Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review/Archive June 2007

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This page is mainly for reviewing the accuracy of dinosaur life restorations (usually by the artists themselves, but anyone who wants an image scrutinized is welcome to post it for review). Any other image, such as size comparisons or photos of skeletal mounts, can also be posted here to review their accuracy.

If you want to submit dinosaur images for accuracy review, place them here as well as links to what you used as references. If you want to participate as reviewer, you can put the page on your watchlist. New images of any type can also be requested by including "Request:" in the section title; if submitted, such an image will thereafter be reviewed here. Sections are archived automatically after some time when a discussion stalls, to encourage speedy responses from both artists and reviewers. It is allowed to revive sections if they have been archived before being resolved, unlike regular talk page archives.

Modifications of previously uploaded amateur restorations to correct anatomical inaccuracies is encouraged (including by others than the original artists), but modifications of historical restorations are discouraged, as these should be used to show historical ideas. Modifications to restorations published in peer-reviewed journals should be uploaded as separate files, so that both versions are available.

Images that have been deemed inaccurate should be tagged with the Wikimedia Commons template "Inaccurate paleoart"[5] (which automatically adds the "Inaccurate paleoart" category[6]), so they can be prevented from being used and easily located for correction. User created images are not considered original research, per WP:OI and WP:PERTINENCE[a], but it is appreciated if sources used are listed in file descriptions (this is often requested during WP:Featured Article reviews).

For reviews of non-dinosaur paleoart, see WikiProject Palaeontology's paleoart review page:


Criteria sufficient for using an image:

  • If an image is included for historical value, the image caption should explain that it is an outdated reconstruction. Images of historical interest should not be used in the taxobox or paleobox, but preferably in a section of the text discussing the history of a taxon.

Criteria for removing an image:

  • Images should not speculate unnecessarily beyond what has been indicated by reliable sources. Therefore, depicting overly speculative physical features, behaviors, and pathologies should be avoided, to prevent WP:OR issues. Restorations that show serious pathologies known from fossil evidence are welcome, but should not be used as the main representation of a given taxon. These should instead show healthy, typical individuals, and not focus on unknown areas of their anatomy. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia rather than an art gallery, it is not the place for artistic experimentation, and we cannot include every piece of available artwork.
  • Image differs appreciably from known skeletal elements.
    • Example: A Deinonychus reconstructed with four fingers.
  • Image differs appreciably from implied skeletal elements (via phylogenetic bracketing).
    • Example: An oviraptorid known only from postcranial elements reconstructed with teeth, a feature made highly improbable by its phylogenetic position.
  • Image differs appreciably from known non-skeletal elements.
    • Example: An image of Microraptor lacking primary feathers.
  • Image differs appreciably from implied non-skeletal elements.
    • Example: A Nomingia depicted without feathers, since a skeletal feature (the pygostyle) and phylogenetic bracketing (more advanced than Caudipteryx) imply that it was feathered.
    • Example: A Ceratosaurus depicted with advanced feathers, since a skeletal feature (osteoderms) and its proximity to Carnotaurus (extensive scale impressions) imply that it lacked advanced feathers.
    • The discovery of Kulindadromeus and integument in exceptionally preserved heterodontosaurids provides evidence for some form of filamentous integument being the plesiomorphic condition in Ornithischia. As loss of filamentous integument is well known in many dinosaur clades, skin impressions and thermodynamic considerations should be given priority over phylogenetic bracketing.
  • Image pose differs appreciably from known range of motion.
    • Example: Theropod dinosaurs reconstructed with overly flexed tails or pronated "bunny-style" hands.
    • Exception: If the range of motion is debated in the scientific literature, as is the case with sauropod neck position.
  • Image differs appreciably from known size estimates.
    • Example: An image of an adult Torvosaurus which shows it being as large as an adult Apatosaurus.
    • Exception: If the size of the animal is contested or the individual in question is a gigantism-inflicted individual.
  • Image differs appreciably from known physiological constraints.
    • Example: An image of a dinosaur urinating, giving birth to live young, or making vocal sounds with its jaw, all made unlikely by phylogenetic position and physical constraints (archosaurs less basal then songbirds likely could not vocalize too much, if at all).
  • Image seems heavily inspired by another piece of media or directly copied from it.
    • Example: A image of Tyrannosaurus or Velociraptor depicting them as they appear in Jurassic Park being used in the articles on the genera, or an illustration of Deinonychus being a direct trace of another illustration of the same genus.
  • Image depicts a scene which is anachronistic or contradicts known geographic range.
    • Example: Megalosaurus bucklandii chasing an Nanosaurus agilis, two animals which did not live together.
    • Example: Dinosaurs from the Triassic or Jurassic depicted walking on grass, which did not exist at that time.
    • Exception: Photographs of life-sized models taken in parks. It should be made clear in the caption that these are models.

Approved images: Images that have been approved by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs team can now be found at Category:Approved dinosaur images. Images that have been deemed inaccurate should be placed in the Wikimedia Commons category "Inaccurate dinosaur restorations"[7], so they can be easily located for correction.


  1. ^ Per following policy discussions:[1][2][3][4]

science teacher(aka Tarbosaurus)

Tarbosaurus

This is a bit iffy there aren't many tarbosaurus skeletal drawings. Tarbosaurus aka science teacher is a fat and self absorbed based of Mortimers measurements for the holotype (the largest one known?) A ~1.35m skull and a ~1.2m femur. The wiki article says 10m, Mortimers site says 12.4m [[8]], both of which i find hard to make if these measurements are correct. There are some mounts on the internet, although many seem to differ proportionally (compare this [[9]] to this [[10]]. the latter seems to have a smaller head proportionally. Sadly I don’t think GSP will come to the rescue. (Oh and the human won’t be on some personal vendetta in the final version). Steveoc 86 21:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. I think it's quite difficult to compare the image in your fist link with the one on the second because of the perspective. This skeletal seems fine except for the pronated hands. There are some nice cast pictures here as well (it gives a length of 9.5 m though). Arthur Weasley 22:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, i've seen that skeletal drawing before i wasn't sure how trustworthy it is. I had also seen the over link before but i didn't see the assembly page, there's some good stuff there. Interestingly there's a skull shown witch is the holotypes skull. Its says 1.30m. Steveoc 86 10:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how much it will help the drawing much since it's a profile shot but I can email you a paper describing the skull. Sheep81 07:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
hay, thanks for your help, but the skull i don't think is a problem its the rest of the bodies proportions. I based the skull of photos of the holotype skull and a paper comparing tyranno's skull to tarbo's. Does this paper show any postcranial skeleton? This is the latest version but i feel the body is too large in relation to the skull..[11]
Mmm... no, sorry, no postcrania in the paper. I think this looks good although I'm not certain of the skull proportions relative to the body. According to this, the skull of a ~10m adult would have been ~1.35m. Sheep81 06:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, is the Tarbosaurus asleep or did you just catch him blinking? :) Sheep81
Thanks, recently when ever i try an connect to Mortimers site it says is expired. Also is that page an old version of his site, Last i checked it said 12.4m for the holotype with a 1.35m skull? I draw his eye more open wake him up. Do you think the pose is boring, everyone draws dinosaurs running, (which looks better i agree). I posted this on dinoforum weeks ago to see if anyone there could help, I got one reply, he didn't even mention the drawing.:)Steveoc 86 08:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh i just jot the asleep comment, the eye is actually open, its just lost due to the low resulution, theres also a wrinkle under the eye making it look closed. :) Steveoc 86 17:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
i want to try and get this image done soon, I tryed scaling the rest of the body to to be 10m (the earlier version is about 11m) and this is what i got [12], i think it looks wrong, to me, the 1.35m skull looks to large for a 10m animal, but i dont want to contradict the artical. Steveoc 86 22:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it looks okay, these guys did have crazy large heads after all. But I don't actually know to be honest. Mortimer's site certainly isn't primary literature, it could be wrong. Sheep81 02:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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