shall be making. Newspaper articles and government websites are the best sources that I could find for referencing. I was trying to build a short biography for a person whose work I have been reading and listening about in the recent past. State Chief Minister and other government officials have been mentioning his work in their speeches lately and I wanted to be the first to build his Wikipedia page. Also, this happens to be my first article on Wikipedia as well.

He is slowly emerging as a state hero in terms of popularizing Science and Technology, institution building for last-mile accessibility, as well as bringing dynamism in rather bureaucratic system through his innovative approaches. I am also a person who grew up in Delhi a major urban-centre in India because my family had to migrate in search of better educational and economic opportunities when I was a kid. He has been an inspiration in recent years for me to come back and water my roots in Himalayas by following his footprints. No, i do not have a connection with Prof. Durgesh Pant, other than he also hails from the same district Almora, where I was born and later migrated from.

I am looking forward to more detailed suggestions as to how I shall be building this biography and what shall be my approach towards data gathering. Thanks and Regards) Bhuwan C Joshi (talk) 13:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Themaroni (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Digital Shield (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! I have rewritten the draft to remove all promotional content and ensure a neutral tone, following Wikipedia's guidelines. The article is now based on two reliable, independent sources (CryptoNews and MarketersMedia). Could someone please review the draft and advise if it now meets the notability and neutrality requirements for acceptance? Thank you! Themaroni (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was rejected, typically meaning that it will not be considered further. If you have now fundamentally changed the draft to address the concerns from reviewers, the first step is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly. That said, if you have sources, you have not provided them(see Referencing for beginners. More fundamentally, Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company, its offerings, and what it sees as its own history- a Wikipedia article about a company summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it is a notable company as Wikipedia defines one.

I would suggest that you read WP:BOSS, and have your superiors or those that hired you at Digital Shield read it, too. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Themaroni: the first three sources are explicit press releases, the fourth is probably also, and is in any case routine business reporting, and the last source returns a 'page not found'. None of these contributes anything towards notability per WP:NCORP. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Uchfundz (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • User:Uchfundz/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need Asistance on submitting my article to be accepted Uchfundz (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your sandbox has been deleted as being used as a webhost- Wikipedia does not merely host information; it summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our criteria for notability, like a notable person. I would suggest using the Article Wizard instead, if you have independent sources you can summarize.

Note that Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please see the autobiography policy- you need to limit yourself to what others say about you. Writing about yourself, while not forbidden, is highly discouraged because people have great difficulty doing that.

There are also good reasons to not want an article about yourself. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• 2400:AC40:62C:D24:88CC:7F3:F010:8700 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Saya Victor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Could anyone help me write the wikipage please? 2400:AC40:62C:D24:88CC:7F3:F010:8700 (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are the editor of the draft, remember to log in when posting. We don't really get into co-editing here at the help desk. If you have specific questions, we can help with that.

You disclosed a COI on the draft, I'd suggest doing so on your user page as well. What is the general nature of your conflict? 331dot (talk) 15:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• 96.21.110.80 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Franck Dervieux (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, the submission was rejected with the following reason. "submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources". However the article quotes 5 different source from 4 established Québec newspapers, some of which are archived (at Bibliothèque et Archives Nationales du Québec), and additional other Internet sources. Granted the articles are in french, however that should not disqualify them as "reliable source". Was teh article rejected because of language barrier from the reviewer?

Thanks 96.21.110.80 (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are the creator of the draft, remember to log in when posting. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not because of the language: sources in other languages are acceptable if there are not better sources in English.

I haven't looked closely, but I suspect that the problem is not that the sources are not reliable sources, but that they are not independent - many of them are published, or based on the words of, Dervieux or his associates.

Sources used to establish notability shoule be reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject: see WP:42.

Incidentally, the draft has not been rejected (which would mean that there was no chance of it being accepted): it has been declined, which means that you may improve the sourcing and submit it again. ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• גילעד ולדמן (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Moshe Fogel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I would like to publish the page Moshe Fogel. There are no notes on this page, but the author is a relative of Moshe, so all the information has been reviewed and approved by him. How can I do this? Thanks גילעד ולדמן (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @גילעד ולדמן.

Unfortunately, like many inexperienced editors, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Nothing that his relative says is of any value, unless it is verified by a reliable published source. Nothing.

Your task is first to find several places where people who have no connection whatever with Fogel have chosen to publish material about him in reliable publications. See WP:42 for more information.

If you can find several such sources, then you may write your draft as a summary of what those sources say, citing them as you go - see WP:REFB. If you cannot find these, then you will not be able to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and your draft will not be accepted. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• 2001:569:746B:1600:388C:24C6:D6A8:365B (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Milbert (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Draft:Milbert (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

My idea was rejected by Qucne 2001:569:746B:1600:388C:24C6:D6A8:365B (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Did you have a question? qcne (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• DeepFriedUranium (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Tucson Scorch (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What am I supposed to do if I can't find sources? Hello, I created a draft for a sports team called the Tucson Scorch. They never played a single game. So, I wrote an article about them, but it keeps getting rejected because it doesn't have enough sources. But there are so few sources about the team. What do I do? DeepFriedUranium (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DeepFriedUranium I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended.

The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.

The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability, like a notable organization. If you have no such sources, the topic would not merit an article at this time. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Zeeraphim (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Z (Musician) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I submitted the wikipedia page, with a variety of reliable sources for the artist Z. She has over 650,000 subscribers on youtube. What else should I add to get it approved? Zeeraphim (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your only sources are bandcamp and YouTube, neither are reliable or independent. Theroadislong (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if she has 65 subscribers or 6.5 billion. Subscriber numbers do not indicate notability; see WP:BAND. 331dot (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Blitzite2 (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Amir Talai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Draft:Amir Talai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What do I need to add to make this public? Blitzite2 (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's "public" in that anyone who knows where to find it can find it, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia. You have not shown that he meets WP:NACTOR. One reviewer even thinks the draft may be a hoax. 331dot (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Tracey Capobianco (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Johnny Angel Wendell (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can someone please help me on how to add foot notes and links? Please. I am kinda stupid with figuring it out. This was live back in 2012 but not sure why it changed. Thank you kindly Tracey Capobianco (talk) 23:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:REFB for help, the draft currently fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 06:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Tracey Capobianco. You were told what happened to the article and why two days ago (including a link to the deletion discussion). That's why "it changed". ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikimcali (talk · contribs) ^(TB)
  • Draft:Eugene Laney Jr. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The draft was rejected citing that it needed footnotes. Are the linked references not the footnotes? Wikimcali (talk) 23:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimcali You have correctly added references, the problem is that the references are mostly not reliable sources and mostly do not discuss Laney, so you have not shown that Laney meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable person. The draft should be based on sources that directly discuss Laney and meet all the criteria in WP:42. The purpose of a reference is to verify that the information in the article is accurate; the references to other Wikipedia articles do not verify anything about Laney but can be replaced with wikilinks.

A previous reviewer asked you to review WP:Conflict of interest; do you have a connection to Laney? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]